Unit - Reward suggestions thread:

Here you can write down new ideas for units
or reward units:

Female soviet sniper to replace Sniper Ace. Works pretty much the same but instead of having sticky bombs, she has an activated ability with cooldown that makes her detection range increase a lot, making her very good at counter-sniping.

Saavedra wrote:
Female soviet sniper to replace Sniper Ace. Works pretty much the same but instead of having sticky bombs, she has an activated ability with cooldown that makes her detection range increase a lot, making her very good at counter-sniping.

Well, well..

Why do you want woman in the war?

And for one reason, it cant be done.
for the reason of the sound files, we got only male voices there.

Why does a sniper need to talk :) ? The only sound anyone needs to hear is the chamber locking and the bullet flying.

Venoxxis wrote:
Why do you want woman in the war?

And for one reason, it cant be done.
for the reason of the sound files, we got only male voices there.

I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to find some dialogue out of a Russian War movie. The model is more of a problem. And why? Guns, tanks,....all that is missing is boobs. But seriously, it wouldn't hurt to represent females when they actual did serve in combat roles during the war. Plus some of them were pretty. Roza Yegorovna Shanina, 54 confirmed kills:

She has a deathly stare....And your anology was inappropriate and immature but would get its point out there to most males.

Akalonor wrote:
She has a deathly stare....And your anology was inappropriate and immature but would get its point out there to most males.

It was a joke...Relax...

QuoteWhy does a sniper need to talk  ? The only sound anyone needs to hear is the chamber locking and the bullet flying.

How is your post any less immature and disrespectful?

Last edited March 19, 2010 at 3:09 AM by Ost_Front_Soldat

CoH in its current state is a massive sausage fest. Female Soviet snipers would be pretty awesome to have as a reward unit.

thebomb wrote:
CoH in its current state is a massive sausage fest. Female Soviet snipers would be pretty awesome to have as a reward unit.

I have felt this way for awhile now, and I have now started to fully appreciate the use of females characters in Supreme Commander, and to a lesser extent CnC. It doesn't even have to be uber sexy sniper with Maria Sharapova wearing a Ushanka as the portrait picture...wait a sec...

for sure the russiant had female snipers yea.
But i think editing the soundfiles makes some trouble,
just thinking about T-34 saying they are sherman tanks ;)

This is what i mean.

And a sniper without a voice is redicilous.

I would like to see a BA 64 replacement for the t90.

This was ment to be a unit suggestion topic ? not a unit discussion, offtopic

Last edited March 19, 2010 at 3:41 PM by WartyX

That was quite rude and I agree about the first part and the beginning of the bottom part..... But I was saying that a sniper doesn't require full speech because a sniper is meant to be stealthy I was not saying " Don't LET her speak" It was just a simple temporary solution to the problem, How could saying A sniper sound doesnt require full speech  be more offensive than Soldat's "Hormonal wants +tanks+guns= :) "  statement ? I know it was intended to be a joke, I was just pointing out this is not the place or time for Jokes like that.

Akalonor wrote:
That was quite rude and I agree about the first part and the beginning of the bottom part..... But I was saying that a sniper doesn't require full speech because a sniper is meant to be stealthy I was not saying " Don't LET her speak" It was just a simple temporary solution to the problem, How could saying A sniper sound doesnt require full speech  be more offensive than Soldat's "Hormonal wants +tanks+guns= :) "  statement ? I know it was intended to be a joke, I was just pointing out this is not the place or time for Jokes like that.

Every unit requires speech. Period. Futhermore, my statement was not offensive in th least, this is a computer game mod for Christ's sake. Don't loose sight of that.

It was not offensive, but also not needed, It is the past so I choose to stop arguing about it, however I am unfamiliar with modding so I am unsure of the requirements in each Unit, I would be happy with the game, sound or not(I often play it muted), various genders or not.

KV1 to replace T34.

I like KV8S instead  to Replace T-34 ;)
Soldat could guess what It has on it haha :)

Last edited March 20, 2010 at 5:38 PM by Akalonor

Buildable dshk instead off Soviet machine gun dugout

Dshk MG - machine gun dugout

The Dshk should act as an antiair Defense similar to the "BOFOS"

Permanent replacement.

