Unit suggestion thread:

My suggestion wasn't 100% serious.  ;)
I just said it because a Nazi-Space-Ranger-Lookalike Mr.Someguy suggested is even more stupid.

Something like "Stalingrad-Veterans" I could see as part of a campaign, but even as a reward-unit it would maybe be too much.

@ Seeme: 2 Heroe units?  ???  What did you mean with that?

Knight Cross?

@ Aouch; will have a better reply when I'm sober, but sorry, didn't get the it the first time.
Also Knight cross is also the only "Hero" type unit I can think off.

Aouch wrote:I just said it because a Nazi-Space-Ranger-Lookalike Mr.Someguy suggested is even more stupid.

Uhh, they really had troops in Gas Masks, and on the Eastern Front, many troops wore long coats because it was cold.

Well, I don't know if they are from EF but...
http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x246/blackbishop86/ww2/a87abc6d.jpg
http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x246/blackbishop86/ww2/3d2c3500.jpg

@blackbishop
these are german soldiers in WW1

maxi1991 wrote:
@blackbishop
these are german soldiers in WW1

i agree. the larger Stahlhelms and slightly pudgier field uniforms are a dead giveaway. What's more, gas-masks weren't commonly worn at all by the Wehrmacht in WW2... commanders on all sides were already too hesitant to employ biological warfare by then. 

remember that gas mask is not only useful when comes to chemical warfare. it can give protection ie. smoke from burning vehicles, or poisonus gas from explosions, or very unhealthy air.

I think we should have this for the Ostheer! ;D



Donkey Troops!!

in the squad of 12 of them.

Of course Wehrmacht-soldiers weared long-coats in winter.  :)
However, gas was never used in WW2, besides one time by Polish soldiers against German soldiers.
Even if gasmasks were used a few times to hold of real thick smoke, soldiers don't run around with it if it isn't really, really necessary.  ::)

This one is kind of useless because the russians already have a sniperace call in unit but i tell it anyway.

Its a german sniperace, that can go into stealth and shoot people as a regular sniper. But(the english word for ass)!

He have an abilety called ¨Sniper fear¨.

This abilety works like this, If the german sniper ace. We can call him Major König after the movie Enemy at the gates antoganist, Major König ( big influence from him actually XD)

If Major König is in stealth mode on a enemys sector . He can activate Sniper fear. He cant move when in that stand but he can shoot or hold his fire (hold fire abilety.)
The whole sector will now be in sniper fear making the enemys infantry while moving in that sector less good in fighting because of the rumors of the legendary enemy ace in the area making them extra scared
. Also the enemy wont be reciveing any resources from that sector because nobody has the coureage to retrieve them because of the terror from the sniper ^^.

Yeah I know it may be kind of cheesy but I think it sounds kind of intressting :D Now as I say we already have a sniper ace and it would be kind of lame if the ostheer got one too ( but you could play enemy of the gates then ;P) but you can always maybe use just the sniper fear abilety? :D

Last edited October 3, 2010 at 3:54 PM by Sommarkatze

Werwolf wrote:

maxi1991 wrote:
@blackbishop
these are german soldiers in WW1

i agree. the larger Stahlhelms and slightly pudgier field uniforms are a dead giveaway. What's more, gas-masks weren't commonly worn at all by the Wehrmacht in WW2... commanders on all sides were already too hesitant to employ biological warfare by then.

Also they are lacking the german eagle on the ?right? chest. My guess is that they arte Ulanens.

@maxi1991 & @Werwolf
Thanks for the answer :). Indeed, they looked weird for ww2 but never thought that were from ww1.

No one likes my Donkey troops ???

Is not like that... I wonder what use could have for ostheer, or could be a replace unit perhaps?

Sommarkatze wrote:
This one is kind of useless because the russians already have a sniperace call in unit but i tell it anyway.

Its a german sniperace, that can go into stealth and shoot people as a regular sniper. But(the english word for ass)!

He have an abilety called ¨Sniper fear¨.

