Ostheer Update 7: Modernisation

Actually really, this Centurion is, besides the facts blackbiship mentioned no option for this mod.
The soviets were the "Tanker-nation" of the allied nations, and so they deserve this tank.

Oha blackjackbishop just gave us another hint  :P


Regards,
-V-

TheReaper wrote:

sniper_bow wrote:
- Wikipedia.

The wikipedia is probably not the best source. Sometimes it is less accurate, than when you go to a library. I read a tank commander's memoir about, that he got an IS3, and that was after the siege of budapest.

I would like to read that too :)... will be useful, what was the name of the book or wasn't a published one?

@Venoxxis
What hint ????

Venoxxis wrote:
The soviets were the "Tanker-nation" of the allied nations.

The Soviet Union wasn't part of the Allied Nations. ;)

blackbishop wrote:

TheReaper wrote:

sniper_bow wrote:
- Wikipedia.

The wikipedia is probably not the best source. Sometimes it is less accurate, than when you go to a library. I read a tank commander's memoir about, that he got an IS3, and that was after the siege of budapest.

I would like to read that too :)... will be useful, what was the name of the book or wasn't a published one?

It's the memoir of Pjotr Sztyepanovics Alihanov. He was in a regular infantry group and after he made it to the KV tank. Alihanov is live in the West all I know about him. The book is hungarian sadly, but surley it was translated.
http://moly.hu/konyvek/pjotr-sztyepanovics-alihanov-nemere-istvan-loveszezred

TheReaper wrote:

blackbishop wrote:

TheReaper wrote:

sniper_bow wrote:
- Wikipedia.

The wikipedia is probably not the best source. Sometimes it is less accurate, than when you go to a library. I read a tank commander's memoir about, that he got an IS3, and that was after the siege of budapest.

I would like to read that too :)... will be useful, what was the name of the book or wasn't a published one?

It's the memoir of Pjotr Sztyepanovics Alihanov. He was in a regular infantry group and after he made it to the KV tank. Alihanov is live in the West all I know about him. The book is hungarian sadly, but surley it was translated.
http://moly.hu/konyvek/pjotr-sztyepanovics-alihanov-nemere-istvan-loveszezred

Thanks.

Somebody has a thing for the Centurion. ::)

Besides, I looked it up. Ugly, boxxy thing. I prefer IS-3 better.

Ok, here it is. The Official EF Unit Inclusion Chart!



Such a valuable use of my time! :P

Last edited May 17, 2011 at 12:11 AM by BurroDiablo

http://www.armchairgeneral.com/rkkaww2/weapons/afv_production.htm#IS So iwas searchin for some data about production of this tank and that all i found.

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I know its a stupid question but how big mp/ammo drain he have ? im thinking about using his weaknes against him.

Last edited May 17, 2011 at 12:21 AM by Kashchei

BurroDiablo wrote:
Ok, here it is. The Official EF Unit Inclusion Chart!

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Such a valuable use of my time! :P

Nice chart :). I should post it on the Ostheer section, where is needed because the reward units for vanilla and soviet faction are pretty much done. Perhaps we should upload it at ModDB, a lot of users are confused about this there :).

Kashchei wrote:
http://www.armchairgeneral.com/rkkaww2/weapons/afv_production.htm#IS So iwas searchin for some data about production of this tank and that all i found.

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I know its a stupid question but how big mp/ammo drain he have ? im thinking about using his weaknes against him.

That information is useful as well :).

Each one earned one of these ;D:



For now has the same upkeep than IS-2, perhaps will be increased slighly.

BurroDiablo, are you saying that you are not going to add the Maus?! :o I am heartbroken! :'(

;D ;D ;D

lol. just saw some crazy people calling for the maus on moddb cause IS-3 made it into the game...not that i wasn't expecting it  :P

Ghost wrote:
i leave it for others to decide if the is-3 could be used in EF or not. historically it shouldn't but you can argue to keep up relic's sense of history and use it as a one-time call-in ;) (which the danger of some crazy people calling for a Maus ;D)

blackbishop wrote:
I don't think it would make a bad reward unit, but brits don't have anything to offer for that. Reward for the Comet? Don't think so, über tanks should be doctrinals and limited to one.

Besides we have a no writen rule that we'll make up to 2 reward units for each faction:

• US: M-18, T-17, Sherman 105, Sherman Jumbo


• Brits: Kangaroo, Staghound, Comet, RMC


• Wehr: Schwimmwagen Type 166, Geschutzwagen, Voss Tiger and Tiger Ace.


• PE: Schwimmwagen Type 128, Hotchkiss, Jagdpanzer IV and ???


• SU: KV series, SU-122, IS-3 and ???

