Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

WE: Motorrad -> Opel Blitz
US: Jeep -> M29 Weasel (could be used like the bren carrier in-game, only weaker armour maybe still same as jeep, it would also havie no mg, making it not same like Carrier)
PE: Aufklärungsfahrzeug (sry dont know name in Englisch version of Game) -> Pz. 1
Brit: Stuart -> Vickers 6-Ton, bren Carrier -> Daimler Dingo

Last edited August 5, 2010 at 10:34 AM by Muesliriegel

Muesliriegel wrote:
WE: Motorrad -> Opel Blitz
US: Jeep -> M29 Weasel (could be used like the bren carrier in-game, only weaker armour maybe still same as jeep, it would also havie no mg, making it not same like Carrier)
PE: Clarification Vechicle (Eithier AC or Vampire HT) -> Pz. 1
Brit: Stuart -> Vickers 6-Ton, bren Carrier -> Daimler Dingo

:P

Last edited August 5, 2010 at 12:08 PM by Newbie.

QuoteWE: Motorrad -> Opel Blitz

not possible, it already has a replacement (schwimmwagen)

Damn i forgott about that schwimm...

What about giving the opel blitz as a reward for the muniHT, and give the ability to reinforce to it and instead give the muniHT a passive ability to reduce the cost of the abilities.

blackbishop wrote:
What about giving the opel blitz as a reward for the muniHT, and give the ability to reinforce to it and instead give the muniHT a passive ability to reduce the cost of the abilities.

muniHT just got the reenforce ability in patch 1.2
and why would i build an opel blitz if i can have the infHT for transport/reenforcements? it should have at least some cool ability...

what about a progaganda HT (like the one in enemy at the gates) to replace the muni or funkwagen? it could have some abilities like force retreat, demoralize enemies or making your troops fight harder

El wrote:
...what about a progaganda HT (like the one in enemy at the gates) to replace the muni or funkwagen? it could have some abilities like force retreat, demoralize enemies or making your troops fight harder

+1

Shadowmetroid wrote:

El wrote:
...what about a progaganda HT (like the one in enemy at the gates) to replace the muni or funkwagen? it could have some abilities like force retreat, demoralize enemies or making your troops fight harder

+1

+2

Wouldnt that sort of replacement better suit the vampire halftrack

edit: nvm just noticed you said that :P

Last edited August 7, 2010 at 1:29 PM by Raider217

Raider217 wrote:
Wouldnt that sort of replacement better suit the vampire halftrack

edit: nvm just noticed you said that :P

something to replace that useless unit would be great.

Versedhorison wrote:

Raider217 wrote:
Wouldnt that sort of replacement better suit the vampire halftrack

edit: nvm just noticed you said that :P

something to replace that useless unit would be great.

The vampire halftrack isn't useless and never will be, before 1.20 it was more useful than muniHT. The point is that many people don't like/use it but doesn't mean that is useless.

Vampire is very useful if you are good to use it. ;)
If you have a lot of ammo you can deploy Goliath and kill blobs of enemy infantry with camouflage ability (this strategy works well against British infantry abuser) and scout enemy infantry in your sector (over remove resources from the enemy if you put it in his territory).
I often build Vampire in my 1v1/2v2 PE ranked games (because I often find infantry abuser  >:()

Last edited August 10, 2010 at 4:49 PM by Moonwalker

Vampire is a good unit but I never build one in 1v1s because I am busy trying to hold off an immense American blob with the few, expensive units I have. They get alot of use in my 2v2s though, works well with hummels.

Vampire + tank awareness = Winner!!! :D.

If PE didn't devore a lot munis, the goliath could be viable as antiblob-measure in 1vs1.

How about another "Marder" model as reward unit for PE's marder.

Marder III Ausf.H

or

Marder I 75 mm Pak 40 auf GW FCM-36(f)

There many other Marder models also.

Marder II Tank Destroyer...like in Codname Panzers  ;D

http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marder_II

Good idea Snuggie, I suggested the same thing, in the fashion of replacing the M10 with the M36.

Replace the current oversized marder model with a new one of the Ausf H version, same stats, just new (and better) model.

Cheers

Well since there have been many request for Italian Army (wich was actually way to weak to be a own faction in coh) i thought of a infantry replace unit.
Volksgrenadiere -> Italian Riflemen (Or something like that)

luz777 wrote:
Good idea Snuggie, I suggested the same thing, in the fashion of replacing the M10 with the M36.

Replace the current oversized marder model with a new one of the Ausf H version, same stats, just new (and better) model.

Cheers

Hey thanks Luz777  ;D

but i was thinking they could add it as a reward unit, so basicly a reward mader model with other abilities/advantages/disadvantages...

