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Ostheer Update 7: Modernisation

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Ostheer Update 7: Modernisation

May 15, 2011 at 1:18 AM

I guess you wonder what we would post if most of the Ostheer is already known. You couldn't be more wrong ;).

Modernisation?? What's that? April's fools again? How it works? Had to do with veterancy?

Modernisation is an Ostheer ability that let them use better equipment on the battlefield, reflecting the change of weapons, units and strategies used in the Eastern Front campaign while it lasted.

We can ilustrate how it works:

Your landser squad starts with their 5 K98s and if purchase the upgrade, the squad leader will use a MP40. After modernisation, squad leaders will swap his MP40 for a new MP44. The Marksman will use a MKb.42 Scoped semi-auto, but after modernisation he will use the scoped MP44. Some unit types will extend the bonus to existant units, others will affect only the units created after the upgrade is done.

Of course, this doesn't affect only infantry, but support weapons and tanks as well. There are three modernisation upgrades, for three groups of units (Tanks, Infantry, Support Weapons) all of them availabe on the HQ; each one has different cost so, it's up to you to decide what group you prefer to upgrade.

Each upgrade will be available to purchase so you can purchase them whenever you want, if you have the resources; the purchased upgrade or upgrades will remain until the game ends and you won't be able to recruit "outdated" equipment. The list of changes by buildings are:

Infanterie Gruppen Post:
Modernisation Cost - 330MP, 45FU

Landser Squad leader: MP40 -> StG44

MG Team: MG34 -> MG34/41 (Gains more or less the same stats as Wehr MG42)

Marksman: MKb.42 Scoped semi-auto -> StG Scoped full auto

AT Team: PzB 39 (Panzerbüchse Zug) -> Panzershreck (Ofenrohr Zug)

Kübelwagen: 985cc Engine -> 1.131cc Engine (Increase speed. Free with modernisation. Upgrades vehicles in field)

Schutzen War Camp:
Modernisation Cost - 450MP, 80FU

FlaK-38: PzII Luchs unlocked (Replaces towed Flak-38)

Panzerfusiliers: MP40 -> StG44

Panzerwerfer: Research becomes available upon modernisation completion.

Stormpioniers: Regular mines -> S-Mines(AP)/Teller Mines(AT)

Troop Halftrack: 2x MG34's -> Optional FlaK-38 (Sdkfz 251/17) upgrade for better AI (45 muni)

PaK36: Pak40 unlocked

LeIG18: 'Hollow-Charge Shell' ability unlocked. Grants LeIG18 greater AT abilities (30muni, 90 cooldown)

Panzer Kampf Kommand
Modernisation Cost - 520MP, 120FU

Panzer III: Gains additional armour on hull front and gun mantlet (Free with modernisation. Upgrades tanks in field)

StuG III: Improvised Armour upgrade -> Armoured Skirts upgrade (25 muni)

Panther Ausf.G: Available upon modernisation completion.

Marder II: 'Tungsten Core Shell' ability unlocked. Significant damage to Tanks. (40 muni, 90 cooldown)

Brummbar: Available upon modernisation completion.

As you surely have noticed, the towed flak 38 was changed from T1 to T2, and a kubelwagen now replaces it. It's better now, due to the flak 38 is too strong to be in that building and nerfing to oblivion wouldn't be the solution.

Modernisation is a different concept than veterancy... but that's another story and will be discussed in the future ;). See you next time.

Meanwhile from the front...

Mors Indecepta

Might controls everything, and without strength you cannot protect anything. Let alone yourself...

Last edited August 23, 2011 at 11:01 PM by Rizz

#69163

Re: Ostheer Update 7: Modernisation!!

May 15, 2011 at 1:31 AM

is that cool or is that cool ??
IS-3 ?

wow
i love you guys

Last edited May 15, 2011 at 1:33 AM by evilSpike

#69164

Re: Ostheer Update 7: Modernisation!!

May 15, 2011 at 1:46 AM

evilSpike wrote:
is that cool or is that cool ??
IS-3 ?

wow
i love you guys

It depends on the stats. Otherwise it's just a skin.
But the skin is nice. Well, at least the way it looks on the screenshot.

If you want a picture of the future,
imagine a boot stamping on a human face
— forever.

Last edited May 15, 2011 at 2:07 AM by IJoe

#69165

Re: Ostheer Update 7: Modernisation!!

