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Axis Non-German Troops

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#29896

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shalar wrote:
Uau when I opend this thread I never supposed that this idea could generate a lot of discussion as the seen in the posts and more than a thousand views. I suppose that the idea is almost interesting.

Then I pourpose to end with the nationality discussion use a skill named "International Fascist Volunteers" that calls in a special elite infantery unit. No nationality in there and as really was with all nationalities wearing a german like uniform. This International Fascist Volunteers unit could have a lot of special skills as camo + anitank high skill and could be unsupressable, and upgradeable with a marksman. They can be a 6 - 7 man. Don't forget that those men are not soldiers, they are fascist fanatics and are not going to die in the battle as soldiers. They WANT to die in the battle as heroes for honor and their fascist concept of the world.

Then they can be a very expensive unit and because of that a very high elite unit. Almost like the Ritterkreutz troops vs infantery and including 2 panzershrecks and free grenades.

Excuse my bad english today. What you think about?

"They can be a 6 - 7 man" - becouse there was so little of them compared to the real armies?... And Elite axis 6 man squads would be OP.
"They WANT to die in the battle"-yeah right. Fascism is not a religion.

Ostheer dosnt need another elite infantry becouse there are so many elite german units to choose from. As Lord Rommel said "axis allies were used as partisan hunters behind the frontline" - becouse their equipment was inferior to German.
But theres a need for some basic infantry that can fight any infantry up to US riflemen. My idea?
Swapped Italian/Romanian/Hungarian Tier I.
http://easternfront.org/forums/index.php?topic=2876.0
My Ostheer concept.

Last edited March 10, 2010 at 1:25 PM by Paciat

#29903

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hi guys, i have just registered, and this is my first post.
my english language is not perfect, but i will try to share my some ideas.
In my opinion, the best way would be creating a separate doctrine of ostheer allies.my mini concept of ostheer: three doctrines - collaborant, polizei(or turtle tactic or whatever), ostheer allies(axis power). the first doctrine would be some kind of infantry - call in foreign SS legion, force locals to bring more resourses and etc. axis power would be mixed, divided in two parts, like italian and romania or foreign infantry and foreign heavy armor...and maybe event the whole ostheer could be based on that, when you start a game, first you must to choose which doctrine you will have, and for example. you choose collaborant, and you can build some collaborant forces, or if you choose axis power, then you have completely different units and structures.

Last edited March 10, 2010 at 2:13 PM by DukeNukem

#29924

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that's kinda neat
#29926

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Yea.

I like very much this idea with three different doctrine giving three different armies.In this way all people will be pleased having possibility to use what they want => just german units or having mixed army with german and non-german units.

This is far the best idea from all what i saw here.This give possibility to make Ostheer truly unique from other two german factions because no other faction can have three very different armies.

Excellent.
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Last edited March 10, 2010 at 11:27 PM by PSIHOPAT

#29928

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would they be like side parts? like its not about the side country but they are there? like
one will have Romania
one will have Italy
and one will have Finland
no emphasis on them but they are just in different sections   
#29932

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No.
The idea is to keep one doctrine just with german units,and other with mixed army.

First doctrine will be just with german units(preferably with the smallest number of soldiers per team),but to be the best from all Ostheer doctrines or other factions without any doubt.
Second with few elite german units plus non-german units from two countries> Italy and Romania
Third with few elite german units plus another non-german units from Hungary and Finland or Spain...or...free to choose...

In this combination is enough room for recruiting basic and elite units(infantry and tanks),or special from doctrine(with command points),and...eventually some through research with off map call in.

This idea need ALLOT of work but result will be astonishing and no other idea can make Ostheer truly UNIQUE from other factions how this idea is able to do.This is no just a superficial change at the surface,but is an entire concept who need allot of deep thinking.

I think is worth.

The problem is what developers want => minor or MAJOR change.
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Last edited March 11, 2010 at 1:28 AM by PSIHOPAT

#29934

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ford_prefect wrote:
"What is it with Ford and trying to make certain no Spaniards get into this mod? He's everywhere!!!!"
dude whats wrong with giving facts Daiwiz?


Nothing wrong, it's just you keep showing up and saying Spaniards shouldn't be in. It honestly seems like you have something against them.

On the idea: Ye, that's similar to BotB and it works quite well. You start off with basic units, but by choosing certain doctrines you get certain units. Basically your units rely heavily upon what doctrine you choose. Far as I can tell it works quite well and is quite fun. It's actually gotten me to use the Armor company ;)
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#29961

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Psihopat, got my idea. and his right, there would be a lot of work, to create all that different units and balance, but the result super-duper amazing.just image one sub faction with 3 sub factions.
Now we just can image and develop these doctrines.
As I suggested: Axis Power, Collaborant and not polizei,but Last Chance doctrine.
As I imagine, the Axis Power, divided into Italian forces and Romanian.  By choosing this doctrine you are unable to recruit elite and medium infantry and tanks of ostheer, only basic infantry and light vechicle is possible. Italian side follows:
2 points and allow to recruit in your barrack blackshirts(also opens an upgrade for them, like anti-tank weapon or machine gun and etc., like you upgrade and then blackshirts comes with anti-tank,then sub-machine gun.)
2 points and possible to call-in some armor, don't know which, because not an expert.
4 ponts and it's possible to produce Italian armor and elite troops.
same goes for romania, not an expert about romanian military.