But well it kinda depends on if TD, HT, sweeten2213 or any of the other awesome Relic comunity modelers comes up with such a model.

QuoteReplace the current oversized marder model with a new one of the Ausf H version, same stats, just new (and better) model.

I totally dont like the idea of replacing Ausf.M with Ausf.H...Ausf.M Marder just looks cool.

Hehe, I guess its all down to preference, I just find the Ausf H much cooler looking than the Ausf M for some reason.

The main reason in this case though is the stock relic model simply being far too big.

Aye, i can't see it happening unless someone takes it upon themself to make a model for it, still, I'm sure there'll be some more interesting reward units in the next patch or so.

Cheers

sd.kfz.234/3

as a reward unit for the Wehr puma.

The reward units you mentioned are practically the ones i had in mind, although some reward infantry would be nice

I am particularly interested in seeing your ideas for Reward Infantry.

for brits, uk and pe it's quite difficult to replace inf units because the have just a few.
but for wehr i have some ideas:

Marksman - replaces sniper
1 man, scoped K98, increased range but reduced rate of fire, makes him an efficient sniper killer but weaker vs. inf

Sturmpioniers - replace KnightsCrossHolders
4 men, 2 flamers, 2 mp40, gain incendiary grenades on vet 1 and haftladung (anti-tank charge) on vet 3

Sabotage Squad - replaces Stormtroopers
4 men with mp40, can camo, plant demo charge, gain "slow the advance" ability (vehicles in that sector have reduced movement speed) on vet 2

Artillery Spotters - replace Officer
2 men with k98, can call-in various arty (higher vet unlocks additional abilities)
vet 0: mortar barrage (2-3 shots)
vet 1: precision arty strike (1 shot)
vet 2: smoke barrage
vet 3: arty barrage

If any faction needs new units it's the PE or Brits.
looking forward to Ostheer and all the interesting little problems to iron out that follows inevitibly from a new faction.

So my suggestions for reward units:
Brits desperately need a new infantry unit and something to boost their manpower because they eat through it at an astonishing rate.
and a tank destroyer that can be obtained sooner than the firefly.
what really baffles me is the lack of call in air support the Western allies get unless you go airborne doctrines this is lacking.
even with airborne doctrines a severe lack of air attack forces. i mean it was pivotal in their counter to German armour on many occasions.
even just a one-shot airattack from a fighter-bomber ability for squad leaders. but i suppose my complaint is more against the whole British faction as a whole so i'll just stick with suggesting the Archer tank
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archer_(tank_destroyer)
to replace the churchill crocodile i think would be best. ideally it would be buildable from the armour support but i don't know how doable this would be.
This one tank destroyer would add a very much needed mobile element to anti-armour that is currently obtained sooner by both their american allies (tank destroyer), Wehrmacht (stug).

Or alternatively to add in more armour variation in the british armour doctrine simply adding a munitions cost to upgrading the churchill tank with a flamer or AVRE launcher would open up two new slots for tanks or other abilities. i think this could be done feasibly without overpowering the British (it is the armour doctrine for gods sake. i mean look at the soviet armour doctrine its crammed with brilliant armour.

I've always wanted to see a Reward unit for the commandos as the Long-Range Battlegroup..

I was thinking

Raiders - Replace Commandos

5x men, 4x Lee-Enfield No. 1 and 1x Lewis MG, Good Vs. Infantry.

Desert Jeep - Call in a Land-Rover with 2 Vickers HMG's Added to it. Replace Tetrach.

And a Desert Pioneir Unit, Replace Sappers.

4x men armed with M1 Thompsons, can build MG nests, Mortar nests, and Arty, but not 17 Pdr and Bofors.

WartyX wrote:
I am particularly interested in seeing your ideas for Reward Infantry.

Right what about....

Russians
Siberian Infantry-possibly as a reward unit for partisans, I imagine they would be armed with rifles and sniper weapons + some kind of ambush ability.

Black Sea Marines- Tough defensive infantry  (i know we already have a model for them) maybe armed with a heavy machine gun as an alternative to the mortar team. 

Brits
Totally agree with Newbie's suggestion +1

Possibly a Commonwealth infantry regiment as some kind of replacement (cheaper, faster and larger squad but at the cost of poorer weapons and equipment) infantry formation. 

Americans

Maybe the 1st Infantry division (Big Red One) as some kind of elite infantry to replace rangers. 

Germans

Gebirgsjäger (Mountain troops)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gebirgsj%C3%A4ger
Some kind of recon infantry role (perhaps the ability to use  binoculars) with excellent ranged weapons. 