So, there's no place for such unit... let alone that Lord Rommel will scold us again for including units with doubtful fighting reputation on ww2 ;).

To be honest, Voss Tiger is a waste of space and doesn't count as a reward unit. You guys should think about another reward unit for Wehr (not the Maus lol).

pariah wrote:
BurroDiablo, are you saying that you are not going to add the Maus?! :o I am heartbroken! :'(

;D ;D ;D

Why does it have to be the Maus?  >:(

The Voss tiger is only a skin unlocked by having ToV and completing the Tiger ace campaign. No statistical difference. The Tiger ace is a reward unit for the King Tiger of terror doctrine and is much better than a regular Tiger.

sorry i delete my question about Tigre// voss diferent normal tigre;;;thanks

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and YES..i believe wher 2 tigres and usa 2 pershing!!! and Tigre ACE8)
old boys....

Last edited May 17, 2011 at 4:18 AM by delmar77

blackbishop wrote:

• US: M-18, T-17, Sherman 105, Sherman Jumbo


• Brits: Kangaroo, Staghound, Comet, RMC


• Wehr: Schwimmwagen Type 166, Geschutzwagen, Voss Tiger and Tiger Ace.


• PE: Schwimmwagen Type 128, Hotchkiss, Jagdpanzer IV and ???


• SU: KV series, SU-122, IS-3 and ???

Just remembering the main suggestions/discussions for those spots
PE: Sturmtiger-Hummel or JagdTiger-JagdPanther
SU: Who knows :P

ATM more worried bout IS-3 and KV series to care all that much :D

Jagdtiger is out of EF :(. But i think the last reward unit for PE is going to surprise you :).

About the sturmtiger, Halftrack have a model (which uses in his mod, BotB) but we haven't asked him to use it so... it's not a Sturmtiger->Hummel but certainly is closer XD.

Last edited May 17, 2011 at 4:49 AM by blackbishop

Yeah not a bad guess lol.

Doesn't the Sturmtiger in BotB basically throw out a V1?

Wonder if the guys over on Moddb will find this acceptable. We could mod it into a V1 machine gun! Yay, For the Fatherland! and all that ballocks.

BurroDiablo wrote:
Doesn't the Sturmtiger in BotB basically throw out a V1?

sounds like a buff is in order

I hate UP useless units.

blackbishop wrote:
Jagdtiger is out of EF :(. But i think the last reward unit for PE is going to surprise you :).

About the sturmtiger, Halftrack have a model (which uses in his mod, BotB) but we haven't asked him to use it so... it's not a Sturmtiger->Hummel but certainly is closer XD.

The upcoming units you didnt mention are the hint :P, well i wasnt long time around here..
Do we get for EVERY faction all 4 reward units in the upcoming patch? o_O


another thing:

GodlikeDennis wrote:
To be honest, Voss Tiger is a waste of space and doesn't count as a reward unit. You guys should think about another reward unit for Wehr (not the Maus lol).

Actually this is a fact. Voss Tiger skin is:
1) just a skin
2) boring, because there are no stat changes
3) another Tiger

So, no reward units after all. Either it should be replaced or another reward unit should be added.

Regards,
-V-

Last edited May 17, 2011 at 8:11 AM by Venoxxis

Paladin88 wrote:

pariah wrote:
BurroDiablo, are you saying that you are not going to add the Maus?! :o I am heartbroken! :'(

;D ;D ;D

Why does it have to be the Maus?  >:(

because it is a stupid super tank, and people love stupid super tanks.

@venoxxis maybe you missed the memo, we said hauptman schultz Black tiger ace is a reward now for the king tiger. it takes the place of the old jagtiger. 4 units total


think of the black tiger as a faster tiger, with more hitpoints. very, very dangerous
it is better suited to offensive role than the standard tiger, but at the same time the vet 3 blitz tiger is more survivable IMO with the vet mods it gets like damage reduction, more HP, and deflection modifier. plus you can always call another in. slap the voss skin on it and you're big pimpin 8)

Last edited May 17, 2011 at 8:40 AM by RedGuard

No, I think he understands fine. He's probably more excited than any other single person on here about it. We're discussing the pointlessness of including the Voss Tiger skin in the 4 reward per faction limit.

The Soviets only get 3 rewards in the next patch. Propaganda doctrine is completely redone as well though so I guess that sort of counts. I wonder if anyone can guess what the new PE unit will be before it's announced (who isn't a dev, tester or translator of course).

Last edited May 17, 2011 at 9:23 AM by GodlikeDennis

Isn't the fourth Soviet reward unit ready to be implemented?  ???

