Unit suggestion thread:

Scoped Kar 98k's for Gerbirgsjaegers please sick of the Generic 43's keep up the good work lads!

sniper_bow wrote:
Scoped Kar 98k's for Gerbirgsjaegers please sick of the Generic 43's keep up the good work lads!

+1

Paladin88 wrote:

sniper_bow wrote:
Scoped Kar 98k's for Gerbirgsjaegers please sick of the Generic 43's keep up the good work lads!

+1

+1

I thought Jaegers light infantry high trained infantry while Gerbirgsjaegers are mountain soldiers, or are they the same?

vonklaus wrote:
I thought Jaegers light infantry high trained infantry while Gerbirgsjaegers are mountain soldiers, or are they the same?

Gerbirgsjagers are highly trained. I don't think the Germans really referred any soldiers of theirs as simply Jagers during the war. Schutzen might be what you're looking for, but they are the equivalent of privates. In addition, Fallschirmjagers were paratroopers.

Could be wrong, though.

HyperSniper999 wrote:

vonklaus wrote:
I thought Jaegers light infantry high trained infantry while Gerbirgsjaegers are mountain soldiers, or are they the same?

Gerbirgsjagers are highly trained. I don't think the Germans really referred any soldiers of theirs as simply Jagers during the war. Schutzen might be what you're looking for, but they are the equivalent of privates. In addition, Fallschirmjagers were paratroopers.

Could be wrong, though.

There were Jägerdivisionen. Basicaly they were light infantry with equipment smiliar to the Gebirgsjäger.

I remembered 2 years ago, the devs have 2 concepts of the german truck, one loaded with ammo, one loaded with fuel tank. I have the idead that they could be use as  sector secure, with a later upgrade the ammo truck can decrase cooldown of skills and the fuel truck can has more fuel boost. Additionally, if a fuel or ammo truck secure a strategic point, the strategic point will work ammo/fuel point depend on the truck secure it. And again... It just poped up in my mind.

I'm surprised that no-one suggested the Flakpanzer IV Mobelwagen, yet, suggested the Gepard, the Flakpanzer I and even the field-modded Flakpanzer T-34 (searched the thread).

The Mobelwagen is very unique, seeing that it needs to have its shields fully down to even THINK about fighting infantry, and it uses the same 3.7cm FlaK as the Ostwind (prototype had the 2cm Flakvierling), but I don't have complete knowledge of its usage, except for the fact that they were built on damaged Pz IV chassis from the Eastern Front.


Keeping up with the previous topic, I like Stavka's idea, each faction usually has a different way of securing points (PE have the 223, British have their HQs, Axis and US have the Observation Posts), it might just work.

This one?

Yep, that's the Flakvierling variant.

That would be really cool, I hope the devs approve. Ostheer needs an AA tank like this to match the other axis factions

Nope, they have the AA upgrade for the halftrack ;). Don't think they need anything else, besides they already have the Brummbär as Infantry slayer.

S1lv3rWolf wrote:
Yep, that's the Flakvierling variant.

Well to me that looks like a Whirblewind (or whatever the Flakpanzer PE gets is called)

Its call a mobelwagon. I have one as a model.

HyperSniper999 wrote:

S1lv3rWolf wrote:
Yep, that's the Flakvierling variant.

Well to me that looks like a Whirblewind (or whatever the Flakpanzer PE gets is called)

Its easy to mistake them since both have the quad-barrel Flakvierling and mounted on the same Panzer IV chassis, but the Wirbelwind had a nine-sided turret and The Mobelwagen was simply a square box whose shields could just be lowered down. :)

Also: ah well bishop, guess I have to ask then, 251/17 or 251/21?  ;)
(probably the former).

Sdkfz. 251/17

Also we are considering to include as reward unit, if possible the Kugelblitz.

So, i don't think we are going to use the möbelwagen.

Would be nice if you could only call two kugelblitzs because there were only 2 produced I think.

What's a Kugelblitz?

It's a Flakpanzer based on the Panzer IV, armed with two 30mm MK103/38.

you guys are going to have flak coming out of your ears by release! :P

lol... and you haven't seen our Ostheer's base defense Flak prototype ;D.