This abilety works like this, If the german sniper ace. We can call him Major König after the movie Enemy at the gates antoganist, Major König ( big influence from him actually XD)

If Major König is in stealth mode on a enemys sector . He can activate Sniper fear. He cant move when in that stand but he can shoot or hold his fire (hold fire abilety.)
The whole sector will now be in sniper fear making the enemys infantry while moving in that sector less good in fighting because of the rumors of the legendary enemy ace in the area making them extra scared
. Also the enemy wont be reciveing any resources from that sector because nobody has the coureage to retrieve them because of the terror from the sniper ^^.

Yeah I know it may be kind of cheesy but I think it sounds kind of intressting :D Now as I say we already have a sniper ace and it would be kind of lame if the ostheer got one too ( but you could play enemy of the gates then ;P) but you can always maybe use just the sniper fear abilety? :D

nice idea, but it fits better to Soviet sniper Ace.

Iam glad that you did like my idea ^^ But yes indeed. It fits better to the Soviet sniper ace.

Aouch wrote:
Of course Wehrmacht-soldiers weared long-coats in winter.  :)
However, gas was never used in WW2, besides one time by Polish soldiers against German soldiers.
Even if gasmasks were used a few times to hold of real thick smoke, soldiers don't run around with it if it isn't really, really necessary.  ::)

CoH isn't all about realism though, now is it.

I mean, Germany didn't take their best soldiers and send them into the field in their dress uniforms with StG44's and Panzerfaust's.

Not to mention the fact that BIG IRON CROSS icons wouldn't pop above their heads when they throw nades... :P

Soldier: I think I see Americas hiding in the bushes... Its making a big red glow...

omg the british are shining
there must be a lieutnant nearby

Nor did commanders always have perfect top down views of the battlefield. Anyway, we're getting this 35 page monster off-topic.

Most long topics like this usually get locked...

If this gets locked, it would be against devs' decision about the function of this thread. Until the units of the ostheer are defined or Devs say otherwise, this thread will be alive.

Aouch wrote:
Seriously, what's the point in creating a unit like the Gebirgsjäger you suggested?
You basicly said they're uber in close range, uber in long range (sniper), uber against tanks (disable them) and have their field guns for artillery support.  ;D
In my opinion, if the Gebirgsjäger are actually added, it should be a small infantry unit (3-4 men) which is good for long-range anti-infantry combat. Armed with scoped K98k or G43. However, they suck at close range. But I would like it even more, if this role is being taken by a foreign unit like Romanian Mountaineers or Italian Alpini. (Label them "Foreign Mountaineers" or "Southern Mountain Specialists" to avoid ppl bitching about "why isn't my country in!!111".)
No point in making nearly the complete Ostheer into a Gebirgsjäger-Korps.


Now, to my suggestion:
I know there were already suggestions to make the Ostheer mobile by giving them special halftrack-conversions to beware the recrewing-bug SU is suffering under.
For example the SdKfz 10 is the Ostheer's standard troop-transporter.
SdKfz 10/4 or /5 with 2cm FlaK38 as AA and AI-weapon, while SdKfz 10/5 with 5cm PaK38 as AT-weapon.
This vehicles where in most cases unarmored and therefore are a simple target for every attacker (take into account the PE uses the armored SdKfz 250). Of course, this would balance the mobility of the halftracks, however, they could be even faster destroyed than the paper-armor SdKfz 250 and 251.

Now, many concepts seems to include the 251, but as we all now, this thing is already part of the WH. I know it was the most common IAFV, but how about the Ostheer actually get something new?

German Forces captured many French halftrack (UNIC P107) during the Western Campaign, some of them were converted by "Commando Becker", which also created the Marder-tankdestroyer-series and other improvised armor, into SPW U304(f). There were also upgunned versions with 2cm FlaK and others.
I don't know if they served on the Eastern Front, but Becker's unit, the 21st Panzerdivision served from early 1945 till the end of the war in the East.

Well the romanians went against the germans at the end of the war, and they are not ueber (thats the spelling without the umlaut. and btw the word means over) They suck against tanks, few tanks were successfully stopped.

SSgtTherrien wrote:
Well the romanians went against the germans at the end of the war, and they are not ueber (thats the spelling without the umlaut. and btw the word means over) They suck against tanks, few tanks were successfully stopped.

