Unit suggestion thread:

@eyas
The problem with that is, tanks don't use proper crew. So, you cannot just tell them to abandon the vehicle, however we can spawn them (see jagdpanther bug).

In this case we could spawn infantry at the same vet level than the dead tank, but they won't have the kill record that the tank had because, they are different units. Besides, unless we use scar code I guess, we cannot make the tank just spit out it's crew when reaching 10% of HP but only when is dead.

And the main reason is that this not fit CoH at all.

Last edited August 8, 2011 at 1:41 AM by blackbishop

blackbishop wrote:
@eyas
The problem with that is, tanks don't use proper crew. So, you cannot just tell them to abandon the vehicle, however we can spawn them (see jagdpanther bug).

In this case we could spawn infantry at the same vet level than the dead tank, but they won't have the kill record that the tank had because, they are different units. Besides, unless we use scar code I guess, we cannot make the tank just spit out it's crew when reaching 10% of HP but only when is dead.

And the main reason is that this not fit CoH at all.

thank you blackbishop for the information  :)  , i did not know that :)

Here is an interesting take on the JP/crew bug:

• When a tank crew is spawned allow it to "cap" and recrew the "White Tanks". Whether these tanks are wrecks at start or a manifestation of the "White Tank Bug" that occurs with the BergeTiger doesn't matter.
  


• The recrewed tank could be from an opposing faction.


• The crew should have low hitpoints and no special abilities except capping. Armament should be side arms only.

I realize this will not likely go anywhere, but the notion has a certain appeal, it is in vCoH and EF, and we have all seen pictures of captured enemy vehicles.

Sound too like MoW.

Otto wrote:
Here is an interesting take on the JP/crew bug:

• When a tank crew is spawned allow it to "cap" and recrew the "White Tanks". Whether these tanks are wrecks at start or a manifestation of the "White Tank Bug" that occurs with the BergeTiger doesn't matter.
  


• The recrewed tank could be from an opposing faction.


• The crew should have low hitpoints and no special abilities except capping. Armament should be side arms only.

I realize this will not likely go anywhere, but the notion has a certain appeal, it is in vCoH and EF, and we have all seen pictures of captured enemy vehicles.

sounds interesting for a new unique game mode (like red tide/blitzkrieg). but as blackbishop explained it does not fit into regular vCoH.

Well IDK if this idea will happen but if Im correct there a little "easter egg" where you destroy Tiger, Jagdpanther, or KT, a special grenadier squad pops out with special names. They are obviously defenseless but its fun to see ;D. I think its being removed next patch so tr it quickly :P.

Guys the Blitz mod has release the new Mobelwagen, you should check it out.

why should we use the möbelwagen in the ostheer if we have already a flak upgrade for the halftrack?
right makes no sense

Guys, about the Ofenrohr Truppen i think after the modernization they should have the MP-40s or maybe K98 or better if you can do it is the MP-18 SMG.

Because i think that the Lugers won't help to protect the squad in mid-late game since the Strelkies get access to PPShs or DPs that will be alot of troubles for the squad.

Last edited August 16, 2011 at 2:32 AM by Mr.Q

@Mr.Q
They use luggers because at the moment we designed were at a special 2x1 promotion :P.

Don't know, they are supposed to be terrible against infantry, hence they got luggers.

Oh, you mean this one

quite portable.

Mr.Q wrote:
Guys, about the Ofenrohr Truppen i think after the modernization they should have the MP-40s or maybe K98 or better if you can do it is the MP-18 SMG.

Because i think that the Lugers won't help to protect the squad in mid-late game since the Strelkies get access to PPShs or DPs that will be alot of troubles for the squad.

I think the Erma or Bergermann MP-35 would fit better, MP-18 was made in World War 1 and abandoned after the war when the allies took the weapons and designs.

And call me stupid and oblivious, but what are the Ofenrohr truppen? They weren't in the video were they?

