Ability suggestion thread:

That sounds a bit like GLA-style (C&C generals) contract killing, or playing CoD 4 in point earning mode.
Maybe it's a little early to suggest, since we haven't actually seen OH in action yet.
From all the ideas so far, my favorite would be the vet system one, where you have to "send away" your infantry (by placing it into HQ) for a time to get it vetted. That would be very original and interesting.

I played blitz as my main in CoH:O and was actually in the top 3 for the first few days before I stopped playing it. The pillage power is really quite a good idea, certainly more balanced than the stupid defensive power that gives resources when your OWN troops die.

My favourite power from blitz though is the flares. 30 munitions to reveal part of the map and make the enemy take more damage... YES PLEASE. I could always know an opponent's teching path. Rifles would melt to MGs when flared up. It was also a nice counter to the OP infantry doctrine invisibility.

I think we could add some wehr abilities for Ostheer like flares and infantry pillage... are very nice additions to be dropped. And as CoH already has that content included ::)...

Germans were exceeded 10 to 1 in the eastern front...to make up for that disvantaje they began to produce more automatic weapons(to have more fire power)....so i think that they should have a lot of units with the ability "supressing fire"....and another thing will the Ostheer have IA ???

Last edited February 23, 2011 at 4:00 PM by jaime

IA as in inspired assault from the terror doctrine?

How do u think about a terror tree like this :
left site :
1cp loud-healers at all vehicles (ammo 25) (a new button at every vehicle ) (can make a 10 seks pinned down of enemy)
2cp sector propaganda (250 ammo) ( tells : Russian soldiers , when you result to a german soldier they give you eat )
4cp V2 Rocket ( 500 ammo ) ( very destructive)
right site :
2cp : Marder II Tank destroyer (400 mp) (main gun : 7,5-cm-PaK 40)
3cp : Tank destroyer IV (800 mp) ( main gun : 7,5-cm-Pak 39 L/70)
5cp : Tank destroyer Ferdinand/Elefant (1200 mp) ( main gun : 8,8-cm-StuK 43/1 L/71 )

I hope u like this

Last edited March 11, 2011 at 10:23 PM by 57Panzerbrigade

New ability for SdKfz. 10 (could seem slightly OP  ;))

Via doctrine you can unlock an ability for the SdKfz. 10 that makes it able to salvage enemy tanks to add them for the own forces. This ability has a big cooldown and a certain resource cost.
I post this because in 1941, there were many soviet tanks (mostly T-34s) captured by the Wehrmacht due to their own lack of (good) tanks.
Any comments?  ;D

OP and bad gameplay.

I think OH Doctrines are already done and ready for the in-game transfer. ;)

But not too late to suggest, eh?
If there was no need, this thread would be closed, right?

MaxiKing6 wrote:
New ability for SdKfz. 10 (could seem slightly OP  ;))

Via doctrine you can unlock an ability for the SdKfz. 10 that makes it able to salvage enemy tanks to add them for the own forces. This ability has a big cooldown and a certain resource cost.
I post this because in 1941, there were many soviet tanks (mostly T-34s) captured by the Wehrmacht due to their own lack of (good) tanks.
Any comments?  ;D

Explained weaknesses in this suggestion before and i'll do it again imagine an OH with KT, Pershing, ISU 152, Elephant, Tiger and KV's.

Theres why it shouldnt be included.

MaxiKing6 wrote:
But not too late to suggest, eh?
If there was no need, this thread would be closed, right?

Indeed, you can suggest if you like; remember that what we post on the sneaky peaky thingy is our concept of the ostheer, in it's alpha stage... it can change if we feel will be imba or if a better idea appears.

When the Ostheer reaches it's beta stage you guys will be informed ;).

This is one of my lesser ideas but it would involve an ability to block allied airborne or air support from bein used during the time it is active. Ive toyed with the idea that a plane would cross over the battlefield every so often allowing allied players to shoot it down cancelling its affect. again if it hasnt been mentioned.

Yep discussed before, sorry bro. Seriously look it up on the search bar.

EDIT: Right here http://easternfront.org/forums/index.php?topic=2955.0

Last edited June 14, 2011 at 2:55 AM by neosdark

Damn should have gotten involved earlier

Most users thought that would be OP, so was discarded.

Forgive me Im new

merged.

DrRockzo1986 wrote:
Forgive me Im new

Oh come on, i'm not even scolding you ;D.

blackbishop wrote:
Most users thought that would be OP, so was discarded.

Makes sense, Air Patrol sounds alot of a direct counter to Airborne, not exactly something that would be seen as fit, Blackout from CoHO has the same idea in relation to blocking all abilities tho.

Hi all,
I know this is probably a bit late but i had an idea for how the Elefant could be implemented for the Ostheer.

Upon being called in it would be placed down on a position like the brit trucks are when they are called in. It is then immobile but has a range which could cover most of the map. It then only fires by ability, similar to artillery. When you have a target for it you select its albility and target it on the tank you want the living crap blown out of and then it fires a rapid volley of say, 3 to 4 shells at the target. it can then pack up and move to a new location. It also has a long reload time between barrages.