Actually, I'm German and thus know it has to be "über". However, as we know, it doesn't make any sense at all to call something "über".
"Uber" however is a word usually used in modern English/AE language or as an internet-"slang"-word to show the superiority of a thing or a certain person.  ;D

But now, for god's sake, that was OT.  ;)

Romanians fought of course against Third Reich in the end of the war.
Italy, too. However, I don't think that's a reason to not add Foreign Units, as they played a vital aspect in the war. (Think of Stalingrad, which was surrounded due to badly equipped Romanians)

I thought Stalingrad had Germans?

Army Group South would have had lots of Romanians I would think.

AGS had the highest amount of Slavacks in the German Army, one of the reasons why they lost Stalingrad is they had the Romanians, Hungarians and Bulgarians holding the flanks and not the Wehrmacht.

hey newbie
isnt it ironic that your 2nd signature is against 1337 speech and your first one spams it all over the place??
::)
just saying
regards pauly3

Such a post would be better send by PN function!
Back to topic  ;)
Lord Rommel - DEV

Last edited October 10, 2010 at 11:29 AM by Lord Rommel

...I don't see why we can't have captured French HTs for OH, since many of the actual "Beute" equipment used by the Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS were unaccounted for in their official records (that, or the records themselves were destroyed along with other documents in the last days of the war).

Due to equipment shortages on the Eastern Front, they used everything that could be used, including civilian vehicles and horse-drawn wagons. Which might also explain the purpose of the "Eselschreck" unit in the original Relic files  :P

Yeah, that's why I suggested it.  :)
The SPW U304(f) was probably used in the east, however it wasn't a common vehicle. But anyway better than using again and again the old stuff.

Problem I can see with it, that it is to unfamiliar to the modding-community and therefore won't be modeled and animated by some talented modder.
Since EF-Team lacks an animator atm, using stuff from others is probably the only way to get all the things needed for the Ostheer.

I wish the DEVs would present their OH-plan to the community, maybe they're lucky and someone makes a animated model for them.
But as long as nobody aside from the DEVs know about the concept, it could be really hard to get all the stuff together.

QuoteDue to equipment shortages on the Eastern Front, they used everything that could be used, including civilian vehicles and horse-drawn wagons.

Actually, the great majority of Wehrmacht Divisions weren't motorised, unlike the Allied-Forces.  :)
Horses were the main "transport" for everything.  ;)

Aouch wrote:
Yeah, that's why I suggested it.  :)
The SPW U304(f) was probably used in the east, however it wasn't a common vehicle. But anyway better than using again and again the old stuff.

Problem I can see with it, that it is to unfamiliar to the modding-community and therefore won't be modeled and animated by some talented modder.
Since EF-Team lacks an animator atm, using stuff from others is probably the only way to get all the things needed for the Ostheer.

I wish the DEVs would present their OH-plan to the community, maybe they're lucky and someone makes a animated model for them.
But as long as nobody aside from the DEVs know about the concept, it could be really hard to get all the stuff together.

QuoteDue to equipment shortages on the Eastern Front, they used everything that could be used, including civilian vehicles and horse-drawn wagons.

Actually, the great majority of Wehrmacht Divisions weren't motorised, unlike the Allied-Forces.  :)
Horses were the main "transport" for everything.  ;)

Yes they were (horses)... even Waffen-SS divisions such as the Handschar used mule trains etc. to lug their equipment around. I was just commenting on the scarcity of Wehrmacht-issued motorized equipment on the Eastern Front... which were mostly given to recce units, and to "prioritized" divisions such as Panzer Lehr, GD, LSSAH, HJ, and Das Reich  ;) That said, it wasn't unusual either for the landser to be seen riding in Tatra trucks or improvised horse-drawn wagons instead of SdKfz. 251s and Opel Blitzes.  :)

Let's all blame Hollywood for spawning and perpetuating this ridiculous "fully-motorized Jerries" myth.  ::)

Last edited October 12, 2010 at 9:07 AM by Werwolf

I'm not really sure if this has been suggested yet, ive tried searching for it but can't seem to find any posts about it. I recently just re-installed Brothers in Arms Hell's Highway and there is a mission where you must destroy a halftrack with an 88mm mounted on it and i did a bit of research and appearently this was used in the opening of Operation Barbarossa. Saw a picture of it from 1940s in Russia so it could have been fielded in numbers for it to be a viable addition to the Osteer. But in keeping with the Osteers high mobility focused play they might benefit from having a halftrack mounted with an 88.

