Unit suggestion thread:

So... Not everything what's in MoW will be included in EF :D.

walki1 wrote:
So... Not everything what's in MoW will be included in EF :D.

Jeah xD Nice point  ;D

Ok i have an oddball suggestion here but hear me out.

Before i begin i am aware that this is bending the rules a little. 

The Luftvärnskanonvagn L-62 Anti II / 40M Nimrod

So what is it?

Well its a Swedish built AA gun armed with a 40 mm Bofors that was then sold to Finland and to the Hungarians under licence and after some very minor modifications became the 40M Nimrod. 

Hang on i thought we said no specific foreign units?

Ah yes we did but, in the Ostheer description we have an entry for: Foreign Battlegroup - 3CP (Call-in two random Foreign squads (or 1 random squad plus a random crewed weapon) and 2 Foreign Tanks).

Now, i'm going out on a limb here and guess that something like the Panzer 38(t) is going to be used to represent foreign tanks due to the fact it was used by several different countries. 

In a similar manner this AA unit was used by two different countries and as such doesn't actually have to represent any particular nation (just like the Panzer 38(t) ).

Ok so it side steps the the rule against representing specific nations but, why else should we include it?

Well apart from the fact it looks rather nice it has a duel anti-air anti-armour role meaning theirs some flexibility about where it could be slotted in as a reward unit.  On top of this the Hungarians had a unique weapon for this vehicle called the 42M Kerngranate.  This was essentially a giant rifle grenade fitted over the main gun that could make for a pretty cool special attack ability.

Last edited September 11, 2011 at 11:11 PM by One-eye

Is there already a crewed weapon. If not the idea sounds neat :P

@Fishhunterx
Not yet :).

@One-eye
Sounds good, I hope this can be added ;D.

1. The L62 looks like it might be a good reward unit for the Ostwind.

2. If some version of the Pz.I is included in Ostheer I would argue for the JagdPz.I w/47mm cannon.

3. As interesting and cool as all the suggested AFVs in this thread are, I would really rather see some flavor of Pz.IV MBT in Ostheer.

Something that counters light armored vehicle spam early game. God I hate that shit.

I dunno if it has been suggested before but search didn't return anything.

SdKfz 250/11.

Role: Light, mobile AT support

Deployed from: Schutzen War Camp, Heavy support

Weapon: 2.8 cm schwere Panzerbüchse 41 (heavy AT rifle).

Cost:
250 MP
15 fuel

Special abilities: Hit the engine! (20 munitions). The half-track will fire one shot that will damage the targeted vehicle's engine. A second shot will destroy the engine.

Last edited September 17, 2011 at 3:29 PM by ubermensche

ubermensche wrote:
I dunno if it has been suggested before but search didn't return anything.

SdKfz 250/11.

Role: Light, mobile AT support

Deployed from: Schutzen War Camp, Heavy support

Weapon: 2.8 cm schwere Panzerbüchse 41 (heavy AT rifle).

Cost:
250 MP
15 fuel

Special abilities: Hit the engine! (20 munitions). The half-track will fire one shot that will damage the targeted vehicle's engine. A second shot will destroy the engine.

Pretty much sounds like the AT halftrack which the PE have...

Tico_1990 wrote:

ubermensche wrote:
I dunno if it has been suggested before but search didn't return anything.

SdKfz 250/11.

Role: Light, mobile AT support

Deployed from: Schutzen War Camp, Heavy support

Weapon: 2.8 cm schwere Panzerbüchse 41 (heavy AT rifle).

Cost:
250 MP
15 fuel

Special abilities: Hit the engine! (20 munitions). The half-track will fire one shot that will damage the targeted vehicle's engine. A second shot will destroy the engine.

Pretty much sounds like the AT halftrack which the PE have...

UH-OH! He figured it out! Quick! Censor him! AHHHHH!

Fishhunterx wrote:

Tico_1990 wrote:

ubermensche wrote:
I dunno if it has been suggested before but search didn't return anything.

SdKfz 250/11.

Role: Light, mobile AT support

Deployed from: Schutzen War Camp, Heavy support

Weapon: 2.8 cm schwere Panzerbüchse 41 (heavy AT rifle).

Cost:
250 MP
15 fuel

Special abilities: Hit the engine! (20 munitions). The half-track will fire one shot that will damage the targeted vehicle's engine. A second shot will destroy the engine.

