Ostheer Update 6: Ostheer Army Troops

So.. A few question because my first ones (1st page) seem to be ignored  :P

Will the Panzernest (yes, I saw the picture) be an anti tank mine?

What's the 7 member squad in the first picture?

Its not a 7 member squad, just members from 2 Landstorm squads lol

So these are Landsers, right?

Landseers and Landstorm are two different words with two different meanings. You can alsways google them for more info  ;)

blackbishop wrote:

Troynl wrote:
@GSmirlis the Communist.
Why do you need Romanian army?
first Ostheer can also fight against USA, and Romanian didn't fight against the USA.
Second: it doesn't add much, calling them Romanian support, if you realy want your Romanian army, just RP it or something.

+1
Romanian support tree?? If at the end they made to be in the foreign units under a random name is enough for them.

+1 yeah! just add their name :D

QuoteWill the Panzernest (yes, I saw the picture) be an anti tank mine?

I think it will be a mg nest because in the picture you can clearly see the MG.

QuotePrioritised Support - 2CP (For a short period of time Ostheer produce more resources)

That's overpowerd because the Wehrmacht gets a ressource boost only as the last ability. I think you should switch it with Prioritised Weapons - 2CP (For a short period of time Ostheer produce units faster).

Last edited April 15, 2011 at 11:49 AM by walki1

walki1 wrote:
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QuotePrioritised Support - 2CP (For a short period of time Ostheer produce more resources)

That's overpowerd because the Wehrmacht gets a ressource boost only as the last ability. I think you should switch it with Prioritised Weapons - 2CP (For a short period of time Ostheer produce units faster).

i get your point but we don't know anything about duration and costs and how much additional ressources it will give. let's wait for OH beta balance tests  ;)

Baker wrote:
Looks pretty cool, though I thought you guys weren't going to do foreign troops?  I don't personally have a problem with it, just that's the tone I seem to have gotten from previous discussions on the topic.  ;)

I'm not so sure about the paratroopers since there were never any German airborne operations on the Russian Front (and none at all after the Battle of Crete in May 1941, though I'm sure most of you knew that already), but this mod isn't trying to be strictly historical so I suppose it's okay.

Just bugs me a leeetle.  :P

A few airborne dropes were done in Russia;for example,during the battle of Moscow,a company of FJ were dropped over the airport,but anyway they were not common,and not large enough to include more then 1-2 companies.

Much better picture of a Panzernest. It even explains how it was mobile!

http://www.warlordgames.co.uk/neo/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/osprey_panzernest.jpg

Please don't tell me pios can move it?  :D

No.
It wont be able to move.

Oh darn :(

Is it really supposed to be mobile?
As I understood from the illustration, that chariot was simply a mean of delivery.

i hope one foreign tank will be LT 38 (panzer 38t)
i think it deserve it :)

http://the.shadock.free.fr/Surviving_Czechoslowakian_armoured_vehicles.pdf

Oh boy! These are great news! :D That you did put the foreign troops in is also awesome!? The fanboys most go crazy right now :D However I have been woundering. The buidable tiger 1 ?

Dosent that one makes Wehrmachts Tiger 1 kind of useless? Well its still good and strong but the Ostheer can build one of their best units? XD

Owh and ofc. The Tiger 2 with Henschel turret!?

owh god..




Thank you<3 THank you<3 You guys are the best. As a bigtime nerd this is purely awesome. Iam currently broke big time but the minute I get money I will donate. You guys rock and are heroes<3

*Put iron crosses on the EF dev teams chest*

:-X
[currently throwing up]

@Sommarkatze - calm down mate....

Oh wow this update is really awe....