MAYBE one of the foreign SS formations such as the Nordland if it didn't prove too controversial to include them.  Perhaps include them with an ambiguous title such as "Foreign assault troops" and give them an ability similar to "For the Fatherland" (perhaps even remove their ability to retreat to represent them as fanatics). 

Well i agree that the Big Red 1 should be represented in game, but its a unit of infantry, they aren't particularly unique. Maybe they would be a replacement for the Rangers in the sense that they are elite AI infantry.

Fighting First Assualt Squad- Replaces Rangers

5 men armed with 1 Johnson LMGs, 3 M1A1 Thompsons, and 1 BAR. They have Satchel Charges (for building clearing) and the Fire Up ability. They can be upgraded with M1928A1 (to replace the M1A1) which have a 50 bullet Round Drum and a Cutts Compensator for decreased recoil for 75 munitions. They are extremly good against infantry but are near useless against anything with more Armor than an Armored Car.

well if replace commandos then with SAS troops... :)

Big Red One infantry (I know this is not a very creative name :P).

6 men armed with, 3 M1A1's Thompson's and 2 M1 Garands and 1 BAR

They have the ability to place an explosive charge on vehicles, but ONLY if they are either locked down of Immobilised.

They can be upgraded with one of the following 3 packages.

Heavy weapons package: Replaces the BAR with a Browning M1919A6 LMG for added firepower. The LMG have the ability to fire Armor Piercing rounds for a short period of time to be somewhat useful against light armor

Fireteam package: Replaces the 2 M1 Garands with 2 Scoped M1 Garand, they're much more accurate than a normal M1. Adds a marksman ability like the Tommies with the recon package for a single powerful sniper shot.

Assault team Package: Replaces all the weapons in the squad except the BAR with M1928A1 Thompson's with 50 round drums for added close range firepower. Adds a assault ability where they will charge an enemy squad while pining them down before getting in close to finish the job.

NOTE: I've decided not to give them either Bazookas or Recoilless rifles because I'm pretty sure that they then would make the rangers Obsolete, instead you have the choice between a squad that is good vs infantry and tanks, and another squad that is excellent vs infantry, but pretty bad vs tanks.

Last edited August 21, 2010 at 2:48 PM by Skykid93

Seeme wrote:
People dont want that tank becuase its ugly?

To tell you the truth, I think the Stug is a very ugly in real life, and super ugly in the gane. That still dosent mean I dont use it.

What? Stug is ugly? I actually love it, for its low profile, sport car like(for me), robust look with every practical use in game. Its an early pusher and it is better than Panzer IV, which look better but have little chance against T 34. Stug IV maybe is a lesser vehicle than the SU 85, but with micro and Paks help it could off set early Su 85 rush. Although I admit Su 85 is a better assault gun than I thought.

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blackbishop wrote:

Versedhorison wrote:

Raider217 wrote:
Wouldnt that sort of replacement better suit the vampire halftrack

edit: nvm just noticed you said that :P

something to replace that useless unit would be great.

The vampire halftrack isn't useless and never will be, before 1.20 it was more useful than muniHT. The point is that many people don't like/use it but doesn't mean that is useless.

Nope, its a unit that PE player take advantage of, its map detection as early warning and the fact you can hide it  and drop goliath makes it useful, just that no one like a vehicle that can't shoot back when get shot. And the fact munition HT always on the move, unlike vampire which have to remained at the spot until it had to move. And when your not paying attention, vampire is very much a sitting duck. And muntion always a better infantry and vehicle support option, vampire is considered an optional unit.

Last edited August 21, 2010 at 4:18 PM by PanzerWilly

I didn't say the stug wasn't useful, its just ugly.

Skykid93 wrote:
Big Red One infantry (I know this is not a very creative name :P).

6 men armed with, 3 M1A1's Thompson's and 2 M1 Garands and 1 BAR

Assault team Package: Replaces all the weapons in the squad except the BAR with M1928A1 Thompson's with 50 round drums for added close range firepower. Adds a assault ability where they will charge an enemy squad while pining them down before getting in close to finish the job.

Is it me or did u just steal my design from the previous page with the Assualt Team package. Is this a deliberate theiving or u just didn't notice my post?

neosdark wrote:

Fighting First Assualt Squad- Replaces Rangers

5 men armed with 1 Johnson LMGs, 3 M1A1 Thompsons, and 1 BAR. They have Satchel Charges (for building clearing) and the Fire Up ability. They can be upgraded with M1928A1 (to replace the M1A1) which have a 50 bullet Round Drum and a Cutts Compensator for decreased recoil for 75 munitions. They are extremly good against infantry but are near useless against anything with more Armor than an Armored Car.