Akalonor wrote:
I like KV8S instead  to Replace T-34 ;)
Soldat could guess what It has on it haha :)

"Burn them in their steel coffins"
-Sgt.Reznov

How about KV-1 to replace SU-85 but the SU gun upgrade would be replaced to a turret MG -> flamethrower upgrade(KV-8).
There would be no KV-85 but KV-8 would be very powerfull anyway.

everyone of you just throws the same tanks again and again in for discussion, thats why i decided to list all nice ideas in one post now. So noone have to post them anymore.


first of all i got some tanks which where brought in by paciat,
in general 2 light vehicles:




BA64 - armored car


armoured car, either to replace one of the soviet light tanks
or even to put it in the support HQ of the soviets.
(replacing the pak or the ZIS-5.)





BT-7

Have changed the picture - old one hadnt worked. Rommel
Light very fast tank to replace one of the soviets early game
tanks to have some hit and run fights.







KV-1 (also thinking about the kv-85)


havier than the t-34, but surely a good reward unit for it.
also thinking about armour.





KV-8

The perfect new urban fighter of the soviets. 100% useable
as a reward unit for the KV-2. must have?





SU-122 mobile artillery

A artillery unit useable in variable ways.

My suggestions are replacing the -

1) KV-2 because its the most similiar unit thinking about how it would act like. Would also fit the style of urban fighting.

2) ISU-152 since this vehicle can also be used as a breakthrough unit to replace the "taking forever to reload bigboy beastslayer which is in some eyes OP and in others just useless". A lot would like this for sure.

3) IS-2 non doctrinal SU-122?
sounds strange. but howw, maybe this would be a fresh idea. But yet i cant image by myself how this unit would work as a non doctrinal one. Saying - dangerous idea though..







BM-13 rocket launcher:

Havier rockets, compareable to the katyusha.







Also there where multi turret design considered, but they
are hard to include and also some of us doesnt seem to like
them. Nevertheless, very interesting vehicles.

Last edited March 25, 2010 at 4:33 PM by Lord Rommel

that looks pretty solid there.

all these options for reward vehicles are historically accurate, as well as interesting vehicles.

BA10 to Replace T70
The Ba10 was a Soviet Armoured Car based on the Chassis of the GAZ AAA Truck. it mounted the same 45mm Gun as the T70, and was much faster. they were produced up to 1941, and served until the end of the war. some had their turrets removed and were used as ersatz APCs.
http://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints-depot-300/tanks/russiantanks/ba_10_russian_armoured_car-03939.jpg

KV1s to Replace ISII.
The KV1 was the first Soviet Heavy tank, entering Service in 1940. it gave the Germans a shock when they first encountered it, one example holding up an entire German Corps for two days! it can be upgraded to a KV8 Flame Tank.
http://www.wargaming.net/tanks/IMAGES/KV-1s.JPG

SU76 to Replace SU85
the SU76 was the first Soviet Self Propelled Gun, based on the T70 Chassis. it mounted a 76.2mm ZiS-3 AT Gun, and it was the second most produced Soviet armoured vehicle of World War II, after the T-34 tank. nicknamed the 'Suka' (Bitch) it was used as a light self Propelled Gun, and could fire indirect artillery Bombardments.
http://users.atw.hu/priskos/Alakulatok-Hadseregek/Pancelosvadaszok/Szovjet/su76/Chi-PVA-SU76-XinHui.jpg

Last edited March 25, 2010 at 10:14 PM by Das Taub

+1 to Das Taub Love it :) but perhaps KV-8 as KV-1 upgrade

Akalonor wrote:
+1 to Das Taub Love it :) but perhaps KV-8 as KV-1 upgrade

Agreed with the KV-8 substitution, but everything else looks good. Nice suggestion, Das Taub.

Replace the t-34 with the KV-1 and when upgraded, the Kv-1 becomes the KV-85. The Kv tanks would be more armored, but have a slower speed and the turret turns slower.

Replace the T-90 with a BA-64 armored car. The Ba-64 is more armored than the T-90 and is capable of faster speeds.

Panzer4life wrote:
Replace the t-34 with the KV-1 and when upgraded, the Kv-1 becomes the KV-85. The Kv tanks would be more armored, but have a slower speed and the turret turns slower.

Replace the T-90 with a BA-64 armored car. The Ba-64 is more armored than the T-90 and is capable of faster speeds.