Hallo ich schrieb liebr in deutsch mein englisch ist ne so besonders^^

also find alles sehr klasse besonders das mit dem sdkfz für die luft unterstützung... ich würde aber den königstiger weglassen mit dem elefanten haben die dann 2 superschwerepanzer... setzt lieber den elefanten auf die stelle des königstigers (ist ja an sich schon eine festung^^) und da wo er vorher war den tausch vom phanter zum tiger dafür wechselt aber auch der marder II zun nashorn (8,8er für die front^^).. da wo der tiger vorher war einen wechsel des stugs zum jagtpanzer IV somit werden die standart einheiten gegen "Eliteeinheiten" gewechselt  würde dann auch besser zum namen passen...

nur so eine idee von mir ;)

Und eine Anmerkung von mir: Englisch wäre uns lieber ;)
Ich kann das lesen und verstehen, aber der Rest? Also; Auch
wenn dein Schulenglisch kein 1+ ist, so würden wir uns eher
über englische Anmerkungen freuen - weil dann eben mehr Leute
dran teilhaben können ;) -. In diesem Sinne: We would be happy when u could translate your text for the community.
Lord Rommel - EF-Dev

ps nice Infskins

Last edited April 15, 2011 at 4:21 PM by Lord Rommel

Das ist ein englisches Forum, auch wenn du überhaupt kein Englisch sprechen kannst, benutze doch bitte den Google-Übersetzer. Ist nicht gern gesehen. Ich übernehm das mal eben. Translation:

This is an English speaking forum, even if you can't speak any English, please use Google translator. Something like this isn't that welcome here. I'll take care of it.

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I like it all, but especially the SdKfz for air support. I'd leave out the King Tiger, with Elefant they have two super heavy tanks. Better would be setting the Elefant on the King Tigers spot (it's like a fortification itself^^) and where it has been before, add to Tiger replaces Panther the option to replace Marder II with Nashorn (8,8 for the front^^).. where the tiger has been before, a change from StuG III to JgPz IV would be good in favour of exchanging the standard units with "Eliteeinheiten" (elite troups), would actually fit the name [of the doctrine] better..

Just an idea by me ;)

ps nice Infskins

Maxi

Last edited April 15, 2011 at 4:24 PM by MaxiKing6

ja das ubersetzer!

lool :D

REDcommissar wrote:
ja das ubersetzer!

Der Übersetzer ;)

MaxiKing6 wrote:

REDcommissar wrote:
ja das ubersetzer!

Der Übersetzer ;)

Sind sie ein Grammar Nazi?

IJoe wrote:

MaxiKing6 wrote:

REDcommissar wrote:
ja das ubersetzer!

Der Übersetzer ;)

Sind sie ein Grammar Nazi?

Kind of, that's why I joined the translators. But I am under no circumstances a nazi.  ;)

Sorry for that - I should've added some smileys  :-[

MaxiKing6 wrote:

IJoe wrote:

MaxiKing6 wrote:

REDcommissar wrote:
ja das ubersetzer!

Der Übersetzer ;)

Sind sie ein Grammar Nazi?

Kind of, that's why I joined the translators. But I am under no circumstances a nazi.  ;)

I'm guessing he was refereeing to this

Last edited April 16, 2011 at 5:47 PM by Rizz

I've no idea what is it.  ???

Anyway we're OT. ;)

just wondering if the stuka you will be useing is going to be the Ju 87 B/D or are you going for the more specialized Ju 87 G with the 37 mm (1.46 in) Flak 18 guns mounted under the wings?

They way I envisioned the Stuka, it would dive in and unload a single 250kg bomb precisely on target, it would work like an underpowered V1 or a plane crash, also I don't think it should be able to be called in in the base sector. This isn't an ability you'd be able to just drop wherever you have LoS, you'd need the Luftkommand vehicle (or whatever the feck it's going to be called) nearby in order to call in such a devastating attack. However, not being lead designer or a balance expert, in the end it'll be down to whatever works in the fairest and most balanced way.

to be honest i dont like the foreign support thing, is it to late to think of something else to replace it?

