Summary of the Ostheer sneaks [WIP]

Crinkle wrote:
are the ostheer going to speak german in the way that russains speak russian?  i really dislike the english that the vanilla germans troops use

They will speak German.

@Fishhunterx: Do you understand the Soviets? ;)

Nope ;D

1) Ostheer tigers should be weaker than the normal ones.

2) Ostheer tigers will have a massive MP/FU upkeep IIRC.

3) You can build more than one, but you are going to cripple your resources.

blackbishop wrote:
1) Ostheer tigers should be weaker than the normal ones.

2) Ostheer tigers will have a massive MP/FU upkeep IIRC.

3) You can build more than one, but you are going to cripple your resources.

though I still think it's totally unbalanced: IF I'll build 2 tigers, my economy will cripple you say... ok, so I'd buy 1 Tiger, and fill the AT gaps with other tanks, like Panthers... oh, wait...

Looks like this ability will be almost instant lose ability - unable to push IS-2 spam back with Panthers, because they will be replaced with weaker and insanely expensive Tiger, maybe 2 Tigers.

That's just the idea cephalos. You shouldn't judge it by how it sounds, but how it works in the gameplay. Massive, cripple, weaker are just generic words to describe how it should be, they don't say chances or numbers.

When he says cripple I think he means a significant decrease in MP. So lets say each Tiger cost 22 mp upkeep And you MP upkeep b4 the Tigers was 250. If you build 2 that -44. That leaves you with 206. Thats significantly lower than b4 but doesn't mean your economy is "destroyed" per say. At least not like MP blitz for Wher :(.

Or maybe the Tiger will have a fuel upkeep like SU has muni upkeep ??? Who knows, maybe panthers are cheaper in Ostheer and more "spammable" like the IS-U 2 :P

Isn't Ostheer an Anti-Spam faction?  ;)

GodlikeDennis wrote:
Since Tigers are a doctrinal replacement for Panthers in the OH, we will make them just tougher Panthers, perhaps slightly better against infantry. They won't use the same infantry mulching stats of the Wehr Tiger though. They'll be primarily AT like the unit they replace.

Since it's supposed to just be a straight upgrade rather than giving you a better but more expensive unit. Tigers would have a cannon similar to Panthers (long range AT) but would have a little more health than Panthers. We can also adjust other small aspects.

Maybe make them a bit better VS Infantry than Panthers, but who knows. We've not gotten our hands on it to test it so all changes are way-way pending.

So can the buildable Tiger have abilities like shooting HEAT shells or smoke launchers to create cover ?

No, they won't have abilities like this as standard. They may gain abilities like that as one-time uses (see their vet model).

Ostheer Tigers will never use smoke dischargers ;).

Last edited August 19, 2011 at 3:55 AM by blackbishop

Is there an picture of the panzerfusiliers?

Sorry but I have removed some those images as being leaked to the general public was not their purpose. I have also hidden everything in my DeviantArt so there will be no more 'updates'.

Please stick to compiling and documenting things from Official releases...

Im thinking if the su-100 was brought back, that can be enough for the russians to use against it :P

but to be serious maybe having it at like 600mp 140 fuel, and how about a munitions cost hmm? maybe 25-50munitions??

or have the differences just like the kv-t34 series tanks. panthers are faster and turret can traverse faster, but tiger will be much slower but more powerfull gun and slightly more armour. make it vernerable to circle strafing from a lighter tank

trollgore wrote:
Im thinking if the su-100 was brought back, that can be enough for the russians to use against it :P

but to be serious maybe having it at like 600mp 140 fuel, and how about a munitions cost hmm? maybe 25-50munitions??

or have the differences just like the kv-t34 series tanks. panthers are faster and turret can traverse faster, but tiger will be much slower but more powerfull gun and slightly more armour. make it vernerable to circle strafing from a lighter tank

Stop bringing it up. The answer is no.

trollgore wrote:
Im thinking if the su-100 was brought back, that can be enough for the russians to use against it :P

but to be serious maybe having it at like 600mp 140 fuel, and how about a munitions cost hmm? maybe 25-50munitions??

or have the differences just like the kv-t34 series tanks. panthers are faster and turret can traverse faster, but tiger will be much slower but more powerfull gun and slightly more armour. make it vernerable to circle strafing from a lighter tank

You must really like this thing huh? Anyways this is the wrong place to post it, even if it was to be considered. And you want your SU-100 back? I want my special conscripts back! But we can't have everything can we? :P

BurroDiablo wrote:
Sorry but I have removed some those images as being leaked to the general public was not their purpose. I have also hidden everything in my DeviantArt so there will be no more 'updates'.

