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#40120

Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

Not sure if this is in right place, Lock + move if wanted, MOD's.


US
M4 Sherman Jumbo - Already coming...
M4 105mm Howitzer - Already coming...
M2 Light Tank - Light Tank to Replace the M8 Greyhound, has more armour at the expense of Less speed...
M22 Locust - Light tank to replace the air-dropable 57mm AT Gun...

UK
Comet I - Already coming...
Vickers 6-Tonne Light Tank - Armed with a single .303 inch Vickers MG... Replace M3.
Matilda 2 - Medium Tank to Replace the Churchill Mk. 4.
Sexton - To Replace M7 Priest.

SU
IS-3 - Already coming
SU-122 - Already coming...
SU-76 - Light replacement for T70... Light Tank Destroyer with less armour than the '70...
ZSU-37 - T-34 with a AA Gun ontop... Replaces the T90...
Valentine Mk. 3 - Armed with a 2PDR-6PDR-75MM gun, replace the Lend-Lease Sherman..


WH
- Jagdtiger - Already coming...
- PaK36 - Already Coming...
- Panzerjäger I - Light tank destroyer armed with 47mm Gun.. Replace StuH42
Sturmtiger - Replace Tiger 1.. Armed with 380mm Rocket-laucher.

PE
Jagdpanzer IV - Already coming...
Pz. 35(t) - Replace armoured car... Armed with 37mm Gun +1 MG42 Machine gun... More armour, Better gun, less speed..
Bergetiger - Bergepanzer38(t) - Faster, less armour...

OH
PanzerIII - Captured T34/76
PanzerII/PanzerI - Panzer 38 (t)

Hope everyone agrees to some of them, I'd also say post a few of your own Ideas... Still, Hope the devs notice..

Last edited July 17, 2010 at 9:09 PM by Newbie.

#40123

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE...

some really good ideas you threw in here.

The M22 locust (airbone tank) is on of the best ideas for a reward unit i heard so far. Good work man. Hopefully the devs will see it ;)

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#40124

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Newbie. wrote:
Archer - Tank to replace the Cromwell Command tank... Armed with a 17 Pounder Anti-Tank gun on the back of the tank... Weaker front armour than back...

There's already a replacement for CCT, you can only have 1 reward unit per org unit.
Valar Morghulis
Quote
[CoH:EF-Dev]Walki: BULLSHIT
[CoH:EF-Dev]Walki: I'll eat a tree if this won't work now
[CoH:EF-Dev]Rizz: ok
[CoH:EF-Dev]Rizz: I'll hold you to it
<10 minutes later>
[CoH:EF-Dev]Walki: I think I really gotta eat a tree...
[CoH:EF-Dev]Walki: got a decent one?
#40129

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE...

Locust is a nice idea, cool looking little tank!
But the only thing i don't like is the SiG33, it's just toooo UGLY
normally i don't care about looks of tanks but their firepower, but look at this xD:
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it looks like it would be blown on it's back when the gun fires!

and another thing i found looking for the m2 is this:
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look at the side of the turret, what the hell..? xD
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#40135

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE...

Great suggestions, I like everyone, except the ugly SiG33.

I rather want Brummbär or Sturminfanterigeschütz 33B.
Though the last one would fit better for Ostheer, cause they fought exclusivly in Stalingrad and were also destroyed there.
In memoriam MrScruff
The Wehrmacht in the East

Obstheer FTW!
#40136

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE...

I think Archer would be a good reward unit for Firefly...it could be something like mobile 17pdr nest. Slightly better firepower than Firefly, because its a turretless tank destroyer. Maybe even bigger fire range similar to the Marder III and lower cost than Firefly. And i agree that Brummbar would be more suitable than SiG33...which is really an obsolete design in 1945, in which the game takes place. Other suggestions are fine with me.
"There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt..."
#40138

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE...

I think the Comet 1 is replacing the Firefly..

SiG33.. Well.. the 33B is a bit rare.. Brummbar will probaably go into Ostheer...

Maybe the Sturmtiger? [As thats NOT Going to be in the OH do to realism..]
#40141

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE...

People dont want that tank becuase its ugly?