IL-2 Sturmovik paranoia? :P

Isen´t it ironic to have the Kugelblitz who was like a prototype tank and not the Maus that everybody else asks about? :P

( OWH JESUS CHRIST DONT BAN ME!?</3)

Pretty soon Maus is gonna get strongly associated with "fisting & insertion" for me, 'cause that's what I imagine happening to guys, who are requesting it being included.  ;D ;D ;D

Sommarkatze wrote:
Isen´t it ironic to have the Kugelblitz who was like a prototype tank and not the Maus that everybody else asks about? :P

( OWH JESUS CHRIST DONT BAN ME!?</3)

/ban

Sommarkatze wrote:
Isen´t it ironic to have the Kugelblitz who was like a prototype tank and not the Maus that everybody else asks about? :P

( OWH JESUS CHRIST DONT BAN ME!?</3)

Well, i don't think is ironic :), Kugelblitz can be a cool unit, working like the flakpanzers do. And in the other hand we have the maus... what we can do with that piece of junk? ??? I would prefer to have buildable pantherturms :P.

IJoe wrote:
Pretty soon Maus is gonna get strongly associated with "fisting & insertion" for me, 'cause that's what I imagine happening to guys, who are requesting it being included.  ;D ;D ;D

Sorry for following OT (it's related on IJoes fisting imagination), but I nearly shat my pants why I was laughing about this (is from FH2 forums BTW):




;D

/OT

Though Kugelblitz was just produced two times, I think it has deserved its chance like the Soviet T90 which was also just a prototype. Gameplay>Realism.

MaxiKing6 wrote:

IJoe wrote:
Pretty soon Maus is gonna get strongly associated with "fisting & insertion" for me, 'cause that's what I imagine happening to guys, who are requesting it being included.  ;D ;D ;D

Sorry for following OT (it's related on IJoes fisting imagination), but I nearly shat my pants why I was laughing about this (is from FH2 forums BTW):




;D

/OT

Though Kugelblitz was just produced two times, I think it has deserved its chance like the Soviet T90 which was also just a prototype. Gameplay>Realism.

Maus->Trollface-> Spanking

+1 xD

blackbishop wrote:
Well, i don't think is ironic :), Kugelblitz can be a cool unit, working like the flakpanzers do. And in the other hand we have the maus... what we can do with that piece of junk? ??? I would prefer to have buildable pantherturms :P.

inb4 Sturer Emil ;D

oh hey, here's another unit, the Panzer Beobachtungswagen V Panther
In short - it's an artillery observation Panther Ausf. D with a dummy gun. - like the Cromwell Command Tank. :)
Unfortunately I wouldn't be entirely sure where this unit would fit, other than a special one for campaign or something.

FH2 thing made me laugh.

Sommarkatze wrote:
Isen´t it ironic to have the Kugelblitz who was like a prototype tank and not the Maus that everybody else asks about? :P

( OWH JESUS CHRIST DONT BAN ME!?</3)

No, not really. Maus was a super-heavy tank, Kugelblitz wasn't. The prototype argument doesn't even factor in.

This hard-on people suddenly have for the Maus is unwarrented. IS3 or not, Axis still have the heaviest tank in the game, they do not need another even heavier Tank. Seriously, leave it be.

Puh, For a minute there I thought i actually had been banned XD

Bannings on this forum is very rare... other than spam bots, only person I can remember getting banned was a guy who kept asking for CoH CD keys and shit after being told not to.

Lovely signature, Burro.  :)

I have to say I feel a little bad about that people didnt understand that it was a joke.
I dont blaim you guys ofc. I blaim my failed comedian skillz XD


I blaim world of tanks for getting the Maus so popular.
Imo worlds of tanks should have like a big poster thingy when you select german tanks were it is written: 70% of our tanks did not see combat. Have a good day !

Sommarkatze wrote:I blaim world of tanks for getting the Maus so popular.
Imo worlds of tanks should have like a big poster thingy when you select german tanks were it is written: 70% of our tanks did not see combat. Have a good day !

+ 99999999999999999999999!!

Exactly...all those Maus, IS-7, Panther II and other stuff makes only confusion in the people's minds.

I don't see how IS-3 is different from Maus.  Both come from the same source: noobs begging for super-tanks.  Also, neither saw battle in Europe.

