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Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

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#40640

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

In that case I hope its worse then the tanks the japs made.
The Russians think there sooo tough, wait till the Ostheer comes...

Coh Name: Seeme
#40647

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

Seeme wrote:
In that case I hope its worse then the tanks the japs made.


haha yeah  ;D
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#40651

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

Ok, allow me to throw another possible idea into the blender,  what about including the M36 "Jackson" Tank Destroyer?
"if there's one thing we've learnt in the last thousand miles of retreat, it's that Russian agriculture is in dire need of mechanisation"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEle_DLDg9Y&
#40659

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

i like slugger i think it should be in CoH from its starts instead of M10 better armor better gun with 50 cal... :)
#40662

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

QuoteOk, allow me to throw another possible idea into the blender,  what about including the M36 "Jackson" Tank Destroyer?

Nice idea, though i dont know if it will not make americans OP, nevertheless i would like to see this TD in game. But most of all ill want to see the 25pdr SP Sexton as a reward unit for 105 Priest (to make it different from the Priest it could fire +1 shell and have longer fire distance, but worse accuracy, or something between those lines).

@GamblerSK i like your Slavín Avatar :)
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#40663

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

We need a tank destoryer that dosent get blown up instantly.
The Russians think there sooo tough, wait till the Ostheer comes...

Coh Name: Seeme
#40667

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

Seeme wrote:
We need a tank destoryer that dosent get blown up instantly.


Italian 105-25 Bassotto (called Dachsl by German soldiers)  ;)
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#40669

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

Seeme wrote:
We need a tank destoryer that dosent get blown up instantly.


But it has to replace the right units.
Replacing the M10 would be redicilous, because it would be better in any case. - and that wont happen, because the M10 has a reward unit already, the M18.

Considering the gun-performance and the up-armoured hull and the new, bigger and better armoured turret this tank almost got pershing power. being faster than the pershing, it would make up a good reward units for it. - faster, better penetration, less armour.



@ the devs, is it possible to replace for example the hetzer (a multi call-in unit in general) by a unit which can be called only once during one season?

would be really interesting to know for new reward unit suggestions!


Regards,

-V-
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#40689

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

But mabey is can be a 1 time call-in?
The Russians think there sooo tough, wait till the Ostheer comes...

Coh Name: Seeme
#40691

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

Lets code an end game "nuke option" wherein ,when anyone of the players are left with just their base we can do a "Finish Him"!!!!

and then nuke his base :D :D

"btw the longest distance tank to tank kill record is held by the british challenger 2 with its rifled 120 mm main cannon"


As to m36 jackson ive allready made a thread regarding its inclusion , but the developers somehow don't seem to understand(or maybe they are too young for it ;D)

And yes the bessoto is a good idea , why should we leave the italians behind


The there is one more thing which i would like to point out

All of you guys must have seen discovery channel , I dont knw whether the "US Army" funds it or something but the channel is highly biased towards US machines

Best armor - Hummer - Details( Top Secrect)

And i just cant see where the hell is the armor???????? :o


The sound of 17 pounder ap shells tearing down panzers

Is music to my ears!!
#40698

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

AbhMkh wrote:
Lets code an end game "nuke option" wherein ,when anyone of the players are left with just their base we can do a "Finish Him"!!!!

and then nuke his base :D :D

You need some kind of tranport to drop e nuke, or you can just blow it up in youre own base. Only US had the tech to drop a nuke. It could be a swap for paradrop supplies.  :D
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"btw the longest distance tank to tank kill record is held by the british challenger 2 with its rifled 120 mm main cannon"

No, it was Chally 1 in 1991. Same gun. Chally 2 is produced since 1993.
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As to m36 jackson ive allready made a thread regarding its inclusion , but the developers somehow don't seem to understand(or maybe they are too young for it ;D)

M-10 allready has a replacement and Pershing is the most fun (fastest) ubertank so it dosnt need replacing.
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And yes the bessoto is a good idea , why should we leave the italians behind

Becouse their tech was "behind" and probably no bessoto were used on the eastern front. It would be an another Stug. Nothing special.
My Ostheer concept.