To tell you the truth, I think the Stug is a very ugly in real life, and super ugly in the gane. That still dosent mean I dont use it.
The Russians think there sooo tough, wait till the Ostheer comes...

Coh Name: Seeme
#40146

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

I'd like to see the Marder III Ausf H as a replacement for the Ausf M that PE have at the moment.

Same functionality but a cooler looking tank and not a stupidly oversized model. Would be nice I think.

Cheers
In Soviet Union, FAQ reads you!
#40156

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

The Archer should replace the firefly not the CCT , only a fool would use both fireflies and archers in the game!!!!
The sound of 17 pounder ap shells tearing down panzers

Is music to my ears!!
#40163

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

AbhMkh wrote:
The Archer should replace the firefly not the CCT , only a fool would use both fireflies and archers in the game!!!!


Newbie. wrote:
The comet I is replacing the firefly...
#40197

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

Allright but my argument still remains the same

Archer should replace firefly whereas comet should replace the cromwell

CCT is fine in itself with option of the staghound
The sound of 17 pounder ap shells tearing down panzers

Is music to my ears!!
#40209

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

Sturmtiger could be a suitable replacement for both the Tiger I and the hummel.
If you get into an argument with me, you're wrong.
#40213

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

Firstly good work but dont you think that the panzerjager 1 would be a bit weak to replace stug42
#40227

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

Three things guys....

1) We're not going to just stick in 100 reward units, that's not how it works...its not a candy store...

2) To chose a unit it must be able to accomodate the following...must look cool,be able to be modeled and animated correctly,be able to replace a unit in a faction/tech tree without overlaping abilities of other units in the rest of the faction,be as good and balanced as the unit it replaces therefore not making the choice between the two automatic, must not really copy the unit of another faction and finally be able to serve a true purpose in the faction.

3) Historical vehicle abilities and game abilities are totally different things.
A PzII could be made as damaging and resilient as a KT if that meant it would be balanced and serve a purpose.
Therefore arguing how a 2 Pz3s would win vs an IS-2 etc, is a pointless debate
R.I.P MrScruff - A genuine Good Guy and great artist
R.I.P Loran Korn - A very brave and talented guy
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Last edited July 10, 2010 at 11:13 AM by Zerstörer

#40264

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

Zerstörer wrote:
Three things guys....

1) We're not going to just stick in 100 reward units, that's not how it works...its not a candy store...

2) To chose a unit it must be able to accomodate the following...must look cool,be able to be modeled and animated correctly,be able to replace a unit in a faction/tech tree without overlaping abilities of other units in the rest of the faction,be as good and balanced as the unit it replaces therefore not making the choice between the two automatic, must not really copy the unit of another faction and finally be able to serve a true purpose in the faction.

3) Historical vehicle abilities and game abilities are totally different things.
A PzII could be made as damaging and resilient as a KT if that meant it would be balanced and serve a purpose.
Therefore arguing how a 2 Pz3s would win vs an IS-2 etc, is a pointless debate




Good to hear that. quite outstanding how you guys still keep cool with all your success and keep up the good work.
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#40276

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

Ok I'm not sure if this has been mentioned in the Soviet section (sorry if it has) already, but what about something like a T-35 as a Soviet reward unit? 

My thinking is its design is fairly unique and for coh, totally original (i think its looks very cool).  What would make this tank so interesting is due to the relatively slow speed it could act as more of a defensive tank capable of engaging multiple opponents at once and holding ground like a mobile fortress.  This would provide a completely different tactical challenge for both players as well as help to set apart the Soviet tanks from the other factions. 

That said i am aware it might be difficult for the developers to create a model due to the unusual multi-turreted design. 

I am also aware that this tank wasn't that common, hence why i think it should be a doctrinal reward unit. 

Despite this i feel the totally unique design makes it worthy as a possible suggestion. 

