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IL-2 Sturmovik call in airstrikes. 1.23

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#44762

IL-2 Sturmovik call in airstrikes. 1.23

I'm curious about this ability. Mainly because it's one of the very few Soviet abilities to cost munitions per use. 200 As it stands.

I find it very effective against armour but i do wonder, are the German anti-aircraft defences working against it properly?
I found in one map i built one Flak 88 and it worked wonders.


But the main reason i made this topic is to hear you guys and your experiences with it.
#44771

Re: IL-2 Sturmovik call in airstrikes. 1.23

It's still a ridiculously good ability but nowhere near as OP as it once was.
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#44906

Re: IL-2 Sturmovik call in airstrikes. 1.23

Its a brilliant ability, can be a real game changer if used correctly.

The only other Soviet ability that's similar is god of war and to be honest i think that needs a serious overhaul. 
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#44909

Re: IL-2 Sturmovik call in airstrikes. 1.23

Yes, once I was attacked by 5 panthers and a tiger, I used that ability and only 2 panthers and half a tiger survived. Very useful ability.
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#45230

Re: IL-2 Sturmovik call in airstrikes. 1.23

I was wondering if it will continue to pound an area if you no longer have line of sight on it? In other words if I can no longer see the area I originally targeted will the barrage continue, or will the planes fly over it with out engaging anything there because it is no longer visible?

#45239

Re: IL-2 Sturmovik call in airstrikes. 1.23

I'm fairly sure it's similar to the henschel in that regard. It requires los to pick out targets to do an attack run on and the attacks simply scatter around the target.
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#45268

Re: IL-2 Sturmovik call in airstrikes. 1.23

The Soviet air strike is a good ability but imo not as powerful as PEs sector arty. Ive seen sector arty take out full health vetted riflemen in one hit. Sector arty does not need to maintain control of the sector to continue firing. As a mater of fact, that's the worse part of sector arty. If somehow the sector gets de-capped then the yellow goes away as soon as it starts to get de-capped (flag just starting to come down) so you have no way of knowing if it is still there or not, but it will continue accurately hitting unites in that sector as long as it is active and it can be used back to back with no recharge. Most people that have played COH for a while knows to run like hell from the yellow.

The Soviet air strike if just consentrated in one spot. And not with super accuracy in an entire sector. So don't start with the Soviet air strike is OPed crap. Look how many CPs it takes even to get to the air strike. I have never made it there in a real game, only skirmish games to check it out. I wouldn't go break thru now anyway. I would like over repair mechanic's but I tried those guys a couple of times and they wont over repair. At 5 CPs I don't see any use for those guys. What do they do? just repair faster or what?

Last edited August 25, 2010 at 2:21 PM by Sonders

#45293

Re: IL-2 Sturmovik call in airstrikes. 1.23

At the moment they just repair faster, yes...a reasonably useful ability for a tank heavy doctrine. Its one of those units which lost its original purpose(which was OP) and is now in...somewhat on a limbo where we're working out how to improve it or replace it.
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#45339

Re: IL-2 Sturmovik call in airstrikes. 1.23

Now theres an all too familiar story...
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I destroy, that I may endure.
#45366

Re: IL-2 Sturmovik call in airstrikes. 1.23

Zerstörer wrote:
At the moment they just repair faster, yes...a reasonably useful ability for a tank heavy doctrine. Its one of those units which lost its original purpose(which was OP) and is now in...somewhat on a limbo where we're working out how to improve it or replace it.

The mechanics for the tank heavy doctrine.
hmm, i'd give them overrepair and move them to they're the first doctrine unit as opposed to the lend-lease sherman.
maybe make them tougher too.
#45402

Re: IL-2 Sturmovik call in airstrikes. 1.23

QuoteThe mechanics for the tank heavy doctrine.
hmm, i'd give them overrepair and move them to they're the first doctrine unit as opposed to the lend-lease sherman.
maybe make them tougher too.

Mechanics 1 Cp and Sherman 3 CP. I might try break thru then.
#45406

Re: IL-2 Sturmovik call in airstrikes. 1.23

i find the il2 strike ok as it is now
saved my ass many times against wehrmacht blobs
on the mechanics: i dont get them because they are expensive as hell !!300mp !! I can get a strelky squad for that
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#45837

Re: IL-2 Sturmovik call in airstrikes. 1.23

I like the mechanics. They're expensive but with veterency, I like to pull my tanks when they receive a lot of damage. they're the only unit that repairs reasonably fast. On the IL2 strike, I think its awsome but with the munition upkeep thing, I find it really difficult to use, even when its unlocked.
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#45869

Re: IL-2 Sturmovik call in airstrikes. 1.23

TacticalNuke wrote:
I like the mechanics. They're expensive but with veterency, I like to pull my tanks when they receive a lot of damage. they're the only unit that repairs reasonably fast. On the IL2 strike, I think its awsome but with the munition upkeep thing, I find it really difficult to use, even when its unlocked.

