Ostheer Update 7: Modernisation

So you do.
This is info from the ministry of defense site  ;D ;D ;D

IJoe wrote:
88 armor-piercing round was unable to penetrate IS-3 frontal armor from 100 meter distance

Thats what i mean. Sounds quite unrealistic

IJoe wrote:
So you do.
This is info from the ministry of defense site  ;D ;D ;D

Depends...which countries ministry?  ;)

Cranialwizard wrote:

IJoe wrote:
So you do.
This is info from the ministry of defense site  ;D ;D ;D

Depends...which countries ministry?  ;)

Not really: KT main gun penetrated up to 200mm of armor, tower armor of IS-3 was 250mm.

IJoe wrote:

Cranialwizard wrote:

IJoe wrote:
So you do.
This is info from the ministry of defense site  ;D ;D ;D

Depends...which countries ministry?  ;)

Not really: KT main gun penetrated up to 200mm of armor, tower armor of IS-3 was 250mm.

No I meant which country's ministry, excuse me.

As in the information could be bi-ist. Different sources?

Cranialwizard wrote:

IJoe wrote:

Cranialwizard wrote:

IJoe wrote:
So you do.
This is info from the ministry of defense site  ;D ;D ;D

Depends...which countries ministry?  ;)

Not really: KT main gun penetrated up to 200mm of armor, tower armor of IS-3 was 250mm.

No I meant which country's ministry, excuse me.

As in the information could be bi-ist. Different sources?

Well, obviously not the third reich's one.
How does that affect the thickness of the frontal armor (BTW up to 200mm penetration means in best conditions - cast steel in a perpendicular position to projectile, while IS-3 armor was welded and sloped)

Last edited May 15, 2011 at 11:13 PM by IJoe

I don't think that discussion is going to lead anywhere ::).

Yeah, guys, stop talking about real life when you should be talking about how cool it would be for the Ostheer to have the Maus! ;D

so when we modernize the war camp, we lose the FlaK-38 in exchange for the panzer II? as well is there going to be some soviot reward units in the next update?

Thats right. To compensate, we gave the Sdkfz a Flak38 upgrade incase you want to save your fuel and not build a Luchs.

pariah wrote:
Yeah, guys, stop talking about real life when you should be talking about how cool it would be for the Ostheer to have the Maus! ;D

I swear to god I'm going to go back in time and kill the dickhead (which appears to be Ferdinand Porsche) who even can up with the idea of the Maus, i'm sick of hearing about it.

Not angry at you Paciat, but some people genuinely think that now the IS3 has been added the Maus stands a chance. Seriously, the IS3 is like a King Tiger. King Tiger is already in the game. IS3 does not equate to a Maus because the Maus was an utter failure... fucking logic, how does it work?!

BurroDiablo wrote:
I swear to god I'm going to go back in time and kill the dickhead (which appears to be Ferdinand Porsche) who even can up with the idea of the Maus, i'm sick of hearing about it.

Not angry at you Paciat, but some people genuinely think that now the IS3 has been added the Maus stands a chance. Seriously, the IS3 is like a King Tiger. King Tiger is already in the game. IS3 does not equate to a Maus because the Maus was an utter failure... fucking logic, how does it work?!

Well I think if the germans had another year they may have perfected the Maus, but nonetheless, you're right. I'm going to put you in my sig too :D

Cranialwizard wrote:

BurroDiablo wrote:
I swear to god I'm going to go back in time and kill the dickhead (which appears to be Ferdinand Porsche) who even can up with the idea of the Maus, i'm sick of hearing about it.

Not angry at you Paciat, but some people genuinely think that now the IS3 has been added the Maus stands a chance. Seriously, the IS3 is like a King Tiger. King Tiger is already in the game. IS3 does not equate to a Maus because the Maus was an utter failure... fucking logic, how does it work?!

Well I think if the germans had another year they may have perfected the Maus, but nonetheless, you're right. I'm going to put you in my sig too :D

the germans probably would have perfected alot of there weapons systems, given a year but by then they proably would have been nuked by the USA by then. though alot of cool stuff propably would have likly been created or proposed in that time. the germans were inovatores on the highest level.