Cheers  :)
"if there's one thing we've learnt in the last thousand miles of retreat, it's that Russian agriculture is in dire need of mechanisation"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEle_DLDg9Y&
#40281

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

The reason why you won't see it is because getting to animate the turrets to work/target independently is not possible atm. Plus, the thing doesn't fit in at all with the rest of COH....looks more like WW1 land battleship
R.I.P MrScruff - A genuine Good Guy and great artist
R.I.P Loran Korn - A very brave and talented guy
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#40282

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

Zerstörer wrote:
The reason why you won't see it is because getting to animate the turrets to work/target independently is not possible atm. Plus, the thing doesn't fit in at all with the rest of COH....looks more like WW1 land battleship


:( Ahh fair enough, i feared the multi-turrets would be utterly impossible to animate. 

I don't know, i think the whole land battleship look gives it a unique charm, very similar to that of the early war French tanks (especially the never produced prototypes). 

Oh well, thanks anyway. 
"if there's one thing we've learnt in the last thousand miles of retreat, it's that Russian agriculture is in dire need of mechanisation"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEle_DLDg9Y&
#40294

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

If you do animate it, it will look more like a robot on treads then a tank.
The Russians think there sooo tough, wait till the Ostheer comes...

Coh Name: Seeme
#40348

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

Zerstörer wrote:
The reason why you won't see it is because getting to animate the turrets to work/target independently is not possible atm. Plus, the thing doesn't fit in at all with the rest of COH....looks more like WW1 land battleship

I thought that has already been done in the the great war 1918 mod..
http://www.moddb.com/mods/the-great-war-1918/images/landships6#imagebox
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#40361

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

Not quite, to my knowledge... You can animate different parts of the tank but can't make each weapon fire at a different targets at the same time. In essence, a tank can only fire at a single unit at a time meaning that even if a T35 was surrounded by 8 infantry squads and despite having 5 turrets, it would only engage 1 squad with the turrets that can see them. The other turrets wouldn't fire at the other squads in the mean time.
R.I.P MrScruff - A genuine Good Guy and great artist
R.I.P Loran Korn - A very brave and talented guy
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#40362

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

Zerstörer wrote:
Not quite, to my knowledge... You can animate different parts of the tank but can't make each weapon fire at a different targets at the same time. In essence, a tank can only fire at a single unit at a time meaning that even if a T35 was surrounded by 8 infantry squads and despite having 5 turrets, it would only engage 1 squad with the turrets that can see them. The other turrets wouldn't fire at the other squads in the mean time.

How about a Churchill Croc. It can fire a 2 targets.
T-28 could be a normal tank with much more powerfull hull MGs.
My Ostheer concept.
#40370

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

QuoteHow about a Churchill Croc. It can fire a 2 targets.


I believe the flamethrower on Churchill Crocodile acts similar to a hull MG, that means if your in front of it, it will fire (literally ;D)...therefore it cant act as a rotary turret/cannon and cant acquire targets, it will just fire on those that are in front of it.
"There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt..."

Last edited July 11, 2010 at 11:25 PM by Strayker

#40382

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

Zerstörer wrote:
Not quite, to my knowledge... You can animate different parts of the tank but can't make each weapon fire at a different targets at the same time. In essence, a tank can only fire at a single unit at a time meaning that even if a T35 was surrounded by 8 infantry squads and despite having 5 turrets, it would only engage 1 squad with the turrets that can see them. The other turrets wouldn't fire at the other squads in the mean time.


I'm not sure about this, but are the different members of an infantry squad able to attack different squads at the same time (when not ordered to fire at one specifically)? If so, could this coding not be rewired in same way to suit a tank?

Cheers
#40389

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

Tico_1990 wrote:
I'm not sure about this, but are the different members of an infantry squad able to attack different squads at the same time (when not ordered to fire at one specifically)? If so, could this coding not be rewired in same way to suit a tank?

Cheers

+1
#40413

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

Newbie. wrote:

SU
SU-122 - Already coming...
SU-76 - Light replacement for T70... Light Tank Destroyer with less armour than the '70...
ZSU-37 - T-34 with a AA Gun ontop... Replaces the T90...
Valentine Mk. 3 - Armed with a 2PDR-6PDR-75MM gun, replace the Lend-Lease Sherman..
IS-3 - Replacing the ISU



There was a thread about this one some month ago. The devs really seemed to like the idea or already had some plans about it.

Looks promising.. lets have a real oponent for the Tiger/KT!


