Eastern Front 1.30 Patch

Ressy wrote:
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No replay, it was me and a friend doing unit tests to see how good the new brit stuff was.
Setup was the jagdtiger rolling straight into the M10's, and then them all sitting still and potshotting each other. He did roll the jagd out before it got smashed, after killing one M10, but I could have canceled hull down and chased it fairly easily.
In a mobile battle the M10's may not have the hull down bonuses, but they do have turrets, giving them the advantage over german tank destroyers in a maneuver battle.

Also, firing at the jagd's front armor not one shot ever pinged, without using AP shells ability. If the heaviest germal armor is 100% penetrated already, what's the point of an ability to increase penetration?

Well, a replay would really help ::)...

They carry a 17pdr, like a firefly/17pdr nest....how many times have you seen them bounce off before?

AP rounds don't just grant penetration bonus, they grand damage bonus. At 350 hpts the M10 is destroyed by any heavy tank or TD in 3 shots and fires less frequent than the german tanks, meaning in straight up matchup it gets to fire 2 shots before receiving the 3rd fatal one-So apart from some really bad luck of bad use, it will always die to a german tank

Last edited February 1, 2011 at 10:31 AM by Zerstörer

I made some ideas for the faction and doctrines and want to make suggestion. I haven't much time to work out every aspects, but in the beginning I felt to change for this:

• T2:
o Tank Hunter training; with it, Conscripts can now can have 1x PTRD-40 AT Rifle. Can be upgunned with 1 new man with a PTRD-40 AT Rifle.
o ZiS2 AT Gun (76mm)

• Tank Hall.
o Light Tankovy Upgrade:
 T-70 Light Tank (overdrive ability)
 T-90 AA/AI Light Tank
o Heavy Tankovy Upgrade:
 T-34/76 Medium Tank

Doctrines are, as they are called 'Strategies'.
• Propaganda Strategy;
o Left Side; Political Warfare
 Impenetrable Defense; Can now build Maxim MG Dugouts.
 Industrial Might – t34s can now upgraded to 34/85.
 The Red Tide! For a short time all Infantry deaths respawn at HQ.
o Right side; High command support
 Stalin organ- Now can call in BM-13 Katyusha Rocket Lauchers.
 God Of War - All available artillery pieces are now redirected to your sector. This will allow you unleash hell upon a large area of the map.
 Can call in IS2 Stalin tanks.
• Urban Combat Strategy
o Left Side; Street Warfare
 Close Combat - Ingenery can be upgraded with Dual ROKS-3 Flame-throwers.
 Not one step back! Makes all Troops in the sector immobile, but Higher health.
 Steamroller - Call in a KV-2 Heavy Tank.
o Right Side; Guerilla Warfare
 Partisans - Can now infiltrate a Partisan Troop.
 Sabotage - Partisans can now plant TNT on points.
 Sniper elite training – snipers are now can cloack without cover, Gains Suppress Ability
• Breakthrough Strategy
o Left Side; Combined Arms Warfare
 Tank Hunters – Can now call in SU-85 Assault gun, can be upgraded to the SU-100
 Tank Riders; T-34's can now mount Infantry.
 IL-2 Sturmovik - Call in a Squadron of IL-2 Sturmovik Tank Hunters.
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o Right Side; Advanced Tank Warfare
 Mechanics; Can now call in Trained Mechanics
 Lend-Lease; Can now call in a Lend-Lease Sherman 76mm.
 Zverbody; Can now call in a ISU-152 Tank Hunter.



If you upset, that I took out the /87 upgrade and the IS-2s, you must remember, that you can upgrade youre Zis AT gun. I changed the doctrines, and I think they makes sense. It's just suggestions, and I wrote this for discussions. I also thiks, that the commies are quite balanced out.

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Zerstörer wrote:


However, there is also the following thing to consider.

A proper EF game should really be between Soviets and Axis. In a 2v2/3v3/4v4, the Axis side has alot of combinations (and will have even more with Ostheer) cause you have 2 factions with doctrines vs 1. By having the amount of units the soviets have, you can somewhat balance that as they have more options than a regular faction.