Cranialwizard wrote:
Well I think if the germans had another year they may have perfected the Maus

I doubt it, the Maus was an inherently bad idea from the start, after the war many countries and tank designers saw this. Allied Nations took German Rocket technology, Aircraft technology, Automatic Rifle technology, but the Maus had no impact on future tank design whatsoever. The concept of Super-Heavy Tanks died soon afterwards, even the the Cold War and impending nuclear doom couldn't brew up enthusiasm for super-heavies.

The Chinese get overlord tanks in C&C Generals :P.

Seriously, that's enough from people about the Maus. The IS3 is a heavy tank, like the Tiger, KT, Jagdpanther, IS2 and Pershing. It functions very similar to the Tiger ace, being fast and powerful but not a moving fortress like the KT. Stop speculating about it's stats, you'll all see soon enough.

Nice Feature. Here is my German summary: Link

:Poh, when? when? when?

yoshkine wrote:
:Poh, when? when? when?

Dear god if I hear that question...

Read my signature. That was a post from Lord Rommel from the LAST update.

yoshkine wrote:
:Poh, when? when? when?

Tomorrow ;D

yoshkine wrote:
:Poh, when? when? when?

ಠ-ಠ *sigh*

P.S. YAY KUBELWAGEN

Last edited May 16, 2011 at 12:11 PM by Raider217

BurroDiablo wrote:I swear to god I'm going to go back in time and kill the dickhead (which appears to be Ferdinand Porsche) who even can up with the idea of the Maus, i'm sick of hearing about it.

Epic phrase, put it in the Home Page!  :D :D

@Devs: If you can't write ü, ä and ö. Try ue, ae and oe. Kubelwagen, Schutzen War Camp, Brummbar... and so on is burning my German eyes ;)

Some of the devs are actually German, but for some reason they don't like using umlauts. :-\

I know, maybe it's just purpose (for zhe atmozphere)

Personally, i don't think making the Germans more 'English' is helping anything. ;)

Wow guys looks really good :)

And man I can't believe some people complaining about the balance of the IS-3 or if it should be added.....

IT'S A BIG ASS TANK!!!!

Of course it should be added ;)

And as for the balance, if the mod team says it's balanced, it's balanced lol

Morvagor wrote:
Nice Feature. Here is my German summary: Link

Nice presentation :).

Morvagor wrote:
I know, maybe it's just purpose (for zhe atmozphere)

AFAIK Schutzen War Camp was named like that because of what you said. Aboutthe other units, could be a typo :P... don't remember if in CoH use umlauts.

Last edited May 16, 2011 at 3:25 PM by blackbishop

Cool. I will definitely come back when the Ostheer faction is done.

blackbishop wrote:

Morvagor wrote:
I know, maybe it's just purpose (for zhe atmozphere)

AFAIK Schutzen War Camp was named like that because of what you said. Aboutthe other units, could be a typo :P... don't remember if in CoH use umlauts.

And Morvagor keep in mind; german names will be different from the english ones ^^ Just look at your translations trials xD This wont be cool german names, or.
Pssttt...Versuch es mal mit Infanteriegefechtsstand, Grenadiergefechtsstand und Panzergefechtsstand.

MaxiKing6 wrote:
..or even with a Tetrarch ;)

Tetrarch beats King Tiger

RULE BRITANNIA!!!!!  8)

IJoe wrote:

Cranialwizard wrote:

IJoe wrote:

Cranialwizard wrote:

IJoe wrote:
So you do.
This is info from the ministry of defense site  ;D ;D ;D

Depends...which countries ministry?  ;)

Not really: KT main gun penetrated up to 200mm of armor, tower armor of IS-3 was 250mm.

No I meant which country's ministry, excuse me.

As in the information could be bi-ist. Different sources?