Pretty much sounds like the AT halftrack which the PE have...

UH-OH! He figured it out! Quick! Censor him! AHHHHH!

Lolwut?

Name: Spion Spähtrupp
Squad: 2 in a squad.
Weapons: Silenced Lugers (?)
Abilites: Verkleidung (Disguise) - Resemble the selected enemy squad. (Targetted enemy squads with more people will just make this squad look wounded and missing a few.)

*(Or just make the enemies not shoot at them automatically unless told to or they themselves shoot. If this is the case give them a Hold Fire button.)

Pfadfinder (Scout) - Toggled ability. As long as it's active, the targeted area will be revealed to the Axis indefinitly. The squad cannot move and has no bonus cover while active.

Tarnung (Camouflage) - Squad becomes hidden from view, but cannot move.


Make them buyable from the HQ for 200 Manpower. Awesome scout units.

Thoughts guys?

It kinda sounds cool :P. Maybe it could be used to find snipers :D

um.... OH recon team? Like SU observers?  :-\

I think that Disguise would be hard to do, maybe just some camo abillity where they can move

It sounds kinda cool, but I think that Brandenburgers more or less already are part of the latest OH concept, right?

They'd be doctrinal but very similar, and I personnaly think Brandenburgers would be nicer :P

I think the disguise thing won't work, because this is not Red alert series, you only have squads not individuals. So that the player will more control of their units.

Mr.Q wrote:
I think the disguise thing won't work, because this is not Red alert series, you only have squads not individuals. So that the player will more control of their units.

Fine, the disguise doesn't have to be in. Just make them act like medics, as in the enemy doesn't automatically shoot them unless told specifically to do so.

My idea is something unique the other factions don't quite have, which is a dedicated scout squad.

Although I'm unsure how Ostheer secure their resources, I had an idea sometime ago regarding, not a unit, but a unique observational post.

The idea is an obs. post that resembles a set of loudspeakers, its ability would be to secure the resources in the sector, but rather than improving the resources of said sector, it would take a more defensive role by slowing down units (or just infantry) that enter the sector (i.e. they'd be more cautious).
Meanwhile, it'd give no bonus to friendly units, as I'm sure a slowed down squad of infantry are already weak as it is :P



As for the above idea of a dedicated scout squad, I think the Space Marine Scout Squad from DoW2 would be along the lines of what you might want, since that squad can camouflage and can get a detection radius when upgraded. It'd fit the whole "dedicated scout" role.

Last edited September 30, 2011 at 9:16 AM by S1lv3rWolf

I like silverwolf's idea, I saw a model of the propaganda speaker in Brit's campaign in Caen city. Slow unit down will give great (too much) benefit to maps have big sectors like Langres, mine suggestion is make the speaker buff def for units in that sector to make a combo with bloodlust ability of the ostheer.

I'm guessing somebody suggested it, but I'd like to see some of the earlier tanks the Germans operated. For example:

- Panzer II Ausf F
This would fill the role of the Sd.Kzf. 234/1 the standard Wehrmacht faction has.

- Panzer III Ausf J¹ or L
Somewhat comparable to the T-34/76 but with an inferior gun, this could be primary battle tank of the Ostheer until they can unlock heavier armor.

Both those vehicles are in the Ostheer already. You should read the OH updates.

105mm Nebelwerfer 40 mobile heavy mortar, I'd assume it would be the equivalent of the heavy mortar upgrade that the soviets have.

Last edited October 23, 2011 at 6:32 PM by ciorex

ciorex wrote:
105mm Nebelwerfer 40 mobile heavy mortar

another wikipedia weapon? I'd rather see Nebelwerfer 42 210mm.

cephalos wrote:

ciorex wrote:
105mm Nebelwerfer 40 mobile heavy mortar

another wikipedia weapon? I'd rather see Nebelwerfer 42 210mm.

Why cephalos, wikipedia is where 60% either confirm, valadate, or find new WWII ideas ;D ;D ;D

The other 35% use either movies or video games *cough*COD*cough* to find or validate our ideas :P ;)

The other 5% actually have knowledge of history ;D ;) 8)

Fishhunterx wrote:

cephalos wrote:

ciorex wrote:
105mm Nebelwerfer 40 mobile heavy mortar

another wikipedia weapon? I'd rather see Nebelwerfer 42 210mm.