Last edited July 17, 2010 at 7:09 AM by Paciat

#40699

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

Keep this on topic guys....nuke?Challenger2? wtf?

QuoteM-10 allready has a replacement and Pershing is the most fun (fastest) ubertank so it dosnt need replacing.

That...
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#40700

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

Paciat wrote:
AbhMkh wrote:
Lets code an end game "nuke option" wherein ,when anyone of the players are left with just their base we can do a "Finish Him"!!!!

and then nuke his base :D :D

You need some kind of tranport to drop e nuke, or you can just blow it up in youre own base. Only US had the tech to drop a nuke. It could be a swap for paradrop supplies.  :D
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"btw the longest distance tank to tank kill record is held by the british challenger 2 with its rifled 120 mm main cannon"

No, it was Chally 1 in 1991. Same gun. Chally 2 is produced since 1993.
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As to m36 jackson ive allready made a thread regarding its inclusion , but the developers somehow don't seem to understand(or maybe they are too young for it ;D)

M-10 allready has a replacement and Pershing is the most fun (fastest) ubertank so it dosnt need replacing.
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And yes the bessoto is a good idea , why should we leave the italians behind

Becouse their tech was "behind" and probably no bessoto were used on the eastern front. It would be an another Stug. Nothing special.


Off-topic sorry, but; The only Italian tanks in the EF were Fiat L6/30 light tanks & Semovente L.40 tank destroyers.. ;P

Ontopic; IS-3... If it was replacing anything, either the KV2 [Whitch is being rweplaced by SU-122, so no point] or the ISU-152..
#40701

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

Hey paciat i wasnt serious man , dont you have a sense of humour ;D ;D ;D ;D


Do you really believe in that nuke thing??

And yes thanks for correcting me it was indeed the challenger 1 which has the logest distance tank to tank kills


About the m36 im not insisting anybody to include it but these are just suggestions 8)
The sound of 17 pounder ap shells tearing down panzers

Is music to my ears!!
#40715

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

AbhMkh wrote:
Hey paciat i wasnt serious man , dont you have a sense of humour ;D ;D ;D ;D


Do you really believe in that nuke thing??

And yes thanks for correcting me it was indeed the challenger 1 which has the logest distance tank to tank kills


About the m36 im not insisting anybody to include it but these are just suggestions 8)

He has sense of humour :P... that's why he answered that, no body in this community will think seriously of that.
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#40718

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

Newbie. wrote:Off-topic sorry, but; The only Italian tanks in the EF were Fiat L6/30 light tanks & Semovente L.40 tank destroyers.. ;P


Yes, you're right, i've don't considerated this.

L6/30 I think it was the worse armour of the Italian Army.

L.40 was the evolution of L6, little better than it (47 mm main gun) but it was produced in few units.

105-25 fought in Africa  :)

There was also 75-18, which was an excellent self-propelled wagons (stood up to English tank) but he was employed in Africa.
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#40719

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

Actually im surprised tht he actually answered :D

Lets drop a nuke on our respective bases

cheers!!!
The sound of 17 pounder ap shells tearing down panzers

Is music to my ears!!
#40729

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

That was mean of you to kill ramdom people for no reason whatsoever.
The Russians think there sooo tough, wait till the Ostheer comes...

Coh Name: Seeme
#40739

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

Newbie. wrote:
Something to replace CCT - Already coming...
There is a replacement for CCT, the Staghound. You can only have 1 replacement for each unit.
Light AT unit or w/e - Already coming..
The LAT is for WH, not PE.
Elefant - Nashorn...
Nashorn is already in WH Faction
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[CoH:EF-Dev]Walki: BULLSHIT
[CoH:EF-Dev]Walki: I'll eat a tree if this won't work now
[CoH:EF-Dev]Rizz: ok
[CoH:EF-Dev]Rizz: I'll hold you to it
<10 minutes later>
[CoH:EF-Dev]Walki: I think I really gotta eat a tree...
[CoH:EF-Dev]Walki: got a decent one?