Last edited August 16, 2011 at 3:09 AM by HyperSniper999

no but they are t1 units^^
but they werent ready to show so they will be in the next video

The mp18 is sweet :> But I vote for c96 pistols.

QuoteAnd call me stupid and oblivious, but what are the Ofenrohr truppen? They weren't in the video were they?

AT troops. They begin as Panzerbusche zug then progress to Ofenrohr (early Panzershreck) zug after Gruppen Post modernisation. Their gear isn't ready yet and it's the gear that makes them which I why I think they weren't shown.

Sommarkatze wrote:
The mp18 is sweet :> But I vote for c96 pistols.

This. Broomhandles are epic!

Hm now i'm considering kinds of weapons can be used by the foreign troops
Maybe the Swedish MG-35/36A

Or maybe the Polish copy of the BAR

Italian MG

Breda Italian M1930

and... you guys can find more at Modern Firearms.

That polish BAR looks ugly! :-\

Its just rusty cause the morons who took the picture and keep the gun like having a non-firing, rare as fudge BAR

Lol the Swedish MG-35/36A looks kinda like a trumpet  ;D

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=hu&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freeweb.hu%2Fzsoltmilitary%2Findex157.htm

My suggestion for a Hungarian call in

Highly effective 128mm AT rocket which also had a shrapnel packed version vs infantry.

So we're back to the good old Foreign unit call ins aren't we, you guys , Rommel would be most displeased >:(

neosdark wrote:
So we're back to the good old Foreign unit call ins aren't we, you guys , Rommel would be most displeased >:(

But wasn't it said we'd get Foreign troops? We're just suggesting weaponry they should use.

but the concept is more or less finished!

so if its not in atm i think it will also not be included till release.

evilSpike wrote:
but the concept is more or less finished!

so if its not in atm i think it will also not be included till release.

I thought the Doctrines sneak peak included call-in Foreign support. Unless they sadly cut that out or I was dreaming. :(

Indeed, AFAIK the foreign units concept is already finished.

And we only will show them when they are done :P. No need to show the concept yet.

@bb
maybe we can close this thread?

atm there is no real need to add new units to the ostheer

we can open it again after release to suggest some reward units?

Guys back to the Ofenrohr Troopen's secondary weapon ( the one who doesn't carry AT gun) do you guys think the MP-3008 fit the spot ?

Since it was mass production in early 1945 but 10,000 was produced,  a cheaper replacement of MP-40 can save the Ostheer from the red tide ?

That is a copied sten not a MP 40.

Yes i know but i said a replacement for MP-40 not variant.

Mr.Q wrote:
Guys back to the Ofenrohr Troopen's secondary weapon ( the one who doesn't carry AT gun) do you guys think the MP-3008 fit the spot ?

Since it was mass production in early 1945 but 10,000 was produced,  a cheaper replacement of MP-40 can save the Ostheer from the red tide ?

just a question
which sense it should be to offer a unit which shows the units and weapons of 1941-43 after modernisation a mp 3008 which was produced in 1945???

this is not against you Mr.Q but plz stop suggesting things just to suggest something

special all weapons which were only build in 1945 are sensless to suggest! they dont show the eastern front at all

A Luger is all these guys need, they are used to support other Troops and are not to be used offensively like Grenadiers, Tank Hunters, Rangers and the like.
Remember, when modernised they gain TWO early-production Panzershreks per unit... for the Wehr to gain the same AT power it costs 150mu for each Grenadier unit and for the PE you can only do it doctrinally. These guys may be borderline OP already, they do not need Submachine guns or Rifles to give them better AI capabilities, they are pure AT support.

evilSpike wrote:
@bb
maybe we can close this thread?

atm there is no real need to add new units to the ostheer

we can open it again after release to suggest some reward units?

I think this topic has ran out of usefulness, but I feel we should keep it open. If people want to suggest I'd rather they did it here than spew out 10000 separate topics.