GodlikeDennis wrote:
No, I think he understands fine. He's probably more excited than any other single person on here about it. We're discussing the pointlessness of including the Voss Tiger skin in the 4 reward per faction limit.

ohhh, well I'd have to agree. A skin shouldnt count as a 4th and final reward unit. it wouldn't be fair. So im with you guys on that

There is no 4th Soviet reward yet Maxi.

The PE unit is not another KT.

@ Hypersnyper999 for one i'm not a centurion lover you chopper and what this has to do with the eastern front? I dunno maybe you should ask why the eastern front devs added RMC as reward unit when its all about the eastern front. I'm not bothered that the IS 3 will be in the game and the centurion won't be in the game and never will be... who cares i'm looking forward to all the stuff that the devs are up to including the next update and the Ostheer, just because i have less posts than you doesn't give you the divine right to try and be little me on a public forum either you registered the day after me on this forum but i don't hold this against you C.R.O.W. "kaaa.... kaaa"  so wind your neck in.

IS3 never fought in europe and loads of sources other than wikipedia say this as well, plus soviet combat records have no records of it ever fighting on the eastern front and it was DEPLOYED to manchuria in august 1945 and never fought and it soon got replaced, atleast there was the centurion mk1 in europe in may 1945 so much as myth could be said about the IS3 plus the centurion went on to a distinguished career, and i doubt the same could be said about the IS3 even in foreign armies such as egypt.

"IS-3 was reported by several German units, both in Pomerania to the north and in Vienna to the south, but none of those sightings are confirmed by ANY Soviet source - and the Vienna sighting is definitely fake, because we can track the equipment of every Soviet tank unit that was there.
In fact, I have identified four Guards Heavy Tank Regiments that were sent to the rear in 1945 to be retrained and re-equipped with the iS-3. They were:
35th Guards Tank Regiment - sent back to the Belorussian-Litovsk District on 20 April 1945
67th and 113th Guards Tank Regiments, both sent back to the L'vov District on 21 April 1945
113th Guards Tank Regiment, formed from the 121st Guards SU Regiment in February 1945 and never returned to the front.
Note that none of these units returned to the front, or even to the command of any H in the Active Army at the front, before the war ended.
Interestingly, there are NO heavy tank regiments that go into reserve in late 1944-early 1945 and then return to the front, so there was no opportunity for a unit to be equipped and trained on the new vehicles and then get back into the fight before the war (in Europe) ended.
Finally, none of this means that knowledge of the IS-3 was absent from front-line Soviet tankers, and therefore available to the Germans from POW reports. Remember that part of the training of Soviet tank crewmen took place at the tank factories, so members in training in late 1944 could very likely have seen IS-3s being assembled and taken that knowledge back to the front before the end of the war. I have copies of POW interrogations from early 1943 in which Soviet tankers described the new "T-43" tank to the Germans - a vehicle that was only built as a prototype and never fielded at all! It would not surprise me at all to find similar reports on the IS-3 being built in much larger numbers just before the war ended..."
arm chair general

"The first test group of JS-3's left the factory gates in mid-May 1945. Despite western opinion (usually I hear about JS-3's seen on the streets of Vienna/Berlin), JS-3 tanks weren't involved in battles on the Eastern Front. The participation of JS-3's in Far Eastern Front battles (in August 1945) is still unverified: at least one tank regiment of JS-3 tanks was sent, but Soviet combat records don't confirm any actual combat. Although never available in large numbers, it was for a decade the most powerful tank in the world and a major influence on subsequent tank designs. After the war the IS-3 was supplied to the Soviet bloc countries of Czechoslovakia, the German Democratic Republic (DDR, East Germany), and Poland; it was also exported to Egypt, Libya, and Syria."
Airlandseaweapons.com
I'd suggest using that chart yourself burrodiablo you wee dundarheeed

Aye, also hoping the Voss Tiger isn't counting towards the Reward Unit limit for Wehr.

Two reward Tigers seems abit much, especially when there's already one in game anyhow.

Cheers

If we look at more recent history, insulting the devs never seems to get people very far.

Regardless of whether it was fielded or not, which is debatable but you can't rule it out, the tank can be plausibly fielded in the Soviet unit roster. The same cannot be said for the Centurion which just doesn't fit within the British faction.

GodlikeDennis wrote:[...]I wonder if anyone can guess what the new PE unit will be before it's announced (who isn't a dev, tester or translator of course).

as i have no idea i'll throw in the Nashorn  ;)

Venoxxis wrote:

GodlikeDennis wrote:
To be honest, Voss Tiger is a waste of space and doesn't count as a reward unit. You guys should think about another reward unit for Wehr (not the Maus lol).

Actually this is a fact. Voss Tiger skin is:
1) just a skin
2) boring, because there are no stat changes
3) another Tiger

So, no reward units after all. Either it should be replaced or another reward unit should be added.