Well, obviously not the third reich's one.
How does that affect the thickness of the frontal armor (BTW up to 200mm penetration means in best conditions - cast steel in a perpendicular position to projectile, while IS-3 armor was welded and sloped)

Just a note:
1) Its 203mm
2) its NOT prependicular, its sloped back at 30°
3) these tests were done with welded plates. Actually with welded ones, with brinell hardness number of 235-309

source: "Tiger I&II Kampf und Taktik von Thomas L. Jentz"


Its just soo odd to hear that like propaganda data from IJoe ;)


Regards,
-V-

Last edited May 16, 2011 at 5:46 PM by Venoxxis

Kübelwagen...so? take poits? fire in ruskies? :-\  put traps? really  985cc Motor -> 1.131cc Moto Nice... suuuuper  what?  ::)
Help me Devs... more specific?
S-mine  cust?


But the IDEIA is totally Fantastic and congrats

@delmar77:

Kübelwagen will have an MG to "fire in ruskies" as you say. It will be similar to the US Jeep. For capturing points you have your 2 Landser squads in the beginning and Panzer II "Luchs" later.

schinwagen copy c+v = Kwagen ?

and S-mine..munition $$?

Seeme wrote:

yoshkine wrote:
:Poh, when? when? when?

Tomorrow ;D

Is that some kind of sick joke? Or is the beta really going to be released tuesday, May 17?

this initial source is gamereplays but this is a hint that its right around the corner - I'm still not going to get excited or pick a date yet though, sllloowwww relic
Ok ill guess Ill say ANOTHER MONTH!

The final installment in question and answer session with Taylor "Mora" Fales today.
COH Retail Patch Q&A Part III
http://www.gamereplays.org/community/index.php?showtopic=774624

^there was a good bit of information in this Q&A about the actual balancing process and their balancers etc. worthwile read for any of our team

I think Seeme was joiking but if hes right we know to pump him for any future information ;D

Last edited May 16, 2011 at 8:00 PM by RedGuard

Now this is one badass tank, get it in you know you want to, possibly as a Centurion Mk1 as they were built during ww2 lol.

"An Australian Army Mk 3 Centurion Type K, Army Registration Number 169041, was involved in a nuclear blast test at Emu Field in Australia in 1953 as part of Operation Totem 1. Built as number 39/190 at the Royal Ordnance Factory, Barnbow in 1951 it was assigned the British Army number 06 BA 16 and supplied to the Australian Commonwealth Government under Contract 2843 in 1952.

It was placed less than 500 yards (460 m) from the epicentre and left with the engine running. Examination after detonation found it had been pushed away from the blast point by about 5 feet (1.5 m) and that its engine had stopped working only because it had run out of fuel. Antennas were missing, lights and periscopes were heavily sandblasted, the cloth mantlet cover was incinerated, and the armoured side plates had been blown off and carried up to 200 yards (180 m) from the tank. Remarkably the tank could be driven from the site. Had it been manned the crew would probably have been killed by the shock wave.

169041, subsequently nicknamed The Atomic Tank, was later used in the Vietnam War and is now located at Robertson Barracks in Palmerston, Northern Territory. Although other tanks were subjected to nuclear tests, 169041 is the only tank known to have withstood atomic tests and subsequently gone on for another 23 years of service, including 15 months on operational deployment in a war zone.

Oh, yeah, i totally forgot that W.W.II stretched into the 1950s! ::)

What does that have anything to do with the Soviets or the eastern front?

Although it must've sucked for the crew to drive a tank probably covered in radioactive particles.

If thats correct it would appear the brits beat the soviets in creating the nuclear safe tank by a few years

soviets first was the t54/55

I sometimes dream 'what-if' the war dragged on another decade into the late 50's early 60's. we would been able to see all the badass new series of tanks and weapons slug it out. like the rise of the cold war main battle tanks vs super heavys. and the always classic m16 vs AK47 haha

hey thats actually a awesome idea for a mod!

Last edited May 16, 2011 at 8:16 PM by RedGuard

pariah wrote:
Oh, yeah, i totally forgot that W.W.II stretched into the 1950s! ::)

lol ;D.

I don't think brits need one of those.

@pariah because i said the war went into the 1950's didn't i? crow bag  :P

IS-3 fought in WW2, in small numbers though, but was a functional model and wasn't a prototype (or at least not in the same condition than the Centurion). In other hand the production of Centurions started in 1946.

