Balance topics summary

[last update: 16.05.2011]

This is a list of the major balance topics.
Before you start a new topic please make sure the issue isn't already being discussed. And please name topics like this:

[Version of Eastern Front] "Issue to discuss"

If you want your topic being added to the list, just reply and I'll add it.

CoH:EF Stats thread 1.03 (partially) WIP[Unofficial]
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[[IP address redacted]]:


Infantry

Conscripts
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Soviet Abilities

IL-2
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Sniperteam Artillery Strike
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General Suggestions

Various
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Red Army & CW combination
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[1.2] - [[IP address redacted]]:

Infantry suggestions

Sharpshooter team
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PTRD Tankhunters
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Vehicle suggestions

ISU-152
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Katyusha
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Zis-2 AT Gun
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T-34/85
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Ability suggestions

IL-2 Sturmovik
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Building suggestions
Upgrade suggestions
Tweaks, general suggestions

Defensive Game
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Non Soviet abilities / units
AI issues
Map balance


Re-balancing

General
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Wehrmacht
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Brits
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Panzer Elite
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Americans
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Infantry suggestions

Infantry
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Conscripts
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Strelky
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Mortars
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Sniper Team
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Tankhunters
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Vehicle suggestions

Lend/Lease Sherman
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AT guns
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Building suggestions

Outpost
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Ability suggestions

Command Squad -> artillery barrage
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"God of War" ability
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Upgrade suggestions

Tweaks, general suggestions

Limit on units
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Various Suggestions
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Non Soviet abilities / units

Kangaroo
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AI issues

Katyusha spamming
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Map balance


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Infantry suggestions

Mortars
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Sharpshooter Team
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Command Squad
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Strelky
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Conscripts
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Ingenery
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Tankbusters
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Vehicle suggestions

Katyushas
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T34
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T90
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SU 85/100
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IS-2
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Tanks
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Building suggestions

MG Dugout
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Firebases
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Ability suggestions

IL-2
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"Recover wrecks" ability
the problem doesn't exist anymore since the ability is no longer part of the doctrine

"God of War" ability
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Upgrade suggestions

Upgrades
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Tweaks, general suggestions

Tier system suggestions
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General tweaks
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Ammo management
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Strategy suggestions / problems

Soviet rushing/spamming
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Non Soviet abilities / units

German "Force retreat" / "Propaganda War" abilities
according to dragon93 the problem is solved

PE Fallschirmjäger vs. Soviets
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Limits to non soviet call-ins
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AI issues

AI resource "cheats"
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Map balance

Prokhorovka (6)
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Last edited May 16, 2011 at 11:09 AM by Ghost

this is stick worthey

Versedhorison wrote:
this is stick worthey

+1

Nice Work

We sould ketp this toic in the top of the page, so here it goes befor it goes to pag 2 and none reads it.

Thanks for this, will sticky.

Dragon93 wrote:
Update

The Wehrmacht Terror Propaganda doctrine ability is now working properly against the Russians - forcing a retreat.[...]

one less problem

can we have a source for this? just for comformation.

Dragon93 is the Lead Programmer. What better a source?

Its not entirely working properly, AI Soviet can retreat as normal even though there is no option to retreat for Human Soviet players.

Where is the balance? Something I do not see!  ???

playback:
http://depositfiles.com/files/8xigrig4j

well, maybe you can start by telling us, which player you were and what your problem is. i watched the replay and i just don't get it  ::)

no offense, but:
soviet used lots of arty and mortar while wehr players looked a bit stubborn and noobish trying to defend with bunkers being bombed without even trying to rush the mortars with infantry... and then in the middle of the game the replay ends...

All expensive. Infantry, engineers are weak. Still don't have guns, mortars, etc.
It became better, but on former there is no capture of guns and mortars. >:(
The infantry in comparison with the first version became weak.
Manual machine guns aren't effective. All is expensive.
Models of guardsmen the bad.

playback
http://depositfiles.com/files/bi767vfuh

In the first version EF of an arrow cost cheaper and were more effective.
Light tanks (T-70, T-90) must be cheaper or more affordable.
Improvements to produce (Headquarters).
RD Tank Hunter-the ability of a horse with horseshoes medium tank.
"It is good against light vehicles and the sides and rear of medium tanks" :)

Ghost wrote:
well, maybe you can start by telling us, which player you were and what your problem is. i watched the replay and i just don't get it  ::)

no offense, but:
soviet used lots of arty and mortar while wehr players looked a bit stubborn and noobish trying to defend with bunkers being bombed without even trying to rush the mortars with infantry... and then in the middle of the game the replay ends...

The impact OF THE ML-20 which bombed and impossible Firebase to capture. :)

Last edited September 3, 2010 at 5:39 PM by Chasovnikov

the unit costs were increased for balance reasons.

soviet units cannot capture heavy weapons because of a bug that can only be solved by relic not the EF team.

models have nothing to do with balance, post something like that in here:
http://easternfront.org/forums/index.php?board=64.0

QuoteIn the first version EF of an arrow cost cheaper and were more effective.[...]RD Tank Hunter-the ability of a horse with horseshoes medium tank. (make the possibility of a horse with horseshoes Medium Tank).