It is a really interesting point you've raised and I believe it merits more discussion and thought for it.

I agree with you, but that's the whole point of the doctrines. You can do combined arms wit the Yenkies when you're teammate chooses different doctrines. With commies there is no point choosin different doctrines but urban combat, where you call in the sniper ace, and build SU100-s.

Last edited February 1, 2011 at 10:23 AM by TheReaper

I think there are some points that merit discussion while I think overall some of the changes are too drastic. For example the removal of the non-doctrinal T34/85 upgrade. Without it,the T34 won't be able to compete with the late game tanks of the other factions. Furthermore Propaganda would then have both the T34/85 and the IS2 and the Kathyushas. However I could imagine a doctinal IS2 call-in as the soviets can do without it if they're left the T34/85 and the Su-100. Perhaps one could have the Guards come as doctrinal call-in elite infantry as well? I also find your idea interesting to remove tank hunters and give the normal infantry the option to upgrade with anti-tank rifles.

Ressy wrote:
firing at the jagd's front armor not one shot ever pinged, without using AP shells ability. If the heaviest germal armor is 100% penetrated already, what's the point of an ability to increase penetration?

British AP shots increases accuracy and dmg as well. M10 gets similar bonuses from vet.

This is just a post to really thanks you for this mod ! You're making a wonderful mod !

Greetings, long time no see :)... I am stunned by the fact that you fixed the recrewing bug, bravo!  ;D

I just want to make a sugestion...as you all know in real life the soviet snipers were not only men but women too...can´t you guys insert some girls in the game?? that would be awesome!! and now the only faction that is left behind is the french and the japanese...it would be just great if you guys manage to insert this last 2 factions on the game ;)
Great job with the mod and please don´t stop the magic now :)
Big hugs to all  8)

Rain wrote:and now the only faction that is left behind is the french and the japanese...it would be just great if you guys manage to insert this last 2 factions on the game ;)

I Think women snipers are already suggested but I don't remember the answer.

French? On the Eastern Front?  :o :-\

Japanese are already created by another Mod Team:

Here: http://www.moddb.com/mods/pacific-thunder

I´m not saying that EF should have the French faction  ;) i´m only saying that the only factions that are not in game right now are the french and the japanese  :) and it was awesome if someone could insert them in game...that way we would have 4 against 4 factions in game ;)

Maybe one day in the very very distant future we could add like a Japanese reward faction for the Wehr or a French faction for the US, or an early war Wehr faction for the Wehr, an Italian faction for the PE. However, by this time the world will have ended.

As for the sniper... it was discussed aaaages ago on by the dev team to make the Ace a female, but then somebody got a little carried away by enemy and the gates and wanted the Ace to be Jude Law instead... he has a girls name I guess.

Wow i totally forgot the Italian faction...

About the sniper women i was talking about the regular snipers not the Ace...you guys could add the option to build women or men snipers what do you think of that...? because in real life that was the real deal men women and some kids made the soviet forces against the german invasion...

Rain wrote:
Wow i totally forgot the Italian faction...

About the sniper women i was talking about the regular snipers not the Ace...you guys could add the option to build women or men snipers what do you think of that...? because in real life that was the real deal men women and some kids made the soviet forces against the german invasion...

Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!
And let's make, like, volksgren squads, consisting out of "the old, the weak, the young", as it is the real deal - let them make a stand for the reich, and most certainly die for it!
Now, seriously, why do we have to bring this "reality" shit into A GAME?

The colored part bears sarcastic meaning, and not meant to start a flame war.

Last edited February 14, 2011 at 10:44 PM by IJoe

IJoe wrote:

Rain wrote:
Wow i totally forgot the Italian faction...

About the sniper women i was talking about the regular snipers not the Ace...you guys could add the option to build women or men snipers what do you think of that...? because in real life that was the real deal men women and some kids made the soviet forces against the german invasion...

Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!
And let's make, like, volksgren squads, consisting out of "the old, the weak, the young", as it is the real deal - let them make a stand for the reich, and most certainly die for it!
Now, seriously, why do we have to bring this "reality" shit into A GAME?

Flame war ready to start...