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how about like westren support, kinda of like having vetren units from the other axis factions

Last edited April 17, 2011 at 10:48 AM by Mattdamon07

Mattdamon07 wrote:
to be honest i dont like the foreign support thing, is it to late to think of something else to replace it?

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how about like westren support, kinda of like having vetren units from the other axis factions

So...you'd create a new faction and instead of new units, you'd have the ability to call units from the old 2 factions and fight alongside the old factions....right, pretty original. Mix and match WH/PE and call it Ostheer?

Zerstörer wrote:

Mattdamon07 wrote:
to be honest i dont like the foreign support thing, is it to late to think of something else to replace it?

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how about like westren support, kinda of like having vetren units from the other axis factions

So...you'd create a new faction and instead of new units, you'd have the ability to call units from the old 2 factions and fight alongside the old factions....right, pretty original. Mix and match WH/PE and call it Ostheer?

+1 Zerstorer  ;)

Where is it possible to download this version? :'(

OSTHEER IS DONE WHEN IT DONE!

No download - we will INFORM u about release...

Oooh boy, Doctrines~!

Although like others, I'd like to share a few of my thoughts...


Luftwaffe Support
Recon Command reminds me of Radar Van from C&C:Generals, heh, it's a pretty neat idea. But do they have a limited range for calling in support? Also, seeing how small Brandenburger squads are, I'm willing to bet they're as tough as the Ritterkruez.


Foreign Support
Calling in Foreign troops sounds fun, but why not give foreign troops the same stats while simply alternating their uniforms and names? Sort of like Dark Templar in SCII. It would be simpler, I guess?


Assault Battalion
Jaegers sound fun to use, but the Tiger production sort of feels like a double-edged sword to me. I mean, you still get Tigers, which are stronger, but you'd lose the ability to field Panthers, which are faster, and I would presume, cheaper.


Improved Defences
Question. How well would the Wespe be compared to PE's Hummel?


Improved Supply
Why not make Prioritized Support and Prioritized Weapons toggle-able? That way, a OH player can prioritize either on his/her resources, weaponry, or balance the priorities.



Well, some of my ideas/suggestions look stupid, I know, but I just thought I'd share my thoughts a bit. Thanks.

Hi there!! Good job kamarads!
1. I thing it was a good ideea to combine Self propeled arty with Luftwaffe Recon. Reveal and hit tactic..:-?
2. I thing the Sturer Emil is more beautiful than Elephant...
3. Aaand...i hope that the  Wespe is a little bit violent than Hummel (fast move on the ground and fast reload)?

sorry about my english:(

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It will be nice if we could take down Stuka Recon ..and for a some time nothing fly above our heads...the zone will be again in shadow if the stuka is silent.

sorry about my f..english grammar:(

Last edited April 17, 2011 at 9:28 PM by edeka009

stuka recon would be fucked up and stupid , should be more like messershmicht recon instead

Hummel had bigger gun than wespe IIRC

The devs know what they're doing so dont worry :)

edeka009 wrote:
Hi there!! Good job kamarads!
1. I thing it was a good ideea to combine Self propeled arty with Luftwaffe Recon. Reveal and hit tactic..:-?
2. I thing the Sturer Emil is more beautiful than Elephant...
3. Aaand...i hope that the  Wespe is a little bit violent than Hummel (fast move on the ground and fast reload)?

sorry about my english:(

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It will be nice if we could take down Stuka Recon ..and for a some time nothing fly above our heads...the zone will be again in shadow if the stuka is silent.

sorry about my f..english grammar:(

I would like to think that Sturer Emil could be the reward unit for the Elefant :).

blackbishop wrote:I would like to think that Sturer Emil could be the reward unit for the Elefant :).

Also Nashorn could be a good/cool/sexy unit, more important than Sturer Emil (480 units produced against 2).

Anyway... ;D

Last edited April 17, 2011 at 10:33 PM by Moonwalker

Where we can play this masterpiece? ???