The basic idea is for it to be a sort of tank sniper, which is pretty much how it was used at Kursk. I was thinking it could be upgraded with a mg 42 for infantry defense or actually have a squad of infantry attached to it. the Mg would actually be albe to supress attackers so it actually does something. Anyway that my idea so some feedback would be appreiciated.

Thanks. ;)

Merged 8).

MajorBookworm wrote:
Hi all,
I know this is probably a bit late but i had an idea for how the Elefant could be implemented for the Ostheer.

Upon being called in it would be placed down on a position like the brit trucks are when they are called in. It is then immobile but has a range which could cover most of the map. It then only fires by ability, similar to artillery. When you have a target for it you select its albility and target it on the tank you want the living crap blown out of and then it fires a rapid volley of say, 3 to 4 shells at the target. it can then pack up and move to a new location. It also has a long reload time between barrages.

The basic idea is for it to be a sort of tank sniper, which is pretty much how it was used at Kursk. I was thinking it could be upgraded with a mg 42 for infantry defense or actually have a squad of infantry attached to it. the Mg would actually be albe to supress attackers so it actually does something. Anyway that my idea so some feedback would be appreiciated.

Thanks. ;)

PE has already Nashorn, who fits this role perfectly.

cephalos wrote:

MajorBookworm wrote:
Hi all,
I know this is probably a bit late but i had an idea for how the Elefant could be implemented for the Ostheer.

Upon being called in it would be placed down on a position like the brit trucks are when they are called in. It is then immobile but has a range which could cover most of the map. It then only fires by ability, similar to artillery. When you have a target for it you select its albility and target it on the tank you want the living crap blown out of and then it fires a rapid volley of say, 3 to 4 shells at the target. it can then pack up and move to a new location. It also has a long reload time between barrages.

The basic idea is for it to be a sort of tank sniper, which is pretty much how it was used at Kursk. I was thinking it could be upgraded with a mg 42 for infantry defense or actually have a squad of infantry attached to it. the Mg would actually be albe to supress attackers so it actually does something. Anyway that my idea so some feedback would be appreiciated.

Thanks. ;)

PE has already Nashorn, who fits this role perfectly.

+1, though I like the idea with that MG upgrade. It was done to Ferdinands after Kursk, so the upgrade could be named "Elefant" because after that upgrade and some changes to armour, commandant cupola, running gear + wider tracks.
That would make the Elefant slightly better in terms of speed, sight range and armour. Maybe and upgrade that comes with modernisation. ;)

I have a suggestion for the Ostheer;

Allow their infantry to ride on the sides of their tanks. Lower their defense rating while on the sides, but maybe increase the speed of the tanks a bit while it's carrying passengers to make it an actually viable option to transport troops in such a fashion. And while they are on the side, allow them to heal slowly, as if giving them their bodies a rest while traveling to the front, or retreating from it.

Also, suicide upgrades. Make it so their light vehicles can be packed with explosives so when their going to die anyways or something you can send it in and try and get an extra couple of kills out of it. Similar to the Goliath, except it can still perform it's basic functions, however if it could have transported troops, it no longer can due to the absence of space used for carrying explosives.

Thoughts?

Sidewinder wrote:
I have a suggestion for the Ostheer;

Allow their infantry to ride on the sides of their tanks. Lower their defense rating while on the sides, but maybe increase the speed of the tanks a bit while it's carrying passengers to make it an actually viable option to transport troops in such a fashion. And while they are on the side, allow them to heal slowly, as if giving them their bodies a rest while traveling to the front, or retreating from it.

Also, suicide upgrades. Make it so their light vehicles can be packed with explosives so when their going to die anyways or something you can send it in and try and get an extra couple of kills out of it. Similar to the Goliath, except it can still perform it's basic functions, however if it could have transported troops, it no longer can due to the absence of space used for carrying explosives.

Thoughts?

1) Same as russians tank Guards?

2) Simply ridiculous!

Last edited July 5, 2011 at 11:59 AM by Moonwalker

1. I didn't know that the Russians had this feature, sorry.

2. Make it cost 100 munitions? Just an idea.

Although, my suggestions are quite late, so even if they were approved I doubt they would make it in.


EDIT: I suppose a single accurate V2 rocket for one of their doctrines isn't possible?

Last edited July 5, 2011 at 4:24 PM by Sidewinder

Sidewinder wrote:
I have a suggestion for the Ostheer;

Allow their infantry to ride on the sides of their tanks. Lower their defense rating while on the sides, but maybe increase the speed of the tanks a bit while it's carrying passengers to make it an actually viable option to transport troops in such a fashion. And while they are on the side, allow them to heal slowly, as if giving them their bodies a rest while traveling to the front, or retreating from it.