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:P :P

@Rain: for your Russian's suggestion  ;):

http://easternfront.org/forums/index.php?topic=3161.msg57267#new

seriously... that's a fool excuse to "bring" realism. If you want to be taken seriously don't use this kind of arguments to hold your suggestions:

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because in real life that was the real deal men women and some kids made the soviet forces against the german invasion...

In Eastern Front we always think of balance > realism. And "extreme" realism isn't intended for this mod.

I have to agree with the guy female Soviet snipers would be awesome, but its such a minor detail and i can easy live without it. TBH theres bigger prioritys atm 

You could easily make the spotter of the sharpshooter team female. Regardless, this is an incredibly minor detail and effort must be put in elsewhere.

IJoe wrote:

Rain wrote:
Wow i totally forgot the Italian faction...

About the sniper women i was talking about the regular snipers not the Ace...you guys could add the option to build women or men snipers what do you think of that...? because in real life that was the real deal men women and some kids made the soviet forces against the german invasion...

Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!
And let's make, like, volksgren squads, consisting out of "the old, the weak, the young", as it is the real deal - let them make a stand for the reich, and most certainly die for it!
Now, seriously, why do we have to bring this "reality" shit into A GAME?

The colored part bears sarcastic meaning, and not meant to start a flame war.

No post-delete? I guessed this forum is one-sided... :(

TheReaper wrote:

IJoe wrote:

Rain wrote:
Wow i totally forgot the Italian faction...

About the sniper women i was talking about the regular snipers not the Ace...you guys could add the option to build women or men snipers what do you think of that...? because in real life that was the real deal men women and some kids made the soviet forces against the german invasion...

Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!
And let's make, like, volksgren squads, consisting out of "the old, the weak, the young", as it is the real deal - let them make a stand for the reich, and most certainly die for it!
Now, seriously, why do we have to bring this "reality" shit into A GAME?

The colored part bears sarcastic meaning, and not meant to start a flame war.

No post-delete? I guessed this forum is one-sided... :(

Why should be deleted ???... I think is a bit rude, but imo not enough to be deleted, it even wasn't reported!(the offended user also can request it's deletion if he has good arguments)

@Rain, @Snug, @GodlikeDennis
Perhaps Tiger205 could lend us his female model...

In either case in the future, if you want to discuss the inclusion of a soviet unit... please use this topic(Moonwalker's link).

Red Army Suggestions > Unit - Reward suggestions thread

Last edited February 15, 2011 at 4:38 PM by blackbishop

The female model is haldf the issue...and its not like you'd be able to tell in a regular game as they wore the same baggy camo.
What would you do about the voice? The sniper's lines?

Zerstörer wrote:
The female model is haldf the issue...and its not like you'd be able to tell in a regular game as they wore the same baggy camo.
What would you do about the voice? The sniper's lines?

Touché :-X.

Use Voices from Close Combat, Russian front. Over 1,000 lines from Retreating, moving and firing! Both English and Russian translated!


Most useless post ever posted......

IJoe wrote:

Rain wrote:
Wow i totally forgot the Italian faction...

About the sniper women i was talking about the regular snipers not the Ace...you guys could add the option to build women or men snipers what do you think of that...? because in real life that was the real deal men women and some kids made the soviet forces against the german invasion...

Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!
And let's make, like, volksgren squads, consisting out of "the old, the weak, the young", as it is the real deal - let them make a stand for the reich, and most certainly die for it!
Now, seriously, why do we have to bring this "reality" shit into A GAME?

The colored part bears sarcastic meaning, and not meant to start a flame war.

Ohh you didn´t meant to start a flame war...ok...lets see...in response to your great post...maybe because without "reality" the game wouldn´t be made?? but i see that you´re a retard...but no no offense please...world war 2 was just a piece of someone imagination and not real...
Take care...

Rain wrote:

IJoe wrote:

Rain wrote:
Wow i totally forgot the Italian faction...

About the sniper women i was talking about the regular snipers not the Ace...you guys could add the option to build women or men snipers what do you think of that...? because in real life that was the real deal men women and some kids made the soviet forces against the german invasion...

Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!
And let's make, like, volksgren squads, consisting out of "the old, the weak, the young", as it is the real deal - let them make a stand for the reich, and most certainly die for it!
Now, seriously, why do we have to bring this "reality" shit into A GAME?

The colored part bears sarcastic meaning, and not meant to start a flame war.

Ohh you didn´t meant to start a flame war...ok...lets see...in response to your great post...maybe because without "reality" the game wouldn´t be made?? but i see that you´re a retard...but no no offense please...world war 2 was just a piece of someone imagination and not real...
Take care...

LoL...no offense but if you think in this way...you didn't understand nothing of CoH.

Peace&Love  ;D

Last edited February 15, 2011 at 9:22 PM by Moonwalker

Who should i thank for tank skins ? Those are the best i seen in a long time.

Moonwalker wrote:

Rain wrote:

IJoe wrote:

Rain wrote:
Wow i totally forgot the Italian faction...

About the sniper women i was talking about the regular snipers not the Ace...you guys could add the option to build women or men snipers what do you think of that...? because in real life that was the real deal men women and some kids made the soviet forces against the german invasion...

Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!
And let's make, like, volksgren squads, consisting out of "the old, the weak, the young", as it is the real deal - let them make a stand for the reich, and most certainly die for it!
Now, seriously, why do we have to bring this "reality" shit into A GAME?

The colored part bears sarcastic meaning, and not meant to start a flame war.

Ohh you didn´t meant to start a flame war...ok...lets see...in response to your great post...maybe because without "reality" the game wouldn´t be made?? but i see that you´re a retard...but no no offense please...world war 2 was just a piece of someone imagination and not real...
Take care...

LoL...no offense but if you think in this way...you didn't understand nothing of CoH.

Peace&Love  ;D

+1
CoH is not a game that you would classify as "Realistic", it's just Relic's representation of WW2, nothing more nothing less. You can see units that certainly doesn't belong to the timeline that tries to settle in or units that just weren't produced at all. The damage is unreal, the line of sight & range of the units too... If you look for that kind of realism MoW is the way to go. But it's what made funny the game :).

Kashchei wrote:
Who should i thank for tank skins ? Those are the best i seen in a long time.

Soviets tanks & RMCs skins were made by Zerstörer ;D(iirc... :-\)!!

Last edited February 15, 2011 at 10:28 PM by blackbishop

Zerstörer is my new hero :P I love EF tiger model.Maybe this already was adressed but Achilles and tiger dont have shooting sound.I hope that will be fixed i next patch 1.31. And once again thank you guys for your hard work.

Kashchei wrote:
Zerstörer is my new hero :P I love EF tiger model.Maybe this already was adressed but Achilles and tiger dont have shooting sound.I hope that will be fixed i next patch 1.31. And once again thank you guys for your hard work.

Indeed... for both things :P.

Rain wrote:

IJoe wrote:

Rain wrote:
Wow i totally forgot the Italian faction...

About the sniper women i was talking about the regular snipers not the Ace...you guys could add the option to build women or men snipers what do you think of that...? because in real life that was the real deal men women and some kids made the soviet forces against the german invasion...

Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!
And let's make, like, volksgren squads, consisting out of "the old, the weak, the young", as it is the real deal - let them make a stand for the reich, and most certainly die for it!
Now, seriously, why do we have to bring this "reality" shit into A GAME?

The colored part bears sarcastic meaning, and not meant to start a flame war.

Ohh you didn´t meant to start a flame war...ok...lets see...in response to your great post...maybe because without "reality" the game wouldn´t be made?? but i see that you´re a retard...but no no offense please...world war 2 was just a piece of someone imagination and not real...
Take care...

::) ::) ::)
So true...

Guys I found out yesterday that I cannot choose the Sherman Firefly anymore (when playing with the new Brits). It does not matter whether I "green" the Comet or not, I still get the Comet. Did you do that on purpose?

Yes, it's like that on purpose. You can't get roos either.

I'm not sure if it's actually possible to get the reward units to work since it's a whole reward faction and only 1 reward unit can work per unit normally.

Reward brits don't use other reward units and also don't use sherman fireflies ;).