Last edited July 17, 2010 at 9:06 PM by Rizz

#40753

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

lool  ;D , im eagerly looking forward to the reward units and "how they will disturb the balance of the game"

Cheers Again!!!
The sound of 17 pounder ap shells tearing down panzers

Is music to my ears!!
#40765

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

Rizz wrote:
Newbie. wrote:

Elefant - Nashorn...
Nashorn is already in WH Faction



I think the problem is Relic decided to call the Nashorn the "Geschutzwagen" just to confuse everyone.  ???
"if there's one thing we've learnt in the last thousand miles of retreat, it's that Russian agriculture is in dire need of mechanisation"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEle_DLDg9Y&
#40768

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

Nashorn and Geschutzwagen are two different tank destroyers so how could be Nashorn already in WH faction?
#40769

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

GamblerSK wrote:
Nashorn and Geschutzwagen are two different tank destroyers so how could be Nashorn already in WH faction?


Yeah the problem is that "Geschutzwagen" is actually a really general term that can be applied to a number of different tanks, hence the confusion. 

I've so far found 3 different ideas suggesting its meant to be a Marder I, Nashorn or possibly a Hochkiss that's been retrofitted to carry an anti-tank gun.  ??? ??? ???
"if there's one thing we've learnt in the last thousand miles of retreat, it's that Russian agriculture is in dire need of mechanisation"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEle_DLDg9Y&
#40775

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

QuoteI've so far found 3 different ideas suggesting its meant to be a Marder I, Nashorn or possibly a Hochkiss that's been retrofitted to carry an anti-tank gun.  ??? ??? ???

Most likely the third one is the right answer.
"There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt..."
#40776

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

Unit Desc:

'Heavy Tank Destroyer built on the HotchKiss Chassis' so correct.
#40781

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

QuoteSeveral other French and Polish tanks were also used as a conversion base for the Marder I, including the Hotchkiss H39 [...]
the geschützwagen is the hotchkiss-based version of the marder I (so first and third one would be right  ;D)

the nashorn (hornisse) is a completely different unit:

marder: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marder_I picture under "development"
nashorn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nashorn
BurroDiablo wrote:
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#40785

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

i think they called it just because its whole name is to long :) its 7.5cm PaK 40(Sf) auf Geschützwagen 39H(f) so they called it Geschutzwagen
#40786

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

:D Ahh, cheers everyone for sorting that out.

Ok, so what was Rizz meaning about the Nashorn already being included for the wh, that's what confused me to start with?
"if there's one thing we've learnt in the last thousand miles of retreat, it's that Russian agriculture is in dire need of mechanisation"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEle_DLDg9Y&
#40788

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

Maybe its coming as the second Wehr reward unit?

Not seen a live feed for a while so have probably missed any newer announcements since the Jagdtiger etc.

Aye, Nashorn is basically a Hummel made for anti-tank purposes rather than mobile arty.

Cheers
In Soviet Union, FAQ reads you!
#40789

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

luz777 wrote:
Maybe its coming as the second Wehr reward unit?

Not seen a live feed for a while so have probably missed any newer announcements since the Jagdtiger etc.

Aye, Nashorn is basically a Hummel made for anti-tank purposes rather than mobile arty.

Cheers


You see i would assume this as well, except the dev's have already stated that each faction is getting two reward units (for now) and the wh get the pak36 and the Jagdtiger.  Therefore, i still can't work out what Rizz meant about the Nashorn being already included.  Or am i just being supremely dense here    ???
"if there's one thing we've learnt in the last thousand miles of retreat, it's that Russian agriculture is in dire need of mechanisation"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEle_DLDg9Y&
#40801

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

One-eye wrote:
luz777 wrote:
Maybe its coming as the second Wehr reward unit?