U talk about the "Bunkerknacker" gun - a SdKfz. 8.
When i'm informed right just one company had used
this gun during the first days of operation Barbarossa.
So it is a unique unit but no interesting unit for the Ostheer.

Werwolf wrote:

Aouch wrote:
Yeah, that's why I suggested it.  :)
The SPW U304(f) was probably used in the east, however it wasn't a common vehicle. But anyway better than using again and again the old stuff.

Problem I can see with it, that it is to unfamiliar to the modding-community and therefore won't be modeled and animated by some talented modder.
Since EF-Team lacks an animator atm, using stuff from others is probably the only way to get all the things needed for the Ostheer.

I wish the DEVs would present their OH-plan to the community, maybe they're lucky and someone makes a animated model for them.
But as long as nobody aside from the DEVs know about the concept, it could be really hard to get all the stuff together.

QuoteDue to equipment shortages on the Eastern Front, they used everything that could be used, including civilian vehicles and horse-drawn wagons.

Actually, the great majority of Wehrmacht Divisions weren't motorised, unlike the Allied-Forces.  :)
Horses were the main "transport" for everything.  ;)

Yes they were (horses)... even Waffen-SS divisions such as the Handschar used mule trains etc. to lug their equipment around. I was just commenting on the scarcity of Wehrmacht-issued motorized equipment on the Eastern Front... which were mostly given to recce units, and to "prioritized" divisions such as Panzer Lehr, GD, LSSAH, HJ, and Das Reich  ;) That said, it wasn't unusual either for the landser to be seen riding in Tatra trucks or improvised horse-drawn wagons instead of SdKfz. 251s and Opel Blitzes.  :)

Let's all blame Hollywood for spawning and perpetuating this ridiculous "fully-motorized Jerries" myth.  ::)

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x246/blackbishop86/ww2/8c895ad6.jpg
are these soldiers germans????

I have a bad sight :).

Last edited October 13, 2010 at 2:45 AM by blackbishop

yes they are
see the eagle on the riders chest, K98, Mp40, Pak36 the backpacks, the boots and the uniform style
and the stylish haircuts

And the damage they have made :)

blackbishop wrote:

Werwolf wrote:

Aouch wrote:
Yeah, that's why I suggested it.  :)
The SPW U304(f) was probably used in the east, however it wasn't a common vehicle. But anyway better than using again and again the old stuff.

Problem I can see with it, that it is to unfamiliar to the modding-community and therefore won't be modeled and animated by some talented modder.
Since EF-Team lacks an animator atm, using stuff from others is probably the only way to get all the things needed for the Ostheer.

I wish the DEVs would present their OH-plan to the community, maybe they're lucky and someone makes a animated model for them.
But as long as nobody aside from the DEVs know about the concept, it could be really hard to get all the stuff together.

QuoteDue to equipment shortages on the Eastern Front, they used everything that could be used, including civilian vehicles and horse-drawn wagons.

Actually, the great majority of Wehrmacht Divisions weren't motorised, unlike the Allied-Forces.  :)
Horses were the main "transport" for everything.  ;)

Yes they were (horses)... even Waffen-SS divisions such as the Handschar used mule trains etc. to lug their equipment around. I was just commenting on the scarcity of Wehrmacht-issued motorized equipment on the Eastern Front... which were mostly given to recce units, and to "prioritized" divisions such as Panzer Lehr, GD, LSSAH, HJ, and Das Reich  ;) That said, it wasn't unusual either for the landser to be seen riding in Tatra trucks or improvised horse-drawn wagons instead of SdKfz. 251s and Opel Blitzes.  :)

Let's all blame Hollywood for spawning and perpetuating this ridiculous "fully-motorized Jerries" myth.  ::)

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x246/blackbishop86/ww2/8c895ad6.jpg
are these soldiers germans????

I have a bad sight :).