(whispering from german side)" thank god"  ;)

"We can stop hiding our tanks now"

I am not able to see the new team in the Update 1.30, Can someone tell me where am i going wrong ?

legi0nare wrote:
I am not able to see the new team in the Update 1.30, Can someone tell me where am i going wrong ?

The RMC is located under reward units tab.

but when new news for the ostheer?

ca. 15. March

Next update, please.  ;D

MatzeHTC wrote:
Next update, please.  ;D

March 15th, not March 4/5 (depending on where you live).

P.S. Patience is a virtue

TheReaper wrote:
I made some ideas for the faction and doctrines and want to make suggestion. I haven't much time to work out every aspects, but in the beginning I felt to change for this:

• T2:
o Tank Hunter training; with it, Conscripts can now can have 1x PTRD-40 AT Rifle. Can be upgunned with 1 new man with a PTRD-40 AT Rifle.
o ZiS2 AT Gun (76mm)

• Tank Hall.
o Light Tankovy Upgrade:
 T-70 Light Tank (overdrive ability)
 T-90 AA/AI Light Tank
o Heavy Tankovy Upgrade:
 T-34/76 Medium Tank

Doctrines are, as they are called 'Strategies'.
• Propaganda Strategy;
o Left Side; Political Warfare
 Impenetrable Defense; Can now build Maxim MG Dugouts.
 Industrial Might – t34s can now upgraded to 34/85.
 The Red Tide! For a short time all Infantry deaths respawn at HQ.
o Right side; High command support
 Stalin organ- Now can call in BM-13 Katyusha Rocket Lauchers.
 God Of War - All available artillery pieces are now redirected to your sector. This will allow you unleash hell upon a large area of the map.
 Can call in IS2 Stalin tanks.
• Urban Combat Strategy
o Left Side; Street Warfare
 Close Combat - Ingenery can be upgraded with Dual ROKS-3 Flame-throwers.
 Not one step back! Makes all Troops in the sector immobile, but Higher health.
 Steamroller - Call in a KV-2 Heavy Tank.
o Right Side; Guerilla Warfare
 Partisans - Can now infiltrate a Partisan Troop.
 Sabotage - Partisans can now plant TNT on points.
 Sniper elite training – snipers are now can cloack without cover, Gains Suppress Ability
• Breakthrough Strategy
o Left Side; Combined Arms Warfare
 Tank Hunters – Can now call in SU-85 Assault gun, can be upgraded to the SU-100
 Tank Riders; T-34's can now mount Infantry.
 IL-2 Sturmovik - Call in a Squadron of IL-2 Sturmovik Tank Hunters.
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o Right Side; Advanced Tank Warfare
 Mechanics; Can now call in Trained Mechanics
 Lend-Lease; Can now call in a Lend-Lease Sherman 76mm.
 Zverbody; Can now call in a ISU-152 Tank Hunter.



If you upset, that I took out the /87 upgrade and the IS-2s, you must remember, that you can upgrade youre Zis AT gun. I changed the doctrines, and I think they makes sense. It's just suggestions, and I wrote this for discussions. I also thiks, that the commies are quite balanced out.

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Zerstörer wrote:


However, there is also the following thing to consider.

A proper EF game should really be between Soviets and Axis. In a 2v2/3v3/4v4, the Axis side has alot of combinations (and will have even more with Ostheer) cause you have 2 factions with doctrines vs 1. By having the amount of units the soviets have, you can somewhat balance that as they have more options than a regular faction.

It is a really interesting point you've raised and I believe it merits more discussion and thought for it.