777Mais777 wrote:
Where we can play this masterpiece? ???

You mean ostheer?? Don't know, it's not released yet.

777Mais777 wrote:
Where we can play this masterpiece? ???

Dude, you asked the same question twice on the same thread. For Christ sake Lord Rommel posted a DIRECT and IMMEDIATE response:

Lord wrote:
OSTHEER IS DONE WHEN IT DONE!

Good job boys, finally some new pics of infantry. I'm waiting for Ostheer to include new models + skins into my new comic book. I have quite a good story ready for long time but I was waiting for new graphics.

Some notes about doctrines:
1. another King Tiger seems redundant, please consider a change. For example:
Prestige troops (3CP)- thanks to your prestige Army Command will send you some experienced troops
- player active ability, for a period of 1min. all experience of all unit gained during combat is doubled, cooldown 5min.

or

Field promotion (4CP) - every unit will receive a possible upgrade which when activated will add one level of veterancy automatically, it will be possible only from level 0 to 1 and only once. The cost would be in MP, equal to half of the unit's cost in MP. (i.e. if an infantry with cost of 300MP will be upgraded, it will cost additional 150MP and will receive veterancy level 1)

2. Tiger which replaces Panther - IMO Panther should not be included in Ostheer, instead of it Tiger should, doctrinal ability could then call-in Nashorn for example

Execuse me,i don't speak english very well...((

Lord wrote:
OSTHEER IS DONE WHEN IT DONE!

Dude gotta change my Signatur to this :P.

shouldn't be there "Ostheer is done when is done" ?

Field promotion sounds quite cool, but I'd rather see it as an off map ability, not as an upgrade.

Don't touch my Panther:))
More Tigers it seem to OP...and Panther is a good tank. What u can say about Panther II? Panther II vs T34-85 :>?

Nashorn
This is the Big Brother of Sturer and Marder. We allready have Marders, so next "born" is Sturer Emil...

Conclusion.
I knew...all of us want all the toys from the store...like a bad-bad f***ing kid! We must to decide quickly(because i want to play ostheer before i die:)) )...to chose between these uncomparable beautys,...it's sad, but thing that one day u will play with yankees vs "All Stars Ostheer"...and u'll cry after..
That's what i thing.

P.S.
By the way...we have a chance to play with all this beauty...only if our devs make a "evolution" in history (after Osther,no rush:) )

excuse my english pls:(

edeka009 wrote:
Don't touch my Panther:))
More Tigers it seem to OP...and Panther is a good tank. What u can say about Panther II? Panther II vs T34-85 :>?

Nashorn
This is the Big Brother of Sturer and Marder. We allready have Marders, so next "born" is Sturer Emil...

Why bother to include new units if you can put all units from Wehr+PE and just change skins/adjust combat values?

I like Panther too, but I'm not looking forward to see it in Ostheer. What about making a Tiger which will have same combat data as Panther? Would it be ok? Panther model inside Tiger skin. And honestly I don't know where it come from that Tiger is OP, because there is no problem to decrease some of its values if this was the problem.

Regarding Nashorn: it is still better than remodelled King Tiger... if devs have new model of KT why don't they just replace the present model in Terror doctr. of Wehr? It would be better solution.

Is not bad what ar u saying there..diversification..:D...but..if i/we remember well, the tiger replace panther because of doctrine...what u put in doctrine to replace?
I tought it'll be OP because i try not to denigrate the Force power and the prestige of "Saint" Tiger:))...like u.. for example :)).joke;) good idee seriously! Devs'll decide that:D

King tiger
U know that was replaced with Jagdtiger...maybe with reason to insert here in ostheer...i don't know:-??...that tank inspire fear and "hard to kill"..Nashorn is..."cabriolette";))

walki1 wrote:

Lord wrote:
OSTHEER IS DONE WHEN IT DONE!

Dude gotta change my Signatur to this :P.

I'm doing this too! XD