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#40415

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

Venoxxis wrote:
Newbie. wrote:

SU
SU-122 - Already coming...
SU-76 - Light replacement for T70... Light Tank Destroyer with less armour than the '70...
ZSU-37 - T-34 with a AA Gun ontop... Replaces the T90...
Valentine Mk. 3 - Armed with a 2PDR-6PDR-75MM gun, replace the Lend-Lease Sherman..
IS-3 - Replacing the ISU



There was a thread about this one some month ago. The devs really seemed to like the idea or already had some plans about it.

Looks promising.. lets have a real oponent for the Tiger/KT!


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+1

Yea there was a discussion about this in the soviet army suggestion forum, which look like dead!

Do the dev have already a model for the IS-3?  :D

It would be a nice counter to KT, but Tiger are already countered by IS-2  ;)

But, can dev make a new armor type for COH? I mean, IS-3 was so tough, that making him a Jagdpanther armor would be strange (and also OP?  ;D). With the same gun than IS-2, and maybe slightly more speed, it would be THE tank of COH !!!
"Du sublime au ridicule, il n'y a qu'un pas"
-Napoléon Bonaparte
#40422

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

Strayker wrote:
QuoteHow about a Churchill Croc. It can fire a 2 targets.

I believe the flamethrower on Churchill Crocodile acts similar to a hull MG, that means if your in front of it, it will fire (literally ;D)...therefore it cant act as a rotary turret/cannon and cant acquire targets, it will just fire on those that are in front of it.

I dont want them rotary, I want them static but as powerfull as PE halftrack MG or even T-90 MGs.
That would mean much less work to devs.
My Ostheer concept.
#40426

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

Paciat wrote:
Strayker wrote:
QuoteHow about a Churchill Croc. It can fire a 2 targets.

I believe the flamethrower on Churchill Crocodile acts similar to a hull MG, that means if your in front of it, it will fire (literally ;D)...therefore it cant act as a rotary turret/cannon and cant acquire targets, it will just fire on those that are in front of it.

I dont want them rotary, I want them static but as powerfull as PE halftrack MG or even T-90 MGs.
That would mean much less work to devs.

In that case it maybe could be done...but i think it will still be a lot of work for devs to do. Nevertheless it would be interesting to see some different tank design in this game...
"There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt..."
#40499

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

Red_Stinger wrote:
Venoxxis wrote:
Newbie. wrote:

SU
SU-122 - Already coming...
SU-76 - Light replacement for T70... Light Tank Destroyer with less armour than the '70...
ZSU-37 - T-34 with a AA Gun ontop... Replaces the T90...
Valentine Mk. 3 - Armed with a 2PDR-6PDR-75MM gun, replace the Lend-Lease Sherman..
IS-3 - Replacing the ISU



There was a thread about this one some month ago. The devs really seemed to like the idea or already had some plans about it.

Looks promising.. lets have a real oponent for the Tiger/KT!


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+1

Yea there was a discussion about this in the soviet army suggestion forum, which look like dead!

Do the dev have already a model for the IS-3?  :D

It would be a nice counter to KT, but Tiger are already countered by IS-2  ;)

But, can dev make a new armor type for COH? I mean, IS-3 was so tough, that making him a Jagdpanther armor would be strange (and also OP?  ;D). With the same gun than IS-2, and maybe slightly more speed, it would be THE tank of COH !!!


I dont know if that works, but it would be very interesting.
But i dont think it does work, because if so, they would have done it already ;)

If they have to use an old armour type, so i guess it gonna be either the Pershing again (with more health) or the Jagd. But not sure of this type works for tanks with turrets as well.


And yea, i agree to you. It should be a bit faster (which fits also historically perfectly), and toughter than the IS-2. (fits as well :) )

Actually, this one should outclass the Tiger. As the best medium tank in the whole game - it would be threatening for even the haviest tanks.