Guys i found the pic that compare the outward of MG-34 and MG-34/41, hope it's useful.

Comparison of Mauser Machine Guns of the MG-34 Series. (A) MG-34. (B) MG-34 iModiricd). (C) MG-34 S. (D) MG-34/41
And here is the source
http://www.nighttiger.net/machine-gun-v1-repeating-weapons/info-exs.html

Ok...so?

I mean that this pic can make people get clearer about the differences between the MG-34 and MG-34/41.

Mr.Q wrote:
I mean that this pic can make people get clearer about the differences between the MG-34 and MG-34/41.

So wrong topic if this is your intention  ;)

Hi there!
First of all, I'm new user here and I'm sorry about my spelling mistakes  :-\
I remember that you designed to Ost Heer have some forgein units as command upgrade ??? I think it would be if those forgein units could be Finnish guerrilla units. Those units served with germans in some cases. They did some sneaky attacks and sabotages behind ruskies frontlines. They used Suomi KP/-31 as main gun, it was more accurate tan PPSH-41 (which was copy) and the same time much more expensive. Their role in the game could be something between Russian saboteurs and Wehrmacht's stormtroopers. Tell me what you think about that idea?

@Sa-Int
Point taken.

could we possibly add this to the ostheers arsenal?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_I

it can serve as one of the ostheers  light tanks but it has a ability to convert the standard panzer 1 to a command tank attaching a bedframe antenna to it giving it the ability  to either give it a generous bonus  it could also have the ability to call off map artillery (only after unlocking the bedframe antenna)

Last edited September 4, 2011 at 4:14 PM by Xeroforce

a recon vehicle is already there the panzer 2 luchs

Killar wrote:
a recon vehicle is already there the panzer 2 luchs

-edited- to serves as the ostheers light tank

nope that tank would be worse than the recon tank.

Anyways there is a unit suggestion thread you should post in.

It was already outdated by 1939. Therefore, no.


Topic can be moved into unit suggestions or locked.

moving this to unit suggestions and also the panzer 1 was one of the main tanks along with the panzer 2  leading the way in operation barbarossa

Merged. I don't really think we are going to see the Pz. I in Ostheer :-\.

i would like to see the panzer 1 implamented into the ostheer (reward unit or whatever have you) it can become a command tank with the tanks upgrade ability which will give the panzer 1 a bedframe antenna with this new upgrade the panzer 1 can now become a command tank providing either offensive or defensive bonuses also with the antenna unlocked the panzer 1 can now call in off map artillery barrages and smoke cover for advancing tanks

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let me rephrase that the pz1  could be like the cromwell command tank shared vet can provide bonuses and can call in either arty strikes or smoke cover doesnt necessarily have to be a ifv or main battle tank i understand that it wasnt the best tank in the world but on the eastern front the pz1 served different services such as  command and control recon and even a flame tank in some instances

Last edited September 4, 2011 at 6:55 PM by Xeroforce

The Ostheer concept has been final for a while, adding more vehicles only slows down development time. Maybe we can add a Panzer 1 in the future as a Sd.Kfz. 263 Luftwaffe Kommand replacement, but that won't be until after the initial release.

BurroDiablo wrote:
The Ostheer concept has been final for a while, adding more vehicles only slows down development time. Maybe we can add a Panzer 1 in the future as a Sd.Kfz. 263 Luftwaffe Kommand replacement, but that won't be until after the initial release.

you know burro i actually like that idea  :)

The armed, light tank version :D.

Xeroforce wrote:
moving this to unit suggestions and also the panzer 1 was one of the main tanks along with the panzer 2  leading the way in operation barbarossa

Well. Panzer I was outdated before ww2. All Pz I were backtracked form front lines in 1941. No german division used Pz I for assault during operation Barbarossa. Later on there were some trials with the heavy version Pz I Ausf. F. So when Ostheer will see a Pz I version i hope we will take Ausf. F because this tank had seen a kind of combat at the eastern front.