Why cephalos, wikipedia is where 60% either confirm, valadate, or find new WWII ideas ;D ;D ;D

The other 35% use either movies or video games *cough*COD*cough* to find or validate our ideas :P ;)

The other 5% actually have knowledge of history ;D ;) 8)

What he said. Unless your a WWII historian, wikipedia or the internet in general is the way to go.

Also as long as the weapon in question existed, had a decent service record and has not been used previously in the game, I don't see what the problem is.

It would be moved around by a crew of 4 or 5, similarly to the AT crews, but would fire higher caliber mortar rounds and it would have a slightly longer range. Think of it as a mini 105 howitzer carriage, that can be moved around.

I think thats original in terms of coh weapons.

hey i dont know if this is a good idea, but i was wondering if you guys might want to include the Panzerkampfwagen 38t. i know it was a medium to light tank, and saw a lot of action in the eastern front. ialso know it was used for the invasion of the soviet union and poland. let me know if you think this is a good idea.

I always wonder what BurroDiablo has in his signature ;D.

Oh, I don't know... looks like a toffee donut...

blackbishop wrote:
I always wonder what BurroDiablo has in his signature ;D.

hey, isnt that from hearts of iron 3?

blackbishop wrote:
I always wonder what BurroDiablo has in his signature ;D.

if you mean the tank, i know what it is ;) but i won't say it without burro's permission

Last edited October 26, 2011 at 11:09 PM by Ghost

Is it the Panzer 38(t) ???

Fishhunterx wrote:
Is it the Panzer 38(t) ???

don't ask me  :-X

in a word, yes

stealthattack1 wrote:
in a word, yes

*gasp* He said it :o

take a look  ;)

ps: hope i can post that pic burro, otherwise just delete my post or tell me to do it

Last edited October 27, 2011 at 7:09 PM by Ghost

It's been in my sig for a few months now so its not a problem.

In the foreign support. We are not to mention any nationalitys.
So what about giving the finnish ( if there are going to be any finns?)
M31 smgs with flamethrowers! :D

And call them like.. Flame jäger or flame infantry or something!
They would at least be kind of unique ?  ;)



* Yes I knof. These were only like prototypes but we got Pershings, Is3 and V1 rocket against infantry so WHY NOT? <3 Its awesome!

Edit: some of these babies apperantly did see action? :S :D

Last edited October 28, 2011 at 12:13 PM by Sommarkatze

Quote[...]These were only like prototypes [...] Pershings, Is3 and V1 rocket [...]

Eh as far as I know they weren't prototypes :P.

They saw some field testing, but they didn't see mass production. That said, it is an interesting weapon.

but would be hell to balance I guess. Closerange + Flamethrower at the same time :P.

Yeah. Super closecombat infantry! XD
What about they have to buy their flamethrower attachment? Doesnt the Soviets strelkys with their doctrine upgrade when they get armour and flamethrowers have ppsh41 smgs also? :o

Would be a fun touch to the game. As you said Diablo. Its an intresting weapon ^^


Edit: Yes ofc Walk1 ! I didnt mean pershing and them were prototypes. I meant they are units who in IRL didnt see that kind of action like they do in COH ^^

Last edited October 28, 2011 at 3:19 PM by Sommarkatze

Sommarkatze wrote:
What about they have to buy their flamethrower attachment? Doesnt the Soviets strelkys with their doctrine upgrade when they get armour and flamethrowers have ppsh41 smgs also? :o

i think youre talking about sturmovie inergy, but i like the idea. again though, it would be hard to balance.

Thats right! Thanks stealthy!
Thank you! It doesnt hurt anyone suggesting things! (perhaps the modteam sometime regret this thread is free for all ;P)

Balance is always hard. What about they have to pay for their flamethrowers? (a high price! Its machineguns with flamethrowers ffs XD) and a totally lack of anti tank abiletys?

So they would be food for anything bigger than a Jeep, okay that's actually not to hard to balance I would imagine, I'm pretty sure a single AC can take care of them.

I don't see how that could be a balance problem either :).

I would suggest making the flamethrower an ability which can be activated for 20 secs so they use their flamers only.

would the ability cost anything? or just have a cooldown time?

It probably will cost something. A free flamethrower would just be weird :P. Unless Ostheer has a muni cost like SU

Like armour piercing shells of the M1 AT Gun