T-34 shouldnt be replaced. It would be like replacing a Tommy or a Panzer Grenadier squad. SU should be replaced with a KV tank with a flamer (not gun) upgrade... becouse everyone wants a flame tank. (not another 85mm gun)

T-90 has Stuart armor! so BA-64 would had to have M-10 armor...
but I cant blame anyone for not knowing armor types. I never use it myself.
Check out this topic for some EF unit stats:
http://easternfront.org/forums/index.php?topic=2295.0
Anyways, BA-64 is a good idea. :) Even better if tank hall wasnt needed to build it.

Yes T-34 shouldnot be replaced, I vote for KV-8 should replace KV-2 (Fits in with Urban doctrine.)

What do you guys think about it: BT5 tank with rocket artillery.
This would be a nice reaward unit.
http://henk.fox3000.com/Bt/rbt5/01.jpg
http://henk.fox3000.com/Bt/rbt5/03.jpg

The RBT-5 looks like a cool tank, but what do you want it to replace? and 2x rockets seems like a kind of a joke, allthrough it could be a little bonus and "Creative feature"

agreed looks great and also like something new.
do you got any facts about it?
maybe how often it got build or something like that.
yet we dont know much about the tank.



looks like a RA-3 vehicle :D - but great ;)

Last edited March 31, 2010 at 6:55 PM by Venoxxis

lol looks a bit like a fake :D

Venoxxis wrote:
agreed looks great and also like something new.
do you got any facts about it?
maybe how often it got build or something like that.
yet we dont know much about the tank.

Not found any more materials, what also we know about it. Hmm, maybe replacig the T70 tank, and the two rocket when explode, its equal to the artillery shells each one. It would cost 100 munition or something, upgrading the tank like the walking stuka.

"BT tank chassis were also used as the basis for engineering support vehicles and mobility testbeds. A bridgelayer variant had a T-38  turret and launched a bridge across small gaps. Standard tanks were fitted as fascine  carriers. The RBT-5 hosted a pair of large artillery rocket launchers, one on each side of the turret. Several designs for extremely wide tracks, including, oddly, wooden 'snowshoes' were tried on BT tanks.

The KBT-7 was a thoroughly modern armoured command vehicle that was in the prototype stage when World War II broke out. The design was not pursued during the war." I found this on the wikipedia.

Nothing been said about T-40 amphibious tank.  Just like Schwimmwagen it would move fast on water. Just like T-90 could fire at aircrafts. Weaker armor.

Last edited April 6, 2010 at 10:04 PM by Paciat

Akalonor wrote:
Yes T-34 shouldnot be replaced, I vote for KV-8 should replace KV-2 (Fits in with Urban doctrine.)

They are reward units dood. You can choose a to replace them or not. It's not a big deal.

if you want a replacement vehicle for the T34, then look no farther than it's predecessor, the T28 medium tank. the T28 was an example of the 'land battleship' concept prevalent in soviet military thinking at the time. it had a main turret with a short 76.2mm gun (equivalent to the Panzer IVs Stubby gun) with a co-Axel 7.62mm DT machine gun, and two smaller secondary turrets, each armed with two 7.62mm DT machine guns.
The Soviets had 411 T-28 tanks available during operation Barbarossa. Most T-28s were lost during the first two months of the invasion, though Some took part in the 1941 winter defence of Leningrad and Moscow.

the T28 would be a Super Panzer IV Stubby, with thicker armour (80 mm front, 40 mm side and rear) and enough Machine guns to devastate attacking infantry. with three turrets, it could engage multiple targets with ease.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0a/T28_005.gif

Paciat wrote:
Nothing been said about T-40 amphibious tank.  Just like Schwimmwagen it would move fast on water. Just like T-90 could fire at aircrafts. Weaker armor.

Like that idea. It'd be great for maps like drekplats.

Das wrote:
...if you want a replacement vehicle for the T34, then look no farther than it's predecessor, the T28 medium tank...

It sounds like a heavily anti infantry tank. Would probably be good at killing those dmn PE troops.

We've been over the T-28 deal before, I loved it but it always loses -.-

The IS-3, it was used in small numbers at the end of the war. It would be a good replacement for the ISU-155

Last edited April 20, 2010 at 10:39 PM by comrade2012

From what I've heard it wasn't used in the war on any official account.