I don't claim that the Centurion Mk1 fought in ww2 - "Manufacture of the Centurion began in January 1945, and six prototypes arrived in Belgium soon after the war in Europe ended in May 1945" - Wikipedia.

I thought the IS-3 was only deployed to Manchuria in 1945 pretty similar to the centurion being rushed into germany in may 1945

"The IS-3 came too late to see action in World War II. Though some older sources claim that the tank saw action at the end of the war in Europe, there are no official reports to confirm this. It is now generally accepted that the tank saw no action against the Germans, although one regiment may have been deployed against the Japanese in Manchuria" - Wikipedia.

Now i'm not debating it being in the game i see this as a good thing and i'm not trying to say you must have a centurion Mk1 in the game either, but i've searched the internet to find an IS-3 in combat during ww2 and came up with nothing so far...

sniper_bow wrote:
I don't claim that the Centurion Mk1 fought in ww2 - "Manufacture of the Centurion began in January 1945, and six prototypes arrived in Belgium soon after the war in Europe ended in May 1945" - Wikipedia.

I thought the IS-3 was only deployed to Manchuria in 1945 pretty similar to the centurion being rushed into germany in may 1945

"The IS-3 came too late to see action in World War II. Though some older sources claim that the tank saw action at the end of the war in Europe, there are no official reports to confirm this. It is now generally accepted that the tank saw no action against the Germans, although one regiment may have been deployed against the Japanese in Manchuria" - Wikipedia.

Now i'm not debating it being in the game i see this as a good thing and i'm not trying to say you must have a centurion Mk1 in the game either, but i've searched the internet to find an IS-3 in combat during ww2 and came up with nothing so far...

I don't think you will find it otherwise we wouldn't have to think it twice to add it. Possibly all the tests of the IS-3 in WW2 surely were covered, and unlike the T-44 (that wasn't approved, hence released the information) will never be known.

Now, RMC won't have the Centurion, not only because they already have the Comet (we could argue that soviets already have IS-2 and ISU-152 in that case)... but because won't fit with RMC, where would you put it if would be allowed to be there?? We need to make sure where this stuff goes before thinking how good it looks.

Thankyou for being honest, regarding my opinion, having a grown up discussion and meeting me half way.
Centurion Mk1 couldn't fit in the game even as a reward unit for the kangaroo carrier?

If it can survive a nuclear explosion, then i would say it's about on par with the Kangaroo Carrier. :D

Kangaroo Carrier is a Reward Unit too...it can't be replaced.

sniper_bow wrote:
Thankyou for being honest, regarding my opinion, having a grown up discussion and meeting me half way.
Centurion Mk1 couldn't fit in the game even as a reward unit for the kangaroo carrier?

brits have all their reward slots already in use, roo replaces the cromwell. brits have the Comet, dont forget, which is already one of the best tanks in the game! :)

I find one time callins and super heavys opposite to coh brit doctrine, there's multiple balance issues there. I guess you could say super tanks just aren't the brits cup of tea

ps- sniper your the one millionth poster to try and tarnish IS-3's credability as a legitimate addition - in an attempt to advance their own agendas

Last edited May 16, 2011 at 9:34 PM by RedGuard

I don't think it would make a bad reward unit, but brits don't have anything to offer for that. Reward for the Comet? Don't think so, über tanks should be doctrinals and limited to one.

Besides we have a no writen rule that we'll make up to 2 reward units for each faction:

• US: M-18, T-17, Sherman 105, Sherman Jumbo


• Brits: Kangaroo, Staghound, Comet, RMC


• Wehr: Schwimmwagen Type 166, Geschutzwagen, Voss Tiger and Tiger Ace.


• PE: Schwimmwagen Type 128, Hotchkiss, Jagdpanzer IV and ???


• SU: KV series, SU-122, IS-3 and ???

So, there's no place for such unit... let alone that Lord Rommel will scold us again for including units with doubtful fighting reputation on ww2 ;).

sniper_bow wrote:
- Wikipedia.

The wikipedia is probably not the best source. Sometimes it is less accurate, than when you go to a library. I read a tank commander's memoir about, that he got an IS3, and that was after the siege of budapest.