Please stick to compiling and documenting things from Official releases...

Ah shit just to late XD

BurroDiablo wrote:
Sorry but I have removed some those images as being leaked to the general public was not their purpose. I have also hidden everything in my DeviantArt so there will be no more 'updates'.

Please stick to compiling and documenting things from Official releases...

sorry, it wasn't my intention  :( i removed the links in the summary

Last edited September 8, 2011 at 11:35 AM by Ghost

It's okay, but there was some stuff there that hadn't even been shown to donors and probably balancers too. Those will be released in time, preferably when they are working in game (which should be soon) ;)

Are the pzb wielding infantry still part of the Ostheer? If so, are they able to damage heavy tanks, or will it be a bit realistic and that it's not going to do anything?

Nope, that's why they should get shrecks or use assault tanks from the tank support building :).

So, it can't do anything? Not even damage similar to PTRD at least?

They can damage light armor similar to the PTRD im assuming. Like the m8 greyhound or the t-70. Or m3 halftrack or stuart

both PTRD and PZB39 can do things against the light vehicles, although they would be firing at different things. I guess PZB39 does absolutely nothing against the big things

Last edited September 13, 2011 at 10:53 PM by irik

It's an AT rifle, those things never destroyed medium/heavy tanks, and roughly light tanks. Only if those guys would be the sole AT solution they would be as strong as you think.

irik wrote:
I guess PZB39 does absolutely nothing

Why would you say that ???. Its a counter to light armor,

Will Ostheer have muni upkeep ???

No, it won't.

Then that makes Soviets special ^^

Fishhunterx wrote:
Why would you say that ???. Its a counter to light armor,

Will Ostheer have muni upkeep ???

I edited it. I meant to say it doesn't do anything to heavy armor, but PTRD can.

Fishhunterx wrote:
Then that makes Soviets special ^^

I wouldn't say it :P.

@irik
If you are clever enough you can see what I tried to say ^^.

I think I get it now.

In the next Ostheer's sneak can you show us the Ostheer's buildings ?

Ostheer buildings have lowest priority

does that mean next Ostheer sneak is the Schutzen War Camp then?

irik wrote:
does that mean next Ostheer sneak is the Schutzen War Camp then?

Yes, will feature Schutzen War Camp units ;).

Last edited September 17, 2011 at 5:18 PM by blackbishop

and the last 2 missing t0 and t1 units :D

evilSpike wrote:
and the last 2 missing t0 and t1 units :D

If they're animated by then..

Shutzen War Camp has the most units, unit variations and modernisation upgrades, so the update may be a little later than scheduled, but when it comes it will be pretty huge.

I remember when updates would come on the 15th of every month. Will that still happen, or will updates only come as soon as it's done?

When they're done I guess :-\

the problem is not that we dont want to show you something
its more we cant

the needed modles/animations arent ready
and this would not looks so sexy if there is a panzerwerfer42 without animations right?

Just question.
What do model without animation ?
my tip....nothing
another question Red alert 2 units need animation too ?

All models need animations, otherwise they are just going to be nice blocks without actions.

When we say "animate", we mean someone that can export a model from 3D Max format to Relic format and set it up on the Object Editor.

Quoteexport a model from 3D Max format to Relic format

That's exactly the thing the most people fail with. The mod tools are a hell lot of work to set up and it often goes wrong like for me :P.

Oh nice thanks

Just curious, is there gonna be a diference in stats between the Army Fortress Troop doctrine King Tiger and the Terror Doctrine one? or just a cosmetic one, aside from the Henschel turret.

I would think it does more dmg :P. But you should ask someoe who actually has info on the stats :P

Fishhunterx wrote:
I would think it does more dmg :P. But you should ask someoe who actually has info on the stats :P

Well historically speaking the Henschel turret was slightly better armored and could hold more shells(same caliber) than the Porsche one, so I guess well just have to wait and see.

Sorry :-[. I said more dmg. I meant the Ostheer KT would do better overall. :P