From what I've read it served along side IS-2's in the final assault on Germany. They didnt have that many of them though. Its main service was post-war.

That's why it's not already featured than.

SU57...

Soviet war records are sketchy at best so you don't really know...its not like the M26 had any true contribution...all the actions recorded and there were 5-6 only tank engagements in total...wow I know....
Also, soviets lost count of how many T34s they produced, the numbers ranging from 55k to 75k+...what's 20 thousand T34s hey?..pocket change...

It is widely accepted that 300 IS3s were rushed in for the Berlin parade so Stalin could show off (and they had they desired effect!!). Some were said to have faught against the Japs in Manchuria in 1945...

They also produced about 900 T-44s yet little is known and some believe only about 3 were used as a special unit in combat for testing (which sounds kinda strange to produce 1000 tanks in ww2 and keep them in reserve when all the efforts were to produce as many as possible and send them to the front...)

IS-3 didn't take part in Berlin, the first IS-3 didn't even leave the factory until May 1945 and by then the War was basically over. Only credible report of IS-3's in action was during the defeat of the Japanese Kwantung Army in August 1945.

However, it is one Tank I would like to see in game, although I can already hear the Axis players rage quitting.

BurroDiablo wrote:
However, it is one Tank I would like to see in game, although I can already hear the Axis players rage quitting.

Same here, somehow i would like to see it ingame as well. Something which would solve the problematic role of the ISU atm.

Really, its worth of thinking about it, even if it doesnt really fit historically. But you could always bring up the argument that it actually fight during the 2nd ww.

Finally a real heavy tank for the soviets.. somewhere placed between Tiger and KT.. awesomeness?

Personally, I'd like to see the ISU adopt its real-life role as a mobile Howitzer with a limited AT ability, and leave pure AT to a Tank like the IS-3 which would be on par with a King Tiger.

BurroDiablo wrote:
Personally, I'd like to see the ISU adopt its real-life role as a mobile Howitzer with a limited AT ability, and leave pure AT to a Tank like the IS-3 which would be on par with a King Tiger.

KV-2 is a "mobile Howitzer with a limited AT ability" and no army needs 2 of these.

Breakthru is the weakest doctrine (1.04) and Soviets need a better uber tank than an ISU-152. But IS-3 would be a IS-2 with more HP (boring).

I would make ISU cheaper, (800MP), a little faster, lower its HP, raise aera of gun effect.
Also I would took away its ambush ability (becouse its BIG) or add ambush to SU-85/100.

A passive ability (allways on) to stun any vechicle on hit for 2 seconds (becouse the shell is so big and loud) would be great too.

Paciat wrote:
Breakthru is the weakest doctrine (1.04) and Soviets need a better uber tank than an ISU-152. But IS-3 would be a IS-2 with more HP (boring).

I would make ISU cheaper, (800MP), a little faster, lower its HP, raise aera of gun effect.
Also I would took away its ambush ability (becouse its BIG) or add ambush to SU-85/100.

A passive ability (allways on) to stun any vechicle on hit for 2 seconds (becouse the shell is so big and loud) would be great too.

+1 ISU needs slight change

Ad Soviet doctrines IMO Propaganda is even weaker because of God of War which is not used often and if yes then it often do more damage to player+allies then to enemy. Btw have someone made a statistics about Soviet doctrines and CP cost? Because they are most expensive of all factions. The average CP cost for doctrine is 13.25 for standard CoH and Soviet doctrines costs 17,15,17 CP...

BurroDiablo wrote:
Personally, I'd like to see the ISU adopt its real-life role as a mobile Howitzer with a limited AT ability, and leave pure AT to a Tank like the IS-3 which would be on par with a King Tiger.

xD this is right what i think and what i would like to see as well. The ISU would be a cool mixture of both, a howizer & a (weakened) AT tank. I think this would fit very well, bringing some feeling in and it would actually create the new class of tanks which it was 65 years ago as well.

& nice to see finally a team member parttaking on the forums.

Paciat wrote:
Breakthru is the weakest doctrine (1.04) and Soviets need a better uber tank than an ISU-152. But IS-3 would be a IS-2 with more HP (boring).

What is the panther and the KT than? Its also a similiar looking vehicle just heavier and more armour. But for gods sake, this is not any boring at all for almost everybody here.

Last edited April 21, 2010 at 8:54 PM by Venoxxis