??? ??? ???

i think we have a language problem here  ;D maybe write it in your own language and then we will find someone who can translate.

No one plays.

Я говорил, что надо дать возможность бронебойщикам (RD Tank Hunter) подбивать средние танки.

Пока вы наконец не сделаете захват пушек, минометов и т.д. - не о каком балансе речи быть не может. Тем более что на первых порах отрядам не хватает станкового пулемета (DS-39 machine gun).
Альтернативой может быть  ba
http://www.battlefield.ru/content/view/22/lang,en/
http://bronetehnika.narod.ru/ba3/ba3.html

http://forum.bestway.com.ua/showthread.php?t=3995

http://operation-barbarossa.narod.ru/bronevik/index.htm

Last edited September 3, 2010 at 6:27 PM by Chasovnikov

He said that Tank Hunter should be able to tamp medium tanks, we need capturing of heavy weapons for the real balance, and we need ДС-39 machine gun at early game (or БА-3).

Chasovnikov wrote:
... Tank Hunter should be able to tamp medium tanks, we need capturing of heavy weapons for the real balance, and we need ДС-39 machine gun at early game (or БА-3).

Tank Hunters serves well while you deploy soviet armor. IMO they're fine without MG, also seems that you don't understand that the recrew bug is out of Dev hands.

Breakthrough Strategy



Instead of M4 Sherman - KW-85
http://bronetehnika.narod.ru/kv85/kv85.html

or KW-1

http://www.battlefield.ru/en/tank-development/28-heavy-tanks/46-kv1.html
http://easyget.narod.ru/tank/kv_1.html

@Chasovnikov :

post reward unit suggestions in here:
http://easternfront.org/forums/index.php?topic=3161.120

or other red army suggestions in here:
http://easternfront.org/forums/index.php?board=64.0

this thread is meant as a balanace summary...

@Chasovnikov

I suggest to go on those threads to post your respective units or make a new thread if don't belong there.

This thread isn't for discussion, any further message of that type will be deleted.

Help the most epic balance issue has rised again a simple Volks squad can pick my Shock guard squad off 1 by 1. I saw my SGuards firing DP and SVT rapidly at those Volks but it seem that none was hit ( their HP bar still remain unchange when being fired) and they magically took down my Guards hit after another in front of my shocking eyes  :o

Mr.Q wrote:
Help the most epic balance issue has rised again a simple Volks squad can pick my Shock guard squad off 1 by 1. I saw my SGuards firing DP and SVT rapidly at those Volks but it seem that none was hit ( their HP bar still remain unchange when being fired) and they magically took down my Guards hit after another in front of my shocking eyes  :o

Omg

you didn´t even follow the simple rules of posting.

1.: providing replay
2.: more exact: Where the volks or the Guards vetted? Were they fighting 1 on 1? In which cover did the Guards stand?
3.: Did the volks have MP40 upgrade and were in close range vs. the Guards?
4.: Are you sure?

EDIT: just noticed you did post it in the wrong thread aswell

Last edited August 27, 2011 at 7:44 PM by Killar

Killar wrote:

Mr.Q wrote:
Help the most epic balance issue has rised again a simple Volks squad can pick my Shock guard squad off 1 by 1. I saw my SGuards firing DP and SVT rapidly at those Volks but it seem that none was hit ( their HP bar still remain unchange when being fired) and they magically took down my Guards hit after another in front of my shocking eyes  :o

Omg

you didn´t even follow the simple rules of posting.

1.: providing replay
2.: more exact: Where the volks or the Guards vetted? Were they fighting 1 on 1? In which cover did the Guards stand?
3.: Did the volks have MP40 upgrade and were in close range vs. the Guards?
4.: Are you sure?

EDIT: just noticed you did post it in the wrong thread aswell

He also did not mention if one of the units were moving.

Worst case scenario^^:

Guards were running around in the middle of the road while vet 3 volks had MP40 and were behind sanbags with assault nade :o Mr.Q blinked and they were kiilled :P

Last edited August 28, 2011 at 8:47 PM by Fishhunterx

i was hoping that some one fix the Americans the m4105 sould shot the same distisn as the prisit.  forgive me on my spelling i am not good at it...and i was thinking tha the m8 sp howitzer 75mm should be in the game an the pack 75+++m36 jackson and the m24 chaffce and the m22 locust for the airbounei have a lot more that i would add but this is anouth for now... if you can!!! thanks

no changing vcoh units sry

what is vcoh??..plz

james54 wrote:
what is vcoh??..plz

it's fresh, unmodded version of Company of Heroes that Relic made. Also called 'vanilla' COH, so vCoH ;)

james54 wrote:
what is vcoh??..plz

The original game that not have soviets on it :).

What he meant is, we don't make changes on CoH units, unless are bugged and we can fix them.