Not seen a live feed for a while so have probably missed any newer announcements since the Jagdtiger etc.

Aye, Nashorn is basically a Hummel made for anti-tank purposes rather than mobile arty.

Cheers


You see i would assume this as well, except the dev's have already stated that each faction is getting two reward units (for now) and the wh get the pak36 and the Jagdtiger.  Therefore, i still can't work out what Rizz meant about the Nashorn being already included.  Or am i just being supremely dense here    ???


maybe he's just referring to the G-wagon, because it's basically the same (turretless mobile AT-gun), and in game the G-wagon is already more powerfull then it actually should be.. "as powerfull as a nashorn would be in game"
that's what i think..
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#40807

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

Ahh a Pak 36, see I thought I would have missed something.

Yeah SK8 I'd imagine your right then.

Cheers

In Soviet Union, FAQ reads you!
#41317

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

this is really cool, applause to all that help make some of this happen  ;D
My panzers eat t-34s for breakfast =)

LONG LIVE HONORABLE GERMANY!!!
#41320

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

* No one applause*
The Russians think there sooo tough, wait till the Ostheer comes...

Coh Name: Seeme
#41330

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

Lool , why dont you guys try to read some vehicle history

nashorn , gwagen , elefant are completely different vehicles :P


I'm a bit concerned by the inclusions of either nashorn or elefant cuz the elefant had armor like tht of a tiger and range as tht of a 17 pounder


The germans couldnt use it cuz of the mechanical breakdowns and its high vulnerability to infantry(as it had no mg)


Now if the germans can ake n number of elefants on the field

i just cant imagine the havoc tht they will wreak on the allied tanks! :'(

There should be some kin of pop cap on elefants or nashorns so tht they can be produced in number


"The Germans were brilliant engineers but  resilience and robustness is wht wins the war" 
The sound of 17 pounder ap shells tearing down panzers

Is music to my ears!!
#41331

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

AbhMkh wrote:
The germans couldnt use it cuz of the mechanical breakdowns and its high vulnerability to infantry(as it had no mg)


hmm...you were referring to the Ferdinand (earlier version). the Elefant didn't break down as frequently (though a lot were destroyed by their own crews while retreating), and it had an MG34 for local defense.  ;)
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#41366

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

Germans should of learned to retreat better...
The Russians think there sooo tough, wait till the Ostheer comes...

Coh Name: Seeme
#41371

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

AbhMkh wrote:
Lool , why dont you guys try to read some vehicle history

nashorn , gwagen , elefant are completely different vehicles :P

I'm a bit concerned by the inclusions of either nashorn or elefant cuz the elefant had armor like tht of a tiger and range as tht of a 17 pounder


Ok two points here, firstly we know they're different vehicles but apparently you don't seem to understand that "Geschutzwagen" is a VERY general term that's applicable to a whole range of different things.  Now my German is pretty awful and i'm sure Lord Rommel will correct me here, but i believe the rough translation for Geschutzwagen  is "assult gun". 

As for including the elephant i wouldn't worry about it.  Its almost certainly going to be a doctrinal call in unit and hard capped.  Also, the Dev's have already mentioned they can make a tank as powerful or as weak as they like as long as it fits in with balance.  So an elephant could be made to fit in much like the King tiger or ISU-152 was without being too OP, its just a case of altering the costs and stats to work. 
"if there's one thing we've learnt in the last thousand miles of retreat, it's that Russian agriculture is in dire need of mechanisation"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEle_DLDg9Y&
#41373

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

IMO, Elefant's main enemy should be Conscript armed Molotov Cocktails. (Or was it vice versa? v-v)
#41376

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

As far as the german translation is concerned "assault gun" is the full word of the short word stug , and seriously i don't knw whether geshutzwagen is the german for assault gun but there are only two tanks referred to as geshutzwagen these were the panzer 75 mm mounted on a hotchkiss chassis.