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#40508

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

Venoxxis wrote:

I dont know if that works, but it would be very interesting.
But i dont think it does work, because if so, they would have done it already ;)




Yea, I think also they would have done it already. In the other hand, if its possible, it could be a lot of hard work!  :P

Anyway, IS-3 is a very good idea for soviets despite the historical inaccurary. I'm glad you have the same opinion!  :)
"Du sublime au ridicule, il n'y a qu'un pas"
-Napoléon Bonaparte
#40525

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

Venoxxis wrote:
Red_Stinger wrote:
Venoxxis wrote:
Newbie. wrote:

SU
SU-122 - Already coming...
SU-76 - Light replacement for T70... Light Tank Destroyer with less armour than the '70...
ZSU-37 - T-34 with a AA Gun ontop... Replaces the T90...
Valentine Mk. 3 - Armed with a 2PDR-6PDR-75MM gun, replace the Lend-Lease Sherman..
IS-3 - Replacing the ISU



There was a thread about this one some month ago. The devs really seemed to like the idea or already had some plans about it.

Looks promising.. lets have a real oponent for the Tiger/KT!


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+1

Yea there was a discussion about this in the soviet army suggestion forum, which look like dead!

Do the dev have already a model for the IS-3?  :D

It would be a nice counter to KT, but Tiger are already countered by IS-2  ;)

But, can dev make a new armor type for COH? I mean, IS-3 was so tough, that making him a Jagdpanther armor would be strange (and also OP?  ;D). With the same gun than IS-2, and maybe slightly more speed, it would be THE tank of COH !!!


I dont know if that works, but it would be very interesting.
But i dont think it does work, because if so, they would have done it already ;)

If they have to use an old armour type, so i guess it gonna be either the Pershing again (with more health) or the Jagd. But not sure of this type works for tanks with turrets as well.


And yea, i agree to you. It should be a bit faster (which fits also historically perfectly), and toughter than the IS-2. (fits as well :) )

Actually, this one should outclass the Tiger. As the best medium tank in the whole game - it would be threatening for even the haviest tanks.


Hmm i'm not so sure about the IS-3, it looks pretty cool but it really is a postwar tank. I mean i can't find any real record of its use against the Germans. 

Also in game terms it would just be an IS-2 on steroids and therefore the question has to be asked, is that really that original?

I mean this is why i was talking about the T-35 earlier and liked what Paciat was saying about things like the T-28.  Both designs are totally different and could serve a different strategic function, the IS-3 on the other hand just seems to be another Russian tank destroyer. 
"if there's one thing we've learnt in the last thousand miles of retreat, it's that Russian agriculture is in dire need of mechanisation"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEle_DLDg9Y&
#40576

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

You Know what , lets put the "T-90s , M1 Abraham,Leopard 2 and Challenger 2 " tanks in the game it will be "lots of fun" :D :D
The sound of 17 pounder ap shells tearing down panzers

Is music to my ears!!
#40587

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

One-eye wrote:
Venoxxis wrote:
Red_Stinger wrote:
Venoxxis wrote:
Newbie. wrote:

SU
SU-122 - Already coming...
SU-76 - Light replacement for T70... Light Tank Destroyer with less armour than the '70...
ZSU-37 - T-34 with a AA Gun ontop... Replaces the T90...
Valentine Mk. 3 - Armed with a 2PDR-6PDR-75MM gun, replace the Lend-Lease Sherman..
IS-3 - Replacing the ISU



There was a thread about this one some month ago. The devs really seemed to like the idea or already had some plans about it.

Looks promising.. lets have a real oponent for the Tiger/KT!


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+1

Yea there was a discussion about this in the soviet army suggestion forum, which look like dead!

Do the dev have already a model for the IS-3?  :D

It would be a nice counter to KT, but Tiger are already countered by IS-2  ;)

But, can dev make a new armor type for COH? I mean, IS-3 was so tough, that making him a Jagdpanther armor would be strange (and also OP?  ;D). With the same gun than IS-2, and maybe slightly more speed, it would be THE tank of COH !!!


I dont know if that works, but it would be very interesting.
But i dont think it does work, because if so, they would have done it already ;)

If they have to use an old armour type, so i guess it gonna be either the Pershing again (with more health) or the Jagd. But not sure of this type works for tanks with turrets as well.


And yea, i agree to you. It should be a bit faster (which fits also historically perfectly), and toughter than the IS-2. (fits as well :) )

Actually, this one should outclass the Tiger. As the best medium tank in the whole game - it would be threatening for even the haviest tanks.