Yep, seems like a Heer infantry division... must be early-WW2, all of them are still wearing Marchstiefel (jackboots). The architecture of the buildings in the background also suggests that the photo was taken somewhere in France...

On closer inspection, most of the men in the photo aren't as tall as their NCOs in the foreground... so they're either very young or they're foreign volunteers...

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maxi1991 wrote:
yes they are
see the eagle on the riders chest, K98, Mp40, Pak36 the backpacks, the boots and the uniform style
and the stylish haircuts

...plus the field equipment as well (gasmask canisters, canteens, breadbags, bayonets, Zeltbahns, webbing and cartridge pouches, etc.). Allied soldiers generally didn't tend to carry that much equipment. It was common for Wehrmacht enlisted men to own pistols too, unlike their Allied counterparts (pistols weren't only restricted to officers in the Wehrmacht).

Last edited October 14, 2010 at 6:15 AM by Werwolf

What if Ostheer used trucks instead of halftracks for transport. They are faster, but weaker and unarmed.
Sounds fair to me!

Toorstain wrote:
What if Ostheer used trucks instead of halftracks for transport. They are faster, but weaker and unarmed.
Sounds fair to me!

meh, they would be faster on roads but offroad they would be so slow..

I don't think the Opel Blitz 3to was used as a frontline-troop-transporter.
The Wehrmacht relied especially in Russia heavily on halftracks for transport-purposes. Something like the SdKfz 10 or so would be nice.

But I agree with you, we don't need another SdKfz 250 or 251.  :)

my suggestion is a soldier "nazi storm elite" like in moh airborne can you guys add this soldier on one of the doctrines or buildings?

http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs26/f/2008/111/e/9/MoH_Airborne__Nazi_Storm_Elite_by_PnzrKomandant1945.jpg

turkman wrote:
my suggestion is a soldier "nazi storm elite" like in moh airborne can you guys add this soldier on one of the doctrines or buildings?

http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs26/f/2008/111/e/9/MoH_Airborne__Nazi_Storm_Elite_by_PnzrKomandant1945.jpg

haha, and what kind of godly ability's should he have?
lol you can't be serious, for a skin it looks fine, but nothing more then that :P

SK8ERatWAR wrote:

turkman wrote:
my suggestion is a soldier "nazi storm elite" like in moh airborne can you guys add this soldier on one of the doctrines or buildings?

http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs26/f/2008/111/e/9/MoH_Airborne__Nazi_Storm_Elite_by_PnzrKomandant1945.jpg

haha, and what kind of godly ability's should he have?
lol you can't be serious, for a skin it looks fine, but nothing more then that :P

+1

Werwolf wrote:

SK8ERatWAR wrote:

turkman wrote:
my suggestion is a soldier "nazi storm elite" like in moh airborne can you guys add this soldier on one of the doctrines or buildings?

http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs26/f/2008/111/e/9/MoH_Airborne__Nazi_Storm_Elite_by_PnzrKomandant1945.jpg

haha, and what kind of godly ability's should he have?
lol you can't be serious, for a skin it looks fine, but nothing more then that :P

+1

+1

Moonwalker wrote:

Werwolf wrote:

SK8ERatWAR wrote:

turkman wrote:
my suggestion is a soldier "nazi storm elite" like in moh airborne can you guys add this soldier on one of the doctrines or buildings?

http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs26/f/2008/111/e/9/MoH_Airborne__Nazi_Storm_Elite_by_PnzrKomandant1945.jpg

haha, and what kind of godly ability's should he have?
lol you can't be serious, for a skin it looks fine, but nothing more then that :P

+1

+1

+1

Seriously, this ain't Warhammer 40.000. Sure, CoH is still from the same Developers, but I think you meant another game, not EFmod.

-1
I don't like the skin. It's too... dark. I mean they shouldn't look like killers ( and they do). And I really can't imagine MG42 as primary weapon  :o

cephalos wrote:
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I don't like the skin. It's too... dark. I mean they shouldn't look like killers ( and they do). And I really can't imagine MG42 as primary weapon  :o

Just like fallschirmjagers with fg42 but with bad accuracy while moving (unless the enemy is close).

Last edited October 21, 2010 at 12:51 AM by blackbishop