Even the Pershing, which came very late-war, was confirmed to have fought a few battles.  If IS-3 was confirmed to have fought in the war, then this would be a whole different story, but as of right now it seems this is another fantasy tank made real.

I'm sure there could have been other, more realistic alternative units to use as reward units instead of this.  I mean if people are so desperate for a Soviet 1 time call-in...as ridiculous as it sounds, there could be a unit like "IS-2 Ace" or something.

Last edited May 24, 2011 at 10:06 PM by Yauz

I do like the idea of a IS-2 ACE. Sounds really nice and give a smexy color scheme like the Tiger ACE and you will have one great tank. Paint it some kind of real cool White Camo so the enemy knows when they are fucked ;D

What if the Kubelwagen had an officer in it and game a command aura? It would be unique as no other factions have a command vehicle like it. Most German officers did ride around in these at least in the early parts of the war in the east.

Yauz wrote:
I don't see how IS-3 is different from Maus.  Both come from the same source: noobs begging for super-tanks.  Also, neither saw battle in Europe.

Even the Pershing, which came very late-war, was confirmed to have fought a few battles.  If IS-3 was confirmed to have fought in the war, then this would be a whole different story, but as of right now it seems this is another fantasy tank made real.

I'm sure there could have been other, more realistic alternative units to use as reward units instead of this.  I mean if people are so desperate for a Soviet 1 time call-in...as ridiculous as it sounds, there could be a unit like "IS-2 Ace" or something.

Let's put aside that was confirmed or not to have fought a few battles (which i remember someone post a book where is told that it really fought during the last months of war), the IS-3 was built in numbers during the last part of WW2 and many units where finished before May 1945. That's enough to include it in a game that features unlimited Bergetigers, Ostwinds, Crocodiles, StuH on Pz IV chassis, Pumas, Henschel 129s, Wirbelwinds... and nothing from that list, even the IS-3, is comparable with the Maus.

neosdark wrote:
I do like the idea of a IS-2 ACE. Sounds really nice and give a smexy color scheme like the Tiger ACE and you will have one great tank. Paint it some kind of real cool White Camo so the enemy knows when they are fucked ;D

That sounds cool... but it's too late now ;D.

Yauz wrote:
I don't see how IS-3 is different from Maus.  Both come from the same source: noobs begging for super-tanks.  Also, neither saw battle in Europe.

IS3 was added because we had the model and it would've been a shame to waste it. People want the Maus added as a direct response to the IS3, which is an utterly retarded premise. IS3 is more akin to the KT, and in the game the IS3 has been toned down so it doesn't challenge the KT's position as strongest tank in the game.

QuoteI'm sure there could have been other, more realistic alternative units to use as reward units instead of this.  I mean if people are so desperate for a Soviet 1 time call-in...as ridiculous as it sounds, there could be a unit like "IS-2 Ace" or something.

Remember this is CoH we're talking about, accuracy was never it's strong suit. Besides, IS2 Ace sounds uninspiring, especially when the IS3 model was there, animated and ready to use.

blackbishop wrote:

neosdark wrote:
I do like the idea of a IS-2 ACE. Sounds really nice and give a smexy color scheme like the Tiger ACE and you will have one great tank. Paint it some kind of real cool White Camo so the enemy knows when they are fucked ;D

That sounds cool... but it's too late now ;D.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

ME WANTS MY ACE  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Well, in the future we could possibly do something like that when we replace the models. Buildable IS2's use the early stepped hull, IS2 Ace uses the glacis hull. Would explain for armour differences.

BurroDiablo wrote:
Well, in the future we could possibly do something like that when we replace the models. Buildable IS2's use the early stepped hull, IS2 Ace uses the glacis hull. Would explain for armour differences.

KK sounds good, I hope we can arrange that, or maybe make the early version and late version reward units, one is better but more expensive, while the other is cheaper and less efficient.

Though that would be very Blitzy so maybe not.....

BurroDiablo wrote:

Yauz wrote:
I don't see how IS-3 is different from Maus.  Both come from the same source: noobs begging for super-tanks.  Also, neither saw battle in Europe.

IS3 was added because we had the model and it would've been a shame to waste it. People want the Maus added as a direct response to the IS3, which is an utterly retarded premise. IS3 is more akin to the KT, and in the game the IS3 has been toned down so it doesn't challenge the KT's position as strongest tank in the game.