German is a language with lot of random words , its rather difficult to tell nevertheless nashorn , elefant , geshutzwagen were all built on diff chassis

nashorn - panzer

elefant- tiger

geshutzwagen - hotchkiss


All german open topped tank destroyers were vulnerable to molotov cocktails , u must have seen an example in the movie "Saving Private Ryan" , the elefants were improved with an mg34 however they were to heavy to tow while retreating hence they were destroyed by their crews


elefants were so heavily armored tht the tank used to take little damge from the soviet 150 mm mortar rounds while the crew died inside , they were later salvaged and repaired and again sent of to war , tht why the soviet were ordered to fire on german tanks till they were completely destroyed!
The sound of 17 pounder ap shells tearing down panzers

Is music to my ears!!
#41387

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

As far as my limited German tells me, Sturmgeschutz (StuG IV, STG44) means assault gun whereas Geschutzwagen means pretty much "shooting vehicle". Therefore, essentially most of the German WW2 vehicles fit into this category. It may well be that the word refers to all ranges of the marders (1,2,3 - Panzer 38(t) chassis), nashorn and elefant whilst also being tied to the specific marder-on-hotchkiss chassis ingame.
If you get into an argument with me, you're wrong.
#41390

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

Ok, this is starting to go Horribly offtopic. We're going to have to start going On Topic, or i'll have a Admin request to close the thread.
#41399

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

Indeed. long off topic posts usually mean the thread has run its course and is ready to lock....so if I do see more off topic posts this will be locked gents(and any subsequent threads with the same goal  ;)  )

There is different part of the forum for all the 'historic off topic discussions'

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#41402

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

Zerstörer wrote:
Indeed. long off topic posts usually mean the thread has run its course and is ready to lock....so if I do see more off topic posts this will be locked gents(and any subsequent threads with the same goal  ;)  )

There is different part of the forum for all the 'historic off topic discussions'

Cheers


Out of curiosity have any of the suggestions people have made in this thread been useful or are likely to be included?
"if there's one thing we've learnt in the last thousand miles of retreat, it's that Russian agriculture is in dire need of mechanisation"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEle_DLDg9Y&
#41404

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

What can we do abt it when we unintentionally steer off-topic ;) ;)
The sound of 17 pounder ap shells tearing down panzers

Is music to my ears!!
#41610

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

thi may have been answered but when new reward units become available how do we go about getting them?
My panzers eat t-34s for breakfast =)

LONG LIVE HONORABLE GERMANY!!!
#41641

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

They'll be part of a patch...like the 1.2
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#41659

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

javy52 wrote:
thi may have been answered but when new reward units become available how do we go about getting them?


you go to the reward section, were you view medals, they'll be a tab saying 'vechicles'. You can access them there ;)
#41888

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

I don't want to defend the suggestions of prototype units, but i would like to point out the use of the Bergtiger in Coh could be used as a precedent for these. reason being only very few of these were produced and it was never meant for frontline combat. it was a recovery vehicle. (if the links from wiki page is correct).  And the crane on it was not strong enough to lift tanks.
berg panzer however is a different story.

If i were to add a tank i would say the M3 lee for the US would be an interesting addition. A large number of these were built. As a light tank replacement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M3_Lee

For the British i think the Valentine tank would be a nice addition. as there were many variants of this. and saw much use through the north africa campaign.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valentine_tank

For the germans i think a panzer 3 tank (with option to be upgraded to panzer 4) would be okay.
OR
Perhaps the  sturminfanteriegeschutz would be an interesting tank to add for the germans. Although very few of these were made some did see action in Stalingrad.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturm-Infanteriegesch%C3%BCtz_33B
#41889

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

And what they should replace?

Cromwell has yet a Bonus unit(unfortunately the Roos >:() also Command Cromwell and Firefly.
The only one that remain is Stuart, but Valentine is stronger that it (55mm Valentine and better armour against 37mm Stuart).

For M3 Lee I don't see any units which can be replaced by it.

Sturm Infanteriegeschutze can replace StuH42  ;)
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