Ability suggestion thread:

There is a certain "cool factor" in your suggestions. But what does it add to the game. 10 seconds worth of blocking isn't worth 220-224 MP.

yeah i think the surrender ability would break the balance to extrem
so i dont think that an ability like this will come

But for a campaign it must be awesome. You could simulate the endless surrendered soviet or german soldiers marching along the way while enemy vehicles are drviving by

Yes but only for campaign, like in PE campaign.

yes in the campaingn this would be pretty cool
but only there

Killar wrote:
But for a campaign it must be awesome. You could simulate the endless surrendered soviet or german soldiers marching along the way while enemy vehicles are drviving by

IIRC the surrender deal is in the 6th or 7th Market Garden scenario. All those Red Caps with their hands in the air looks like a giant Conga Line.

In Arnhem mission. ;)

MG-42 starter tabs
These 1942-dated starter tabs are designed for use with the German MG-42 machine gun and allowed the easy insertion of the belt ammunition feed into the firing mechanism.

For 35/50 munitions allow faster reload for the MG-42
Lasts 15-20 seconds

Isent that the standard ammo belt for mg42? Why pay for something you already have? XD A drum magasin however would be sweet ;D

Suggestion: All tanks and weapons systems that were designed to use AP or HE rounds have the ability to switch ammo type (at a nominal muni cost). This option appears occasionally in vCoH and is certainlly found in ToV.

When I was talking about units surrendering, I obviously meant the campaign.

a thing what could work is that a unit (maybe stormpios) can create tank dummies.
they would look like normal tanks and the enemy can also attac them
they should cost only mp cant move and consists of wood and stones. so they would work like tank traps

they are only there that the enemy attac a units which isnt realy there.

example:
you build 2 panther dummys. enemy spotted and think damn i need something bigger... on the same time you had your real units on another place of the map ready to fight.

evilSpike wrote:
a thing what could work is that a unit (maybe stormpios) can create tank dummies.
they would look like normal tanks and the enemy can also attac them
they should cost only mp cant move and consists of wood and stones. so they would work like tank traps

they are only there that the enemy attac a units which isnt realy there.

example:
you build 2 panther dummys. enemy spotted and think damn i need something bigger... on the same time you had your real units on another place of the map ready to fight.

I like it :)

hehe thx bishop
i think this is something totaly new and gains some new nice tactics

Posted this in the wrong thread by mistake  :-X

Mr. wrote:
Perhaps, for an Infantry Squad armed with StG44's; the ability to go into Precision Mode or Assault Mode.

In Precision Mode, they fire their rifles Semi-Automatically, maintaining high accuracy even at longer ranges. While in Assault Mode, they fire fully automatically in order to deal high damage in a short time.

Maybe to prevent it from being abused, the switch could take a few seconds or have a cooldown timer, or some other system (such as switching to auto as a mun ability, similar to rifle's suppression fire).

blackbishop wrote:

evilSpike wrote:
a thing what could work is that a unit (maybe stormpios) can create tank dummies.
they would look like normal tanks and the enemy can also attac them
they should cost only mp cant move and consists of wood and stones. so they would work like tank traps

they are only there that the enemy attac a units which isnt realy there.

example:
you build 2 panther dummys. enemy spotted and think damn i need something bigger... on the same time you had your real units on another place of the map ready to fight.

I like it :)

Me too. :)

Moonwalker wrote:

blackbishop wrote:

evilSpike wrote:
a thing what could work is that a unit (maybe stormpios) can create tank dummies.
they would look like normal tanks and the enemy can also attac them
they should cost only mp cant move and consists of wood and stones. so they would work like tank traps

they are only there that the enemy attac a units which isnt realy there.

example:
you build 2 panther dummys. enemy spotted and think damn i need something bigger... on the same time you had your real units on another place of the map ready to fight.

I like it :)

Me too. :)

+1  :)

Mr wrote:

Moonwalker wrote:

blackbishop wrote:

evilSpike wrote:
a thing what could work is that a unit (maybe stormpios) can create tank dummies.
they would look like normal tanks and the enemy can also attac them
they should cost only mp cant move and consists of wood and stones. so they would work like tank traps

they are only there that the enemy attac a units which isnt realy there.

example:
you build 2 panther dummys. enemy spotted and think damn i need something bigger... on the same time you had your real units on another place of the map ready to fight.