+1 right, IL-2 strike is nearly useless, if you have less than 200 mun, and remember about this ridiciolous mun upkeep - if you field enough units to fight, you have no ammo, while enemy player don't have this problem. It's stupid.
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#45870

Re: IL-2 Sturmovik call in airstrikes. 1.23

It's not stupid at all. You just have to plan whether you want weapon upgrades or to use the IL-2, just like the other armies. It's not like terror can just use a firestorm whenever they want.
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#45897

Re: IL-2 Sturmovik call in airstrikes. 1.23

There is no ability in the game more powerful than the IL2 attack runs. So yeah, its not as easily available now not as spammable.
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#45899

Re: IL-2 Sturmovik call in airstrikes. 1.23

GodlikeDennis wrote:
It's not stupid at all. You just have to plan whether you want weapon upgrades or to use the IL-2, just like the other armies. It's not like terror can just use a firestorm whenever they want.

yeah, right. but you can drop firestorm and you still have muni per minute to drop it once again, and again, and again... while soviets even without upgrades can't use it because they have this stupid upkeep!
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#45984

Re: IL-2 Sturmovik call in airstrikes. 1.23

The upkeep isn't that much. Granted it's based around 1v1 balance most likely so big team games it might hurt you a bit more.
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#46015

Re: IL-2 Sturmovik call in airstrikes. 1.23

I'm sure somebody has written this upkeep values before... I remember 8 mun/ minute for T-34... isn't that much - well, if you have at least 4 of them, 1 su-85, few tankhunters and infantry you soon will face lack of munition, while other factions players will have plenty munitions to spend and have full pop cap taken.
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#46020

Re: IL-2 Sturmovik call in airstrikes. 1.23

I just had an awful game before.

2v2 on Kursk, ally complete and utter noob. Was single handedly pushing both enemies back into their base and IL-2 comes in and fucks everything up. Kills everything in 1-2 passes and leaves a Tiger on 5%. It's still a ridiculously powerful ability.
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#46040

Re: IL-2 Sturmovik call in airstrikes. 1.23

Not as bad as 1.11, that thing could stop a game changing tank assult.
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#46042

Re: IL-2 Sturmovik call in airstrikes. 1.23

Seeme wrote:
Not as bad as 1.11, that thing could stop a game changing tank assult.


I think that's exactly the oposite to GodlikeDennis is saying. Looks like that thing can stop it. I'm not used that ability yet, so I can't say nothing about it for now.
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#46062

Re: IL-2 Sturmovik call in airstrikes. 1.23

It's a bit similar to sector artillery, in that the first strike is unavoidable so you have to get lucky and hope it misses. Those rocket runs are deadly.
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#46087

Re: IL-2 Sturmovik call in airstrikes. 1.23

Its great... if you can use it...
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#46088

Re: IL-2 Sturmovik call in airstrikes. 1.23

Its cause the rocket damage wasn't modified like it should have been and they damage like bombs. They were supposed to be like Cali rockets....ahhh well...next patch..... ::)
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Last edited September 2, 2010 at 8:31 PM by Zerstörer

#46102

Re: IL-2 Sturmovik call in airstrikes. 1.23

I like it as it is :'(

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Last edited September 3, 2010 at 2:18 AM by Seeme

#46305

Re: IL-2 Sturmovik call in airstrikes. 1.23

cephalos wrote:
GodlikeDennis wrote:
It's not stupid at all. You just have to plan whether you want weapon upgrades or to use the IL-2, just like the other armies. It's not like terror can just use a firestorm whenever they want.

yeah, right. but you can drop firestorm and you still have muni per minute to drop it once again, and again, and again... while soviets even without upgrades can't use it because they have this stupid upkeep!


what is upkeep?
#46316

Re: IL-2 Sturmovik call in airstrikes. 1.23

Upkeep is a cost that deducts from your per minute income for every unit you have. It's a function that allows you to recreate your army again quickly if destroyed and allows for the epic comebacks we sometimes see in CoH. All units have a manpower upkeep but the Soviet Union also has a munitions upkeep on some of their advanced units to make up for the fact most of their abilities are free. Otherwise they'd be swimming in munitions and the whole map would be covered in mines.
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#48334

Re: IL-2 Sturmovik call in airstrikes. 1.23

I think this one is way to powerful. There is absolutely no way to escape it, or to destroy the incoming airplanes before they fire (if you have anti aircraft it will destroy the plane but it will be too little to late because the bombs will drop before you take down the plane). It can destroy multiple Panthers and even a Tiger tank. When you compare it with the Panzer Luftwafe airstrike or the American airstrike it is just to powerful and unreal.