Hmm i'm not so sure about the IS-3, it looks pretty cool but it really is a postwar tank. I mean i can't find any real record of its use against the Germans. 

Also in game terms it would just be an IS-2 on steroids and therefore the question has to be asked, is that really that original?

I mean this is why i was talking about the T-35 earlier and liked what Paciat was saying about things like the T-28.  Both designs are totally different and could serve a different strategic function, the IS-3 on the other hand just seems to be another Russian tank destroyer.


The T-28 is a nice idea, we had a discussion like that once here. But after that someone posted the IS-3. Impressed by its data and look most forum users did agree to idea. Even a team-member considered it.

The IS-3 was a post war tank in some point of view i agree. But it was planned during the 2nd ww and it was build during the 2nd ww (Yes, up to 300 were build!!) which make it a WW2 tank - even with its futuristic look.


And of corse, you could compare it to a IS-2 on steriods.
But does that make it being a worse tank?

Well i do like the Tiger I, even if its a PZ-4 on freakin steroids as well.
I got your point here, but the game proofs that right that doesnt matter after all.



The soviets were the only allied nation which had something to face the german tanks even in 1943+. This tank would have a lot of symbolic valve therefore, because the allied would have a real beast tank like that, even if it was a medium tank somehow.

This tank would rock hell for gods sake, its pure power  8)



Regards,

-V-



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#40590

Re: Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

Venoxxis wrote:
One-eye wrote:
Venoxxis wrote:
Red_Stinger wrote:
Venoxxis wrote:
Newbie. wrote:

SU
SU-122 - Already coming...
SU-76 - Light replacement for T70... Light Tank Destroyer with less armour than the '70...
ZSU-37 - T-34 with a AA Gun ontop... Replaces the T90...
Valentine Mk. 3 - Armed with a 2PDR-6PDR-75MM gun, replace the Lend-Lease Sherman..
IS-3 - Replacing the ISU



There was a thread about this one some month ago. The devs really seemed to like the idea or already had some plans about it.

Looks promising.. lets have a real oponent for the Tiger/KT!


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+1

Yea there was a discussion about this in the soviet army suggestion forum, which look like dead!

Do the dev have already a model for the IS-3?  :D

It would be a nice counter to KT, but Tiger are already countered by IS-2  ;)

But, can dev make a new armor type for COH? I mean, IS-3 was so tough, that making him a Jagdpanther armor would be strange (and also OP?  ;D). With the same gun than IS-2, and maybe slightly more speed, it would be THE tank of COH !!!


I dont know if that works, but it would be very interesting.
But i dont think it does work, because if so, they would have done it already ;)

If they have to use an old armour type, so i guess it gonna be either the Pershing again (with more health) or the Jagd. But not sure of this type works for tanks with turrets as well.


And yea, i agree to you. It should be a bit faster (which fits also historically perfectly), and toughter than the IS-2. (fits as well :) )

Actually, this one should outclass the Tiger. As the best medium tank in the whole game - it would be threatening for even the haviest tanks.


Hmm i'm not so sure about the IS-3, it looks pretty cool but it really is a postwar tank. I mean i can't find any real record of its use against the Germans. 

Also in game terms it would just be an IS-2 on steroids and therefore the question has to be asked, is that really that original?

I mean this is why i was talking about the T-35 earlier and liked what Paciat was saying about things like the T-28.  Both designs are totally different and could serve a different strategic function, the IS-3 on the other hand just seems to be another Russian tank destroyer.


The T-28 is a nice idea, we had a discussion like that once here. But after that someone posted the IS-3. Impressed by its data and look most forum users did agree to idea. Even a team-member considered it.

The IS-3 was a post war tank in some point of view i agree. But it was planned during the 2nd ww and it was build during the 2nd ww (Yes, up to 300 were build!!) which make it a WW2 tank - even with its futuristic look.


And of corse, you could compare it to a IS-2 on steriods.
But does that make it being a worse tank?

Well i do like the Tiger I, even if its a PZ-4 on freakin steroids as well.
I got your point here, but the game proofs that right that doesnt matter after all.



The soviets were the only allied nation which had something to face the german tanks even in 1943+. This tank would have a lot of symbolic valve therefore, because the allied would have a real beast tank like that, even if it was a medium tank somehow.