The Fighting First is the Big Red One just two different nicknames for the same 1st Infantry Division.

neosdark wrote:

Skykid93 wrote:
Big Red One infantry (I know this is not a very creative name :P).

6 men armed with, 3 M1A1's Thompson's and 2 M1 Garands and 1 BAR

Assault team Package: Replaces all the weapons in the squad except the BAR with M1928A1 Thompson's with 50 round drums for added close range firepower. Adds a assault ability where they will charge an enemy squad while pining them down before getting in close to finish the job.

Is it me or did u just steal my design from the previous page with the Assualt Team package. Is this a deliberate theiving or u just didn't notice my post?

Sorry, I did see your post, but i didn't notice the name, I was very tired at the time. I actually got the idea for the names from "Brothers in Arms". Again I am very sorry for unintentionally thieving your ideas,

Last edited August 22, 2010 at 10:23 PM by Skykid93

panzer elite
sturmtiger(max1 at the same time) replace the hummel
every shot cost ammo like the avre

evilSpike wrote:
panzer elite
sturmtiger(max1 at the same time) replace the hummel
every shot cost ammo like the avre

Hmmm interesting idea but i think it would have to be a one off one time call in like the KT.  I had considered something similar with it replacing the V1 rocket in the terror doctrine. 

As another idea for reward infantry, how about fitting in the Black Watch for the British somewhere (although i'm not sure what they could replace)? 

*Replace the V1 one rocket with a stolen atomic from the USA, Blows up half the map and anything that used to be on there.* 10,000 Muni.

The germans had their own brilliant scientists by that time, and some people think that Germany could made first the atomic bomb, but they were afraid of Hitler so they sabotaged their own experiments to present the mass reaction as failure.

I don't think that there's something that can replace the tremendous force of a V1... perhaps a V2.

Or my suggestion.

Nukes in CoH... now theres my little slice o' heaven... ;D

mh i think its a good idear
sturmtiger replace the the hummel
its a call in like the kingtiger
a shot should cost 100, range a little bit lower than hummel and less damage than the v1


for wehrmacht
Panzerkampfwagen II "Flamingo" - Sd.Kfz. 122 replaces the Schützenpanzerwagen (SdKfz 251/1)
better armor than the sdkfz therefore you cant refresh your squad and later no stuka!

for uk
spy
replace the captain
he looks like a wehrmacht soldier but he is still british ;-)
he is alway cloaked and moved a little bit faster than a cloaked sniper. he can only be revealed by a schwimmwagen / bike (same as you need to hunt snipers)
he is unarmed but he has the ability so slow down infantry (cost ammo)

usa
only in armor doctrin you have the m36 jackson

hope you like my idears ;-)

evilSpike wrote:
[...]
usa
only in armor doctrin you have the m36 jackson[...]

the m36 is a direct reaplacement for the m10 because there was a bug with the m10 that could not solved.

Perhaps a silly idea, but maybe a bagpiper as a replacement for the Lieutenant? He could perhaps boost the damage a bit while giving no (or a lower) speed bonus to infantry.
As an ability it could perhaps play the pipes which boosts the speed of walking a bit  (sort of like a fire up ability).
Cheers

Tico_1990 wrote:
Perhaps a silly idea, but maybe a bagpiper as a replacement for the Lieutenant? He could perhaps boost the damage a bit while giving no (or a lower) speed bonus to infantry.
As an ability it could perhaps play the pipes which boosts the speed of walking a bit  (sort of like a fire up ability).
Cheers

then have multiple pipers doing cumulative boost effects, so a squad of inf move as fast as a motorcycle :).

blackbishop wrote:
The germans had their own brilliant scientists by that time, and some people think that Germany could made first the atomic bomb, but they were afraid of Hitler so they sabotaged their own experiments to present the mass reaction as failure.

I don't think that there's something that can replace the tremendous force of a V1... perhaps a V2.

or Karl 60mm shot

cephalos wrote:

blackbishop wrote:
The germans had their own brilliant scientists by that time, and some people think that Germany could made first the atomic bomb, but they were afraid of Hitler so they sabotaged their own experiments to present the mass reaction as failure.

I don't think that there's something that can replace the tremendous force of a V1... perhaps a V2.

or Karl 60mm shot

Or a Bombing run from 20 HE-111s?

That's amazing! Exactly what I was thinking!. How about...one doctrine has no units or abilities whatsoever except one called 'The Big Red Button' at 18CPs. When you reach it...you press the ability and He111 carpet bomb all the map except your base sector...then a V2 lands on your opponents base.

Last edited August 28, 2010 at 2:07 PM by Zerstörer

I wish I could see it  ;D

What happens if your units aren't on your base?