Also, suicide upgrades. Make it so their light vehicles can be packed with explosives so when their going to die anyways or something you can send it in and try and get an extra couple of kills out of it. Similar to the Goliath, except it can still perform it's basic functions, however if it could have transported troops, it no longer can due to the absence of space used for carrying explosives.

Thoughts?

I LOLed hard when I saw prop. #2  ;D

Well, it may not be a very good suggestion, but at least it made a few people laugh, lol.

Suppose a troop carrier disguised as an enemy vehicle? You build it, stick some troops in it, and can use a impersonate ability to resemble a targeted enemy vehicle? Useful for getting around MG Nests, and flanking the enemy undetected.

Also, how about a tunnel of sorts? Build it at position 'A' and it transports units to position 'B'. The drawback is that it can be used by your opposition. Just make it have camoflauge netting or something.

Or perhaps dummy targets? Like fake Howitzer emplacements or dummy Hummels or something?

If you like Dummy targets and Trickery play some RUSE.


The Tunnel idea was suggested a long time ago (I know cause I used it in my Ostheer design) and I don't believe it had too many supporters.

Its the ostheer. Not the Vietcong bro ;P

neosdark wrote:
If you like Dummy targets and Trickery play some RUSE.


The Tunnel idea was suggested a long time ago (I know cause I used it in my Ostheer design) and I don't believe it had too many supporters.

We already planned to implement it as part of the Army Fortress Troops but looks like was too difficult to do.

The tunnel?

Would be cool, but sort of hard to do, cause my idea was to build one bunker and upgrade with this ability, and then another one with the exact same upgrade. When troops go into it, they are moved to the other bunker in a period of time determined by the Distance between the two bunkers. It seems complicated, so I doubt we could implement it in any case

Sidewinder wrote:
Well, it may not be a very good suggestion, but at least it made a few people laugh, lol.

Suppose a troop carrier disguised as an enemy vehicle? You build it, stick some troops in it, and can use a impersonate ability to resemble a targeted enemy vehicle? Useful for getting around MG Nests, and flanking the enemy undetected.

Also, how about a tunnel of sorts? Build it at position 'A' and it transports units to position 'B'. The drawback is that it can be used by your opposition. Just make it have camoflauge netting or something.

You my friend have played way to much C&C Generals, nice ideas though :P

Haha, I have never played C&C, except the one on the N64 (which was amazing btw, when I was like, 10).

Those are my suggestions, I don't know. Just trying to make some stuff that's unique and interesting. Providing more options of play and tactics.

Sidewinder wrote:
Haha, I have never played C&C, except the one on the N64 (which was amazing btw, when I was like, 10).

Holy crap I didnt think anybody other than me played that one

I spent days on that game, literally days. I unlocked all those stupidly hard missions, where you have to rescue some Nod guys trapped inside a fence with all sorts of vehicles driving around like Mammoth Tanks. Then the one where you use that commando guy to destory the sam sites to call in a jet to drop in a Construction Yard.

*sigh* Good times...

Hey guys, remember that you are in the Ostheer's ability suggestion topic :).

The tunnel/tesserac idea is too SciFi for EF. Off map movement would be a nice touch or even selectable Call-in locations. I suspect the modifications necessary to the GUI console would require hard-coded changes though.  :(

I don't think would be SciFi as the same principle was applied on the battlefield ;D... we used to call it "Earthbunker".

How about units surrendering in the mod. That would be awesome.

Tankbuster wrote:
How about units surrendering in the mod. That would be awesome.

Why?

Why should I surrender my troops?  :o

Tankbuster wrote:
How about units surrendering in the mod. That would be awesome.

The mechanics for forced surrender are already included in vOF. THe scenario with the King Tiger in it uses them.

Surrendering would propably destory gameplay or make it 100x different than it is now.

Remember how no retreat screwed Soviets up in the beginning..

the only way surrendering owuld work in my eyes would be a passiv ability of on eof the doctrins which leads into an auto surrender if the members of a squad are deduced to only a single one

for example:
ostheer has unlooked the surrender ability

a squad landser fights vs a squad strelky. strelky has only one solder alive in the squad which see the power of ostheer and surrenders.

this should not work with retreating units

but i dont think that something like this will be included^^

Moonwalker wrote:

Tankbuster wrote:
How about units surrendering in the mod. That would be awesome.

Why?

Why should I surrender my troops?  :o

Are the Italians making an appearence as foreign units?  ;D

MajorBookworm wrote:

Moonwalker wrote:

Tankbuster wrote:
How about units surrendering in the mod. That would be awesome.

Why?

Why should I surrender my troops?  :o

Are the Italians making an appearence as foreign units?  ;D

Of course they will ;D!

Sweet.  :)

Make an auto surrender when they run into engines.

Saves Pop Cap

please do not get angry at me. I was thinking like if a player has a few beaten up conscripts and they suddenly come into contact with like three panzer 4s. they should surrender. A bit like tank shock but causing units to surrender.
Or maybe if a few units are pinned for 10 seconds, they could surrender.