This tank would rock hell for gods sake, its pure power  8)



Regards,

-V-


Yeah i can see theirs a historical argument for including the IS3 for symbolic reasons and its by far not the strangest addition to the game *cough Bergetiger cough*.  However, i still remain a little unconvinced.

I still see two big problems with including it, firstly it would be not just an extremely powerful tank but probably the most powerful tank in the entire game.  For me that just screams balance issues and people moaning of it being OP. 

Now i'm aware that the developers can balance this out but the part of my brain that plays WH or PE is already wondering, "do the Russians really need this"?

The second problem is where would this tank would fit in?

The only tank i can really see this replacing is the ISU-152, which is fairly close match in terms of ability.  However, the ISU-152 is pretty much the best tank destroyer apart from perhaps the Jagdpanther , so why would you want to replace it?  Bigger isn't necessarily always better. 

That said its still a beautiful tank and i certainly wouldn't mind if its a reward unit, it just wouldn't be my personal choice to include it. 

Actually if we were going to ignore historical accuracy i'd included this beauty:

ISU-152 model 1945
http://mk-armour.narod.ru/1996/03/Photo_15.jpg

Cheers
"if there's one thing we've learnt in the last thousand miles of retreat, it's that Russian agriculture is in dire need of mechanisation"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEle_DLDg9Y&
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i want this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMK_tank  ;D

now realy IS-3 is a good idea if it will be balanced well i dont see problem, maybe a high cost or population cost can balance it

IS is a tank so it can turn turret so theres a reason why IS and not ISU
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GamblerSK wrote:
i want this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMK_tank  ;D

now realy IS-3 is a good idea if it will be balanced well i dont see problem, maybe a high cost or population cost can balance it

IS is a tank so it can turn turret so theres a reason why IS and not ISU


;D Haha, yeah that would be awesome/hilarious/terrifying +1

I had considered the point about the turret, i suppose my real fear is the whole arms race mentality setting in.  I mean i really see the ISU-152 and the Jagdtiger as the absolute upper limit of what's acceptable in Coh in general. 

If you go past a certain point (this becomes even more true when the Ostheer are introduced) people will just keep demanding bigger and bigger tanks and the whole thing spirals out of control.  I mean next you'll get people saying "well the Russians get the IS3, maybe the Ostheer should have the Sturer Emil tank destroyer to counter it".

Then the existing factions wet themselves with fear, turn tail and run when they realise how hopelessly outclassed they are by the two EF factions.  :P


"if there's one thing we've learnt in the last thousand miles of retreat, it's that Russian agriculture is in dire need of mechanisation"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEle_DLDg9Y&
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AbhMkh wrote:
You Know what , lets put the "T-90s , M1 Abraham,Leopard 2 and Challenger 2 " tanks in the game it will be "lots of fun" :D :D


MC mod is for you!
The Russians think there sooo tough, wait till the Ostheer comes...

Coh Name: Seeme
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Just a suggestion, I know that the coding and such of the T35 would be really hard (or as some say, impossible), but I'm not sure if that is so. I noticed that the WM HT with flame upgrade is able to fire at different squads at the same time could this coding perhaps be used? (or is this coded in a similar fashion to the hull mg and coax mg of tanks?)
I'm not saying that I want a T35, I do however agree that it would look nice so I'm just bringing up stuff which might (perhaps) work.

Cheers
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One-eye wrote:
GamblerSK wrote:
i want this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMK_tank  ;D

now realy IS-3 is a good idea if it will be balanced well i dont see problem, maybe a high cost or population cost can balance it

IS is a tank so it can turn turret so theres a reason why IS and not ISU


;D Haha, yeah that would be awesome/hilarious/terrifying +1

I had considered the point about the turret, i suppose my real fear is the whole arms race mentality setting in.  I mean i really see the ISU-152 and the Jagdtiger as the absolute upper limit of what's acceptable in Coh in general. 

If you go past a certain point (this becomes even more true when the Ostheer are introduced) people will just keep demanding bigger and bigger tanks and the whole thing spirals out of control.  I mean next you'll get people saying "well the Russians get the IS3, maybe the Ostheer should have the Sturer Emil tank destroyer to counter it".