I like it :)

Me too. :)

+1  :)

+1

How will it work against the AI?

The AI will attack the dummies as well (until they are destroyed).

right

but these dummys should also gain heavy cover for inf untill they are destroyed

Maybe few HP for dummies? To avoid an excessive advantage?

Moonwalker wrote:
Maybe few HP for dummies? To avoid an excessive advantage?

Why building Panther dummies when you can build working Panther turret emplacements.

Ostheer Army Fortress Troops->Improved Fortifications.
http://easternfront.org/forums/index.php?topic=5651.0

naa
i dont like the panther emplacements

the dummys arent there to fight. they are there for a low mp cost to fake a tank army

or you let your buildet tanks looks more like they are

and if you only have 2 tanks and there are 4-5 more dummy tanks the enemy first needs to look which tank shots

its not to gain you more fire power
its only a tactical thing!

maybe the dummy tanks can be upgraded with a mg34 gunner
but my original idea was to create only dummy tanks to fake a whole army and your real army is ready to counter attac while the enemy is fighting against fakes

Last edited July 17, 2011 at 8:49 PM by evilSpike

that also depends on the division ur fighting in campaign some may fight to the death others surrender mid-way

dummies shouldn't fight at all. All what they should to do is to distract enemy. He will think twice when he attacks.

like the blitzkrieg mod's 25 pounder dummy emplacement?

Re: dummies.
I like the idea of misdirection. If you give the Sov mechanics the ability to build dummies, for example; A Zis truck model could be used with Son y Lumiere projectors to blow smoke/dust and create tank sounds. drive it around to create confusion, maybe even an image of a T34 on the tactical screens to confuse Funks and tank awareness. Many players including myself rely on sound cues.

Quaker cannons, (static dummies), just seem to me to be inappropriate to the flavor of vCoH. I don't much like pantherthurms or mortar bunkers either. I was very pleased when they were removed from the Verriere Ridge map.

Otto wrote:Quaker cannons, (static dummies), just seem to me to be inappropriate to the flavor of vCoH. I don't much like pantherthurms or mortar bunkers either. I was very pleased when they were removed from the Verriere Ridge map.

The only problem with the Panther Bunker was that it was capture-able. I wouldn't mind a similar unit being made for the Ostheer, probably as a doctrinal unit due to it's strength. If it were a constructable defense, it wouldn't be too bad, it's be like an 88 with a shorter range, less damage, and more health.

The Mortar Bunker though, probably too strong to be build-able.

I don't have a problem with buildable or capturable, (that feature is kind of neat). I don't mind the combat abilities of the Pantherthurm or Mortar bunker either. I think they are kind of gimmicky, and the scaling issues don't make sense to me. If one Squad= a Company and one tank= a platoon one mortar bunker= a 4-8 weapon battery. there is an imbalance there. (I don't mean play balance). BTW be gentle with RedGuard. He is not well.

Not really a scale issue to me, with the Mortar Bunker. It's just too strong. It's got a rapid rate of fire, with little warning, a good range, and a quick cooldown. It's also a bunker, so yeah, can be a bit hard to clear as well.

A few demo charges.  ;)

Dummies would be fun. Just make them bulletproof. Panthers destroyed by rifle fire would defeat the purpose.

Last edited July 22, 2011 at 4:11 PM by blackbishop

Would it be possible to make an abilety like the thread breaker (or whata hell its called XD) but for the turret? You fire a focus shell on the enemy tank so the turret gets damaged so they cant move it.

It can shoot and all, but dont move. So it have to move the entie tank to that direction it gonna fire? :D Like an Stug ^^

Schwere Panzerabteilung (heavy tank battalion) for Army Elite Troops.

Requires: 4CP
Cost: 1300 MP and 200 fuel
Ability: Calls in 2 Tiger 1s help change the tide of the battle. Tigers being relatively rare and expensive, it can only be called in once!

Why this ability?
It does seem a bit overkill in the beginning but aside from the Panther, the Ostheer seems to have no tanks that can counter the Russian armour tide. 2 Tigers should help. IMHO this ability should replace the "Tiger production ability" as this ability will give the Ostheer to have both Tigers and Panthers (which is what's suppose to happen I think). In fact Tigers were always employed in these heavy tank battalions (aside from the Grossdeutschland division) and used to reinforce those who really need it, hence why I think it should be an off-map support unit and not a produced unit.