Well that's the thing unfortunately.  It was added just for the sake of adding it, simply because there was a model available.  Its like adding the Maus simply because there's a World of Tanks model available.  Hopefully this IS-3 unit can be replaced with something different, and less fantasy-like, like the "IS-2 Ace" later on.


It is right that the Soviet 1-time call in for Breakthrough isn't as strong as the German 1-times (KT / Jagdpanther).  People need to look at this from a balance standpoint before simply blindly new shit in.

If you look at the doctrines, right now Breakthrough doctrine is like PE Tank Destroyer doctrine PLUS elements from Luftwaffe Doctrine (luft ground forces for repair / air strike) all rolled into one.  Not to mention their airstrike is much better than the Henschel one, but costs the same.  Breakthrough doctrine has to be weaker somewhere to make up for its more useful commander abilities.  Every doctrine has its relatively useless abilities, such as Inspired Assault, V1, Tank Awareness, APC rounds, etc, but for Breakthrough doctrine, the abilities are all useful.

Last edited May 25, 2011 at 4:16 AM by Yauz

Nothings wrong with breakthrough atm its very expensive to begin with, it will be overshadowed by the new prop doc.  also henschel is actually rather powerful vs armor and base buildings, I think IL-2 eventually needs to have its AI ability decreased and its AT ability increased.

the muni cost is not an issue also you forget IL2 comes at the late stages of the game were soviets will have a big muni upkeep so all this is taken into account. theres more to it than just comparing faction costs

The IS-3 will usually win vs every axis heavy except for KT and jagp in a slugfest, but those super heavys are the ones where micro will allow you to win.

IS-2 ace? eww :D

Last edited May 25, 2011 at 5:56 AM by RedGuard

Hi, I wanna suggest some units for Foreign Support Units, like Italian Camicie Nere (Black Coats) with 3 Carcano, 1 Breda M1930 and 1 MAB 1938, 47/32 AT gun and M14/41 medium tank, Romanian Mountain troops with 4 Kar98k and 1 MP41, Hungarian Honved and Turan II medium tank, Panzer 38t for Germans and all their allies in early game and StuGIII Ausf.B for Germans only.

Fede91CCNN wrote:
Hi, I wanna suggest some units for Foreign Support Units, like Italian Camicie Nere (Black Coats) with 3 Carcano, 1 Breda M1930 and 1 MAB 1938, 47/32 AT gun and M14/41 medium tank, Romanian Mountain troops with 4 Kar98k and 1 MP41, Hungarian Honved and Turan II medium tank, Panzer 38t for Germans and all their allies in early game and StuGIII Ausf.B for Germans only.

I sort of took this idea from somebody else, but here was it anyway.
All foreign infantry when you get them have equal stats, but you can upgrade them they become different.
Finns - AT rifles - Become very good against light armor
Hungarians - I heard they had a very powerful rocket launcher, they could use that - Good against heavy armor
Italians - MAB-38 SMG's - Good against infantry at close range
Romanians - Larger squads since Romania sent many men into Russia - Again, infantry advantage

BurroDiablo wrote:
Well, in the future we could possibly do something like that when we replace the models. Buildable IS2's use the early stepped hull, IS2 Ace uses the glacis hull. Would explain for armour differences.

This is one of these Burroideas i truely love.
But what would it replace than?  I guess 90% of ppl would hate to see the IS3 replaced again, its simply the literally pike of soviet tank engineering.
The way Rudguard explained it axis only ppls should be fine with it as well.

Regards,
-V-

Venoxxis wrote:

BurroDiablo wrote:
Well, in the future we could possibly do something like that when we replace the models. Buildable IS2's use the early stepped hull, IS2 Ace uses the glacis hull. Would explain for armour differences.

This is one of these Burroideas i truely love.
But what would it replace than?  I guess 90% of ppl would hate to see the IS3 replaced again, its simply the literally pike of soviet tank engineering.
The way Rudguard explained it axis only ppls should be fine with it as well.

Regards,
-V-

True.

As for what it could replace, maybe T-34 call-in?

IJoe wrote:
As for what it could replace, maybe T-34 call-in?

That would be waaay to soon for a heavy tank ace. Maybe you could just make it replace the standard IS-2 and raise its cost plus hardcap it?