May 15, 2011 at 1:54 AM

That is incredible!!!!! You guys are the best!

Ostheer is a new German faction for this mod.
It will be done when it is done.
Keep mapping and modeling.
Tell a friend about EF.

#69166

Re: Ostheer Update 7: Modernisation!!

May 15, 2011 at 2:14 AM

IJoe wrote:
evilSpike wrote:
is that cool or is that cool ??
IS-3 ?

wow
i love you guys

It depends on the stats. Otherwise it's just a skin.
But the skin is nice. Well, at least the way it looks on the screenshot.

Stats doesn't matter. Will be an IS-3 even if a fly could take it down ::).

Mors Indecepta

Might controls everything, and without strength you cannot protect anything. Let alone yourself...

#69167

Re: Ostheer Update 7: Modernisation!!

May 15, 2011 at 2:20 AM

The entirety of you reply slipped away from my mind...
I didn't argue the fact, that you will include it, just said that the "coolness" of the event is not only measured by the looks of it. ::)

If you want a picture of the future,
imagine a boot stamping on a human face
— forever.

#69168

Re: Ostheer Update 7: Modernisation!!

May 15, 2011 at 2:22 AM

IS-3 vs a king tiger. Epic match up. That shot looks like it just came out of a WW2 movie!

Ostheer is a new German faction for this mod.
It will be done when it is done.
Keep mapping and modeling.
Tell a friend about EF.

#69169

Re: Ostheer Update 7: Modernisation!!

May 15, 2011 at 2:35 AM

isn't it beautiful? comrades 8)

im in love :-*

Soviet is OP

Last edited May 15, 2011 at 2:40 AM by RedGuard

#69171

Re: Ostheer Update 7: Modernisation!!

May 15, 2011 at 2:58 AM

It's even better in action :).

If you get into an argument with me, you're wrong.

#69172

Re: Ostheer Update 7: Modernisation!!

May 15, 2011 at 3:00 AM

I hope that the IS-3 is not really going to be in here, because it never saw action against the Germans in WW2.
Quote from wikipedia: The IS-3 came too late to see action in World War II. Though some older sources claim that the tank saw action at the end of the war in Europe, there are no official reports to confirm this. It is now generally accepted that the tank saw no action against the Germans, although one regiment may have been deployed against the Japanese in Manchuria.

"Stop playing the fool!"

#69173

Re: Ostheer Update 7: Modernisation!!

May 15, 2011 at 3:01 AM

Goober wrote:
I hope that the IS-3 is not really going to be in here, because it never saw action against the Germans in WW2.
Quote from wikipedia: The IS-3 came too late to see action in World War II. Though some older sources claim that the tank saw action at the end of the war in Europe, there are no official reports to confirm this. It is now generally accepted that the tank saw no action against the Germans, although one regiment may have been deployed against the Japanese in Manchuria.

That's enough for the mod, IMO.

If you want a picture of the future,
imagine a boot stamping on a human face
— forever.

#69174

Re: Ostheer Update 7: Modernisation!!

May 15, 2011 at 3:04 AM

Hmmmmm.....okay. The Ostheer update looks pretty good, but isn't that going to be ALOT of fuel, just to get the panther?

"Stop playing the fool!"

#69175

Re: Ostheer Update 7: Modernisation!!

May 15, 2011 at 3:05 AM

Goober wrote:
I hope that the IS-3 is not really going to be in here, because it never saw action against the Germans in WW2.
Quote from wikipedia: The IS-3 came too late to see action in World War II. Though some older sources claim that the tank saw action at the end of the war in Europe, there are no official reports to confirm this. It is now generally accepted that the tank saw no action against the Germans, although one regiment may have been deployed against the Japanese in Manchuria.

we've been through this before - get over it

Soviet is OP

#69176

Re: Ostheer Update 7: Modernisation!!

May 15, 2011 at 3:07 AM

But the soviets already have ISU-152 and buildable IS-2.

IS-3 would be cool in the campaign or something, though.

"Stop playing the fool!"

#69177

Re: Ostheer Update 7: Modernisation!!