+1, it should stay as a reward for the tiger, but shouldn't be counted as a real reward unit.

Last edited May 17, 2011 at 12:24 PM by Ghost

blackbishop wrote:
Jagdtiger is out of EF

Why??  :'( :'(

I love that tank destroyer.  :D

Pssshhhh, Ostheeer doesn't need maus. As long as they have E-100  ;D


JK JK JK JK JK JK JK JK JK JK JK!

GodlikeDennis wrote:
No, I think he understands fine. He's probably more excited than any other single person on here about it. We're discussing the pointlessness of including the Voss Tiger skin in the 4 reward per faction limit.
[...]

Yep he got it. I throw that idea in once, after the devs confirmed it & so i created my signature ;)

For the PE reward, if its so "unguessable" than it should be an non-german unit :P
Or infantry? :D

Regards,
-V-

I didn't say it's unguessable, just that it would be interesting to see the responses. There might not actually be a 4th PE reward unit at all and I'm just playing a mean trick on you all :P.

Please, Stop IS3 blablabla... Focus in MOdernization... the tec tree is fine? Kwagen is similiar jeep?  the focus the marksman...fire one por second?

thanks....

@ Blackbishop
Besides we have a no writen rule that we'll make up to 2 reward units for each faction:

US: M-18, T-17, Sherman 105, Sherman Jumbo
Brits: Kangaroo, Staghound, Comet, RMC
Wehr: Schwimmwagen Type 166, Geschutzwagen, Voss Tiger and Tiger Ace.
PE: Schwimmwagen Type 128, Hotchkiss, Jagdpanzer IV and  ???
SU: KV series, SU-122, IS-3 and  ???

Replace Voss Tiger with Sturmtiger and add a Nashorn to the PE

I would also love to see a PaK 43/41 for the Wehr as a replacement for the PaK 38. 8)
A good view of some more angles. http://www.flamesofwar.com/?tabid=53&art_id=653

Just a thought....

Last edited May 17, 2011 at 3:45 PM by HerrVoss

@HerrVoss: An 88 (though it's just the PaK43) for Wehrmacht T2 sounds veeery OP to me. Nevertheless, I like your idea of Nashorn for PE.

i also think that a stormtiger works better with terror doctrin than tiger ace, but this would make terror op i think.

i actually hope last reward unit for pe will be the jagdtiger which replace the jagdpanther

evilSpike wrote:
i also think that a stormtiger works better with terror doctrin than tiger ace, but this would make terror op i think.

i actually hope last reward unit for pe will be the jagdtiger which replace the jagdpanther

It's like replacing T-34/85 with IS-2  ::)

Maybe the PaK 43/41 to replace the 88 in defensive to give a mobile alternative. Also a 5 man crew seems like it would fit.

HerrVoss wrote:
Maybe the PaK 43/41 to replace the 88 in defensive to give a mobile alternative. Also a 5 man crew seems like it would fit.

Mmmm...mobile 88 ?? OP...  ;)

Moonwalker wrote:

HerrVoss wrote:
Maybe the PaK 43/41 to replace the 88 in defensive to give a mobile alternative. Also a 5 man crew seems like it would fit.

Mmmm...mobile 88 ?? OP...  ;)

It could have to lock down before firing..  ;)

MaxiKing6 wrote:

Moonwalker wrote:

HerrVoss wrote:
Maybe the PaK 43/41 to replace the 88 in defensive to give a mobile alternative. Also a 5 man crew seems like it would fit.

Mmmm...mobile 88 ?? OP...  ;)

It could have to lock down before firing..  ;)

Only if it would lock down forever.

IJoe wrote:

MaxiKing6 wrote:

Moonwalker wrote:

HerrVoss wrote:
Maybe the PaK 43/41 to replace the 88 in defensive to give a mobile alternative. Also a 5 man crew seems like it would fit.

Mmmm...mobile 88 ?? OP...  ;)

It could have to lock down before firing..  ;)

Only if it would lock down forever.

In this way it's senseless havin' a MOBILE 88mm...
But Maxi hit!  ;)

Anyway I think there's a apposite topic for Reward Units speculation.  ;)

What the hell is it with people who are like "Maus Maus! IS-3 IS-3! Some other barely World War II tank! Rabble Rabble!"

The more people whine about Maus and other stupid tanks, the more and more I hate the diea of the IS-3. It's a cool tank, but this entire super mega tank obsession is getting annoying.

Tell that to Relic - "KT! KT!"  ;D ;D

IJoe wrote:
Tell that to Relic - "KT! KT!"  ;D ;D

The king tiger was a widely used tank in ww2 that saw action on all fronts. Don't let my PaK 43/41 question die without a devs answer.

Ninja burros Chart


Bring in the maus!

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