Hmmmmm.... seems interesting enough. But the fact you can only call it in once seems...weird, especially since its for 2 inferior Tigers and for 5 cp's :(. If this were to be implemented I would say raise the # of CP's and change the # of times you can deploy it. Or its cost. IDK.

Edit: Actually I take something back. It was stated that the Tger in Ostheer would be inferior but if this was to be implemented then perhaps they will not be inferior :P

Last edited September 16, 2011 at 11:09 PM by Fishhunterx

4CP? ROFLMAO

No... Back to the drawing board.

I don't see the problem with 4 CPs. And anyway the cost can be changed. My main point here is the idea in itself. And maybe it could be called in more than once. But not at the same time (i.e. When both tanks are destroyed).

Last edited September 17, 2011 at 3:33 AM by ubermensche

You don't see a problem with Tigers at 4CP? LOL

Regardless, ridiculously high cost abilities have no use in the game. Nobody except bridge map/compstompers will save up that exorbitant amount of resources. By the way, OH tanks are called in from off-map when they are built, they don't come from the building.

GodlikeDennis wrote:
You don't see a problem with Tigers at 4CP? LOL

Regardless, ridiculously high cost abilities have no use in the game. Nobody except bridge map/compstompers will save up that exorbitant amount of resources. By the way, OH tanks are called in from off-map when they are built, they don't come from the building.

Oh goody :P. More sneaks at Ostheer ;D. Just kidding

Sommarkatze wrote:
Would it be possible to make an abilety like the thread breaker (or whata hell its called XD) but for the turret? You fire a focus shell on the enemy tank so the turret gets damaged so they cant move it.

It can shoot and all, but dont move. So it have to move the entie tank to that direction it gonna fire? :D Like an Stug ^^

I like the idea but think a destroy main gun critical would be better. This tactic was used by 38Ts and PzIII's in 1941 and 1942 to overcome T34's and KV1's

For the mg34. How about an abilety that cost like.. 50 - 75 ammu? And that makes them deploy the mg immedialy ? Well maybe not like that fast. But in 1 sec?

It should only be active under like 30 sec?

50-75 muni for fast mg deploy???

Yeah. I took it kind of high or the allies fanboys would rage ;P

Fishhunterx wrote:
[...]It was stated that the Tger in Ostheer would be inferior but if this was to be implemented then perhaps they will not be inferior :P

where was said that OH tigers will be inferior? did i miss something? i didn't find anything about it in the official OH sneaks.

i guess they will start with decreased stats (like all OH tanks) but then get normal stats on 1st vet and some buffs on the other vets.
devs please correct me if i'm wrong ;)

Ghost wrote:

Fishhunterx wrote:
[...]It was stated that the Tger in Ostheer would be inferior but if this was to be implemented then perhaps they will not be inferior :P

where was said that OH tigers will be inferior? did i miss something? i didn't find anything about it in the official OH sneaks.

i guess they will start with decreased stats (like all OH tanks) but then get normal stats on 1st vet and some buffs on the other vets.
devs please correct me if i'm wrong ;)

You're right about decreased stats in the beginnig (rookie veterancy), furthermore it was said sometime in the past that OH Tigers are supposed to be slightly better Panthers.

Yeah I may have said something like that in the past. OH Tigers will likely be closer in performance to Panthers than the Wehr Tiger. It will be focused on AT more (since it's taking the role of the Panther as a buildable unit) whereas the Wehr Tiger is mostly focused on dominating infantry.

but tigers which takes place of the panther makes not realy sense...
dont forget OH has their own panthers...

but im sure we will find a way to balance buildable tigers :D

evilSpike wrote:
but tigers which takes place of the panther makes not realy sense...
dont forget OH has their own panthers...

but im sure we will find a way to balance buildable tigers :D

i think what GodlikeDennis means is that OH Tiger will be a tank killer like the OH panther and not an inf killing machine like the WM tiger. this makes perfect sense to me as the OH Tiger replaces the panther as buildable unit (after unlocking that in the doctrine tree). so it will simply be an improvement to OH panthers without changing the general style (AT and not inf killer) of the unit.

either way, buildable tigers sound awsome, cant wait till othseer!!! ;D