Then the existing factions wet themselves with fear, turn tail and run when they realise how hopelessly outclassed they are by the two EF factions.  :P


Thats true, ISU and especially the Jagdtiger are the upper limits. The jagdtiger is really so freakin big it will outclass everything even the kingtiger because it is even longer. Will be hard to drive this huge beast from A to B for sure..


But the IS-3 wont be the most powerfull tank in the game, i guess you image it a bit too powerfull at the moment. It was still a 45 ton tank, there is no space for super armour.

http://www.onwar.com/tanks/ussr/data/is3.htm this site tells some infos about its armour. In the front, it didnt had more armour than the IS-2, the only advantage is the Λ-shape. The sides were still compareable weak armoured. The turret than, is said to have up to 100-220mm armour, but the 220mm is just because of its geometry (spheric-concept).
That said, cast-iron was used. And cast has way worse features than welded plates.

To put it in a nutshell, it was a good tank, but it wouldnt have outclassed the Kingtiger for example. Not even mentioning the gun performance.

Placing it somewhere between the kingtiger and the usual tiger would make it being a nice addition.  ;)


Regards,

-V-

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Actually, as a 45 ton tank it still had better armour protection than a KT, but not more than a Jagdtiger. Israeli M48 Patton tanks with 90mm guns had problems defeating their armour in 1967.

In game terms, all it would have been is an IS2, but instead of 'Pershing armour' it would have 'Jagdpanther armour', hardly OP. 

Alas, no one has modeled it yet and there are no plans for it either....BurroDiablo was the only one who might have made it but...he's effectively retired from modding now :(
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Zerstörer wrote:
Actually, as a 45 ton tank it still had better armour protection than a KT, but not more than a Jagdtiger. Israeli M48 Patton tanks with 90mm guns had problems defeating their armour in 1967.

In game terms, all it would have been is an IS2, but instead of 'Pershing armour' it would have 'Jagdpanther armour', hardly OP. 

Alas, no one has modeled it yet and there are no plans for it either....BurroDiablo was the only one who might have made it but...he's effectively retired from modding now :(


Ah ok, well i guess that brings a close to that argument for now then. 

@Venoxxis
By the way thanks very much for the link to that site, i'm definitely going to spend a few hours(days) trawling through it. 

cheers. 
"if there's one thing we've learnt in the last thousand miles of retreat, it's that Russian agriculture is in dire need of mechanisation"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEle_DLDg9Y&
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QuoteBurroDiablo was the only one who might have made it but...he's effectively retired from modding now


zomg that means another EF dev is gone ?... did burro ever finish his IL-2 model ?  :'( :'(
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SnuGGie wrote:
QuoteBurroDiablo was the only one who might have made it but...he's effectively retired from modding now


zomg that means another EF dev is gone ?... did burro ever finish his IL-2 model ?  :'( :'(




Oh damn really, thats really bad news.
I did really like that self-willed guy which was always going his very own way. ;)


@about the armour of the IS-3 - its really hard to judge.
the hull was almost as good armoured as the KT- i agree, especially because of its shape.

But the turret is really hard to jugde, being casted, a good hit surely penetrated it with ease. (100mm) _|_ but a hit at the side (from the front) would have less pentetration due to the geometry and the resulting armour thickness. Also for the performance of its gun, i guess classing it behind the KT is a good choise.


Too bad about burro  :-[
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Your loseing them faster then you getting 'em  :D
The Russians think there sooo tough, wait till the Ostheer comes...

Coh Name: Seeme
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AbhMkh wrote:
You Know what , lets put the "T-90s , M1 Abraham,Leopard 2 and Challenger 2 " tanks in the game it will be "lots of fun" :D :D

Abrams Tank, man. Abrams. We name our tanks after our generals.  ;)
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True....shame the best names where given to piss poor tanks...Lee/Grant-M3 what a piss poor tank that was
M48-Patton mediocre unknown interim tank....sigh...
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Maybe germany will call the Leopard 3 rommel... We can have hope ;)
#40637

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how about a "1A1 Adolf hitler tank"  sounds pretty evil
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