May 15, 2011 at 3:08 AM

IJoe wrote:
Goober wrote:
I hope that the IS-3 is not really going to be in here, because it never saw action against the Germans in WW2.
Quote from wikipedia: The IS-3 came too late to see action in World War II. Though some older sources claim that the tank saw action at the end of the war in Europe, there are no official reports to confirm this. It is now generally accepted that the tank saw no action against the Germans, although one regiment may have been deployed against the Japanese in Manchuria.

That's enough for the mod, IMO.

Well, @IJoe nailed the idea. Besides it has been explained a couple of times, there's no way for us to check that information... however the IS-3 is the pinnacle of soviet armour... would be wrong if doesn't appears in the only Eastern Front mod available by now.

Please don't start suggesting crap like Maus, E-Series or other tanks that were only failure prototypes or didn't pass from the designer scrapbook.

@IJoe
IS-3 is a fine tank :)... however it only can be called once, like a KT.

Goober wrote:
But the soviets already have ISU-152 and buildable IS-2.

And wehr has panthers and that doesn't mean anything. But don't worry IS-3 will be a reward unit.

Mors Indecepta

Might controls everything, and without strength you cannot protect anything. Let alone yourself...

#69178

Re: Ostheer Update 7: Modernisation!!

May 15, 2011 at 3:09 AM

Im sorry goober its obvious youre against it - theres many things we may agree with or disagree with about this game but at the end we cant get everything we want or dont want

the IS-3 is masterpiece try to embrace it :)

Soviet is OP

#69179

Re: Ostheer Update 7: Modernisation!!

May 15, 2011 at 3:11 AM

The IS-3 is a great tank and all I know, but it's just the balance I'm concerned about... Could it possibly be a reward unit for ISU-152? And don't worry, Mauss is not at all on my mind.

"Stop playing the fool!"

#69180

Re: Ostheer Update 7: Modernisation!!

May 15, 2011 at 3:17 AM

yes it could possibly be that ;) and dont worry about balance i've used the IS-3 its completely balanced. :P

I think a lot of soviet fans will be very happy when they see this, as axis fans were when they first found out about the ferdinand ;D

Soviet is OP

#69182

Re: Ostheer Update 7: Modernisation!!

May 15, 2011 at 3:19 AM

Goober wrote:
The IS-3 is a great tank and all I know, but it's just the balance I'm concerned about... Could it possibly be a reward unit for ISU-152? And don't worry, Mauss is not at all on my mind.

That Maus note wasn't aimed at you XD... just write to because was something necessary for the other users reading this that could have thought that would be an opportunity.

And yes, IS-3 is the reward unit of the ISU-152 ;).

Mors Indecepta

Might controls everything, and without strength you cannot protect anything. Let alone yourself...

#69194

Re: Ostheer Update 7: Modernisation!!

May 15, 2011 at 3:42 AM

Okay, sorry for my previous whining, I see how this will all fall into place..... :D

"Stop playing the fool!"

#69195

Re: Ostheer Update 7: Modernisation!!

May 15, 2011 at 3:46 AM

I love this update! ;D

You should have combined this and veterancy though.

So certain units can only be built after modernizing?

"Balancers are 10 a penny"

#69197

Re: Ostheer Update 7: Modernisation!!

May 15, 2011 at 3:59 AM

Cranialwizard wrote:
So certain units can only be built after modernizing?

Yeah. Makes sure the PanzerIII is used instead of teching straight to Panthers, also stops people spamming Brummbars. In a way it keeps the Wehr a viable force since they can get access to Panthers right away. This also means you need to modernise in order to get buildable Tigers, but it's worth it.

I hear people complaining about the amount of fuel it will cost, but the costs are subject to change. Currently, I haven't had any problems gaining the resources needed to tech to Panthers/Tigers/Brummbars, you just need to make sure you make the right choices, although, each modernisation upgrade gives you access to both better AP and AT in some way or another. It gives players plenty of tactical decision to make and will make OH games very interesting to watch indeedy.

Smells like. Victory.

#69207

Re: Ostheer Update 7: Modernisation!!

May 15, 2011 at 5:28 AM

Just a quick question, what snow map is that?

Ostheer is a new German faction for this mod.
It will be done when it is done.
Keep mapping and modeling.
Tell a friend about EF.

#69208

Re: Ostheer Update 7: Modernisation!!

May 15, 2011 at 5:35 AM

HerrVoss wrote:
Just a quick question, what snow map is that?

It's called Ardennes Forest... ironic isn't it :P.