I agree with you, but that's the whole point of the doctrines. You can do combined arms wit the Yenkies when you're teammate chooses different doctrines. With commies there is no point choosin different doctrines but urban combat, where you call in the sniper ace, and build SU100-s.

omg if thye do change the is2 and the su100 as a call in tank ill stop playing cuase the russian suck then.... what tank they have to breach tank traps ?
and with what tank we russia can hold german tigers ? and even think about king tigers.....
the su100 and the IS2 need to be normal units....

well u think u never played as russia mate....
i try to kill at king tiger with t34/85 u never kill it with 6 t34/85.
and even think about the su100 tank destoyer...
if we dont have them what destoyer the russia then have agianst other destoyers...

the russia are good now as it is now.
dont change the russia dont make russia tanks call in thad realy sucks thad wil also decrease the power of the russian then the russian will lose every fight
and dont tell thad the russia tanks are faster then other tanks.
thad is not right they are even slower as an panther ...
so u have some bad thoughts about the game...


greetings firefox126

will u guy add the kv-85 in a up coming patch

Perhaps...perhaps not... wait and see :P

redbaron wrote:
will u guy add the kv-85 in a up coming patch

I hope that IS-2 will be an upgrade for the KV-85.
I would really like to see a tank with Churchills armor and T-34/85 gun (with acc and AoE nerfs). IS-2 should be a very, very, very late game tank that balances veted Panthers. Right now it sucks that you need ammo for T-34/85 but dont need any for IS-2.

Or maybe a reward unit for LL Sherman.

Last edited March 6, 2011 at 5:29 PM by Paciat

Paciat wrote:

redbaron wrote:
will u guy add the kv-85 in a up coming patch

I hope that IS-2 will be an upgrade for the KV-85.
I would really like to see a tank with Churchills armor and T-34/85 gun (with acc and AoE nerfs). IS-2 should be a very, very, very late game tank that balances veted Panthers. Right now it sucks that you need ammo for T-34/85 but dont need any for IS-2.

Or maybe a reward unit for LL Sherman.

Absolutely right, Paciat.

Quotewill u guy add the kv-85 in a up coming patch

I hope that IS-2 will be an upgrade for the KV-85.
I would really like to see a tank with Churchills armor and T-34/85 gun (with acc and AoE nerfs). IS-2 should be a very, very, very late game tank that balances veted Panthers. Right now it sucks that you need ammo for T-34/85 but dont need any for IS-2.

Or maybe a reward unit for LL Sherman.

1+

MaxiKing6 wrote:

Paciat wrote:

redbaron wrote:
will u guy add the kv-85 in a up coming patch

I hope that IS-2 will be an upgrade for the KV-85.
I would really like to see a tank with Churchills armor and T-34/85 gun (with acc and AoE nerfs). IS-2 should be a very, very, very late game tank that balances veted Panthers. Right now it sucks that you need ammo for T-34/85 but dont need any for IS-2.

Or maybe a reward unit for LL Sherman.

Absolutely right, Paciat.

Yeah!  ;)

Only 4 days it feals like christmas  :D

firefox126 wrote:
omg if thye do change the is2 and the su100 as a call in tank ill stop playing cuase the russian suck then.... what tank they have to breach tank traps ?
and with what tank we russia can hold german tigers ? and even think about king tigers.....
the su100 and the IS2 need to be normal units....

well u think u never played as russia mate....
i try to kill at king tiger with t34/85 u never kill it with 6 t34/85.
and even think about the su100 tank destoyer...
if we dont have them what destoyer the russia then have agianst other destoyers...

greetings firefox126

Did you ever kite the King Tiger and shoot it from the rear? 2 T-34/85 hardly enugh for them. I play with my friend EF mod and that was just a quick tought of the mod. This EF mod is just smells like SupaRussia-Faction, imagine the Wehr can build Tiger without doctrines, and PE can call in/or build medium tanks. You don't have to think, do tactic or micro you're army just blob the counter units and that's all. Similar to the US faction. I'd love to see anyway more response who played against humans or not have Russophilia.

Cheers

TheReaper wrote:
Did you ever kite the King Tiger and shoot it from the rear? 2 T-34/85 hardly enugh for them. I play with my friend EF mod and that was just a quick tought of the mod. This EF mod is just smells like SupaRussia-Faction, imagine the Wehr can build Tiger without doctrines, and PE can call in/or build medium tanks. You don't have to think, do tactic or micro you're army just blob the counter units and that's all. Similar to the US faction. I'd love to see anyway more response who played against humans or not have Russophilia.

Cheers

Cool story bro, but maybe you should address your own bias before you go about accusing people of 'Russophilia'. People like you won't be happy until the Soviet army consists of nothing but a child armed with a stick.