Mors Indecepta

Might controls everything, and without strength you cannot protect anything. Let alone yourself...

#69214

Re: Ostheer Update 7: Modernisation!!

May 15, 2011 at 8:52 AM

IS-3....
... I'm just getting either tired or older.... :-\

I wonder how did you pushed it through LordRommel who every time I see whines about historical accuracy...

Lord wrote:
OSTHEER IS DONE WHEN IT'S DONE!

#69215

Re: Ostheer Update 7: Modernisation!!

May 15, 2011 at 8:56 AM

They probably bound and gagged him :-X
i was almost flamed off the forums when i first suggest IS3

Soviet is OP

#69216

Re: Ostheer Update 7: Modernisation!!

May 15, 2011 at 9:09 AM

For the sake of good! There a lot of historical in incorrectness in CoH. And no one seems to be bothered too much.
Besides, there is what is called a "reasonable doubt" backing up the historical aspect of the inclusion of IS-3. And, unlike many vanilla units, it was mass produced as well.

If you want a picture of the future,
imagine a boot stamping on a human face
— forever.

#69217

Re: Ostheer Update 7: Modernisation!!

May 15, 2011 at 9:16 AM

Oh, allright, I just rather see IS-3 as an independent unit, not as a reward unit for ISU. Still I think that IS-3 is rather post-war technology...

I'm waiting for a day, when IS-2 will be doctrinal unit. Or at least will have better skin.

Lord wrote:
OSTHEER IS DONE WHEN IT'S DONE!

#69219

Re: Ostheer Update 7: Modernisation!!

May 15, 2011 at 9:31 AM

Great work on the IS-3 model fellas fits in really nicely!....sooooooooo............ Centurion Mk1 at all? :-[ lol

#69223

Re: Ostheer Update 7: Modernisation!!

May 15, 2011 at 10:40 AM

Ehhh KV 1, KV 2, KV 85, IS 2, T 34, T 34/85, T 90, T 70, SU 85....and now IS-3??? I hope you guys know what mean balance, because i don't want another unbalanced patch, yea SU is balanced but i think that little not. And i hope that 1.4 will be REAL balanced game. But EF can be only balanced when Ostheer will be done. So they must be OP as SU is. Becasue WH and PE are not designed to fight vs SU, it is true.

Update 7:

Cool, something like armory in SU.

#69225

Re: Ostheer Update 7: Modernisation!!

May 15, 2011 at 10:44 AM

Yeah I know a thing or too about balance. I can assure you it's not being thrown in with epic stats. Like any unit, it's a choice based on cost-performance and current demand. It's a choice between unlimited ISU-152s and one single powerful IS3. It's not a clear choice either, both have pros and cons.

If you get into an argument with me, you're wrong.

#69228

Re: Ostheer Update 7: Modernisation!!

May 15, 2011 at 10:58 AM

TheDzierzanPL wrote:
Ehhh KV 1, KV 2, KV 85, IS 2, T 34, T 34/85, T 90, T 70, SU 85....and now IS-3??? I hope you guys know what mean balance, because i don't want another unbalanced patch, yea SU is balanced but i think that little not.[...]

KV1 -> replaces T34/76 (reward unit)
KV85 -> replaces T34/85 (reward unit)
IS-3 -> a doctrinal "once per game call-in" like KT or JP
so these changes won't destroy balance ::)
and like GodlikeDennis said, IS-3 will not be undefeatable ;)

http://www.moddb.com/mods/coheastern-front/images/kv-1#imagebox

BurroDiablo wrote:
Jagd[tiger] is a buildable replacement for the Kettenkrad... It can cloak and cap points. :P

Last edited May 15, 2011 at 11:02 AM by Ghost

#69231

Re: Ostheer Update 7: Modernisation!!

May 15, 2011 at 11:15 AM

Funny that KV-1, Kv-85 and IS3 were demanded but always declined "not going to happen" especially IS3. What changed your mind? ;)

#69232

Re: Ostheer Update 7: Modernisation!!

May 15, 2011 at 11:20 AM

I wonder about the KV-1 speed. I hope, you are aware of the fact, that off-road speed of it was equal to that of T-34, while the max speed was about 1.7 times lower than that of the latter.

If you want a picture of the future,
imagine a boot stamping on a human face
— forever.

#69234

Re: Ostheer Update 7: Modernisation!!

May 15, 2011 at 11:30 AM

IJoe wrote:
For the sake of good! There a lot of historical in incorrectness in CoH. And no one seems to be bothered too much.
Besides, there is what is called a "reasonable doubt" backing up the historical aspect of the inclusion of IS-3. And, unlike many vanilla units, it was mass produced as well.

I have source, a Tank Commander named Pjotr Sztyepanovics Alihanov who wrote his memoir after gone to america. He fought in the beggining of the offensive, started as a regular infantry, then he made it to a KV-2 and after the Germans shot out his tank and survived he got the first of the first IS-3. That was after the siege of Budapest, so we are still in the time period, when the war is not over, so a reward IS-3 would be nice.
Anyway, nice update. Keep the balance lads. 8)

#69235

Re: Ostheer Update 7: Modernisation!!

May 15, 2011 at 11:41 AM

Cannot wait to kick some ass with the ostheer, I don't really play soviet union that much but the IS-3 makes me want to play them more! ;D

Remember all who fought in the world wars, even the axis soldiers after all they were humans too...

Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent's fate.

#69238

Re: Ostheer Update 7: Modernisation!!

May 15, 2011 at 12:00 PM

Killar wrote:
Funny that KV-1, Kv-85 and IS3 were demanded but always declined "not going to happen" especially IS3. What changed your mind? ;)

Zerstörer wrote:
[...]Regardless, as an eye candy and cool factor, I'd say that if we ever got hold of an animated IS3, we'd put it in EF ;D
[...]

BurroDiablo wrote:
Jagd[tiger] is a buildable replacement for the Kettenkrad... It can cloak and cap points. :P

#69239

Re: Ostheer Update 7: Modernisation!!

May 15, 2011 at 12:06 PM

Awesome.. :o work 10/10, one day I hope to prove
I wait with enthusiasm. ;D we follow so you do very well

#69240

Re: Ostheer Update 7: Modernisation!!

May 15, 2011 at 12:14 PM

This Modernisation works like the Armoury with russians right?

Anyway good work! ;)

About IS-3, it can be better only one of it in a game than unlimited ISU-152. It needs only a good balance! ;)

#69243

Re: Ostheer Update 7: Modernisation!!

May 15, 2011 at 12:22 PM

IS-3 is going to be tough beast. I personally don't know, which one is better and cooler... IS-3 or ISU? ISU should go to Propaganda then.

Lord wrote:
OSTHEER IS DONE WHEN IT'S DONE!

#69244

Re: Ostheer Update 7: Modernisation!!

May 15, 2011 at 12:26 PM

cephalos wrote:
IS-3 is going to be tough beast. I personally don't know, which one is better and cooler... IS-3 or ISU? ISU should go to Propaganda then.

It's a reward, so no one is going anywhere ;)

If you want a picture of the future,
imagine a boot stamping on a human face
— forever.

#69245

Re: Ostheer Update 7: Modernisation!!

May 15, 2011 at 12:26 PM

I would prefer the IS-3, because the ISU is good and all, but as slow as crap.

The Russians think there sooo tough, wait till the Ostheer comes...

Coh Name: Seeme

#69247

Re: Ostheer Update 7: Modernisation!!

May 15, 2011 at 12:28 PM

Wow this is great! :D I found it real fun that you went with the MKb.42 ! Such a nice looking rifle! :D So now.. where is the Maus? :P ( JUST KIDDING !<3)

Good job guys!

My English is kind of useless. But that because Iam swedish Wooohoooj! ;3

#69249

Re: Ostheer Update 7: Modernisation!!

May 15, 2011 at 12:34 PM

ISU is good for bunker busting, doing burst damage and indirect fire support. It can also be called as many times as you want. IS3 is practically the Soviet version of the Tiger ace - fast, powerful but only 1 per game.

I just played an amazing game where IS3 was key.

If you get into an argument with me, you're wrong.

Last edited May 15, 2011 at 12:49 PM by GodlikeDennis

#69254

Re: Ostheer Update 7: Modernisation!!

May 15, 2011 at 12:47 PM

cephalos wrote:
IS-3....
... I'm just getting either tired or older.... :-\

I wonder how did you pushed it through LordRommel who every time I see whines about historical accuracy...

Well. I'm no friend of this choice but team wants to add this tank.
Democracy won :-*

May the force be with you.