Collaborant( as we all know, among collaborants, big amount supported/knew extermination of jews and created a death squads, so is it moral, to call in einsatzgruppen or some king of death squads..)
so collaborant divided into terror tactic and nationalist movements(also some one will be insulted, maybe then renaname into - local nazi movements(?))
this doctrine needs a lot of work, but the main points will be like activate gestapo police(for some time more resources), then obliged locals(more resoursces) and also possibility for call-in and recuiting collaborant forces, like elite foreing SS legion.

And last doctrine - Last chance.
similar to wermacht terror doctrine, and if other doctrines was specialised in call-in or recruiting, Last chance doctrine based on call-in super unit(like maus or whatever super-heavy tank), kriegsmarine(maybe) and effects. like nuclear bomb project?!nazi ufo plates?!(just kiding). enough of heavy artillery, I know, it's always fun, to cover all territory with holes, but i hope ostheer wouldn't have heavy artillery.or maybe, one side of doctrine, for you possible, to call badass maus, and on the other side badass artillery, not gustav, but like Karl-Gerät or Sturmtiger or 42 cm Gamma Mörser or Adolf Gun or even maybe a possibility to build one massine cannon.

oh another idea...you know these medical stations? maybe ostheer possible to build war polygons, which, not just heal your forces, but also brings enemy wounded infantry and create a collaborant batallion?or "send" then to forced labour"(moral question)

Last edited March 11, 2010 at 12:23 PM by DukeNukem

#29965

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"Nothing wrong, it's just you keep showing up and saying Spaniards shouldn't be in. It honestly seems like you have something against them."
I just find them to be silly and Psihopat that makes a lot of sense
#29971

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Spain should not be considered they were a neutral country and making the ostheer all foreign based would be silly, it should be one doctrine if at all.
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#29972

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Why not make the Ostheer's support units (at guns, mgs, mortars etc.) non-greman.
This makes germany the main attacker, while other nations "helpes" them (like I have seen a lot of people saying).
#29974

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Because is just one mortar,one Mg and one AT gun.What can be made?To make itallians with Mg,romanians with mortar,hungarians with AT gun...etc...and that is all support from allies in eastern front?There are many countries with big variety of infantry,vehicle,support,tanks...

Also imagine missions for Osther with this concept.

This idea provide unlimited possibilities...but is need allot of work.
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#29976

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SauerKRAUT wrote:
Spain should not be considered they were a neutral country


That sent a division to fight for Germany in Russia. Neutrality is a bit of a stretched term in this case.
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#29978

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SauerKRAUT wrote:
Spain should not be considered they were a neutral country and making the ostheer all foreign based would be silly, it should be one doctrine if at all.


you have reason, Spain can not be included in the mod that was neutral, but we're not talking about Spain, speaking of the 250th Infantry-Division of the Wehrmacht (Blue Division), some people say they can not be included because no were many but the m26 pershing vCOH appears only 20 tanks in europe in 1945 and appears in the game, somebody said that the blue DIVISION could not appear in the mod that was repatriated in 1943 but in the mod appears this tank kv2 was discontinued, in 1941.

I will use corsix mod studio, and am in process of creating a unit with the skins from blue division when finished I would like to donate to the mod team if they wanted to include it in the mod.
#29979

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hernan wrote:
SauerKRAUT wrote:
Spain should not be considered they were a neutral country and making the ostheer all foreign based would be silly, it should be one doctrine if at all.


you have reason, Spain can not be included in the mod that was neutral, but we're not talking about Spain, speaking of the 250th Infantry-Division of the Wehrmacht (Blue Division), some people say they can not be included because no were many but the m26 pershing vCOH appears only 20 tanks in europe in 1945 and appears in the game, somebody said that the blue DIVISION could not appear in the mod that was repatriated in 1943 but in the mod appears this tank kv2 was discontinued, in 1941.

I will use corsix mod studio, and am in process of creating a unit with the skins from blue division when finished I would like to donate to the mod team if they wanted to include it in the mod.


You are right about that.
But, have you seen any namly mentioned division in the game yet?
Also, others wanted specific foreign SS units, but the name SS will never be mentioned in the relic CoH or the mod itself, as Warty said once.
WartyX wrote:
SS will be incorporated in the same way as Wehrmacht and Panzer Elite. They won't specifically be called 'SS', but certain units' uniforms and loadout will indicate this.


Also, a full "foreign" doctrine is not doable since they didnt have heavy weapons.  Calling in masses instead in one ability would just suck.
But maybe there is a good idea out there, but .. yet im against a doctrinal use.

maybe you got a solution!
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Last edited March 11, 2010 at 4:16 PM by Venoxxis

#29988

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Saavedra wrote:
SauerKRAUT wrote:
Spain should not be considered they were a neutral country


That sent a division to fight for Germany in Russia. Neutrality is a bit of a stretched term in this case.

Division......tell me how many Armies Romania and Italy had?
#29989

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i think the numbers aren't so important, something else is if they send 1000 troops but if at least division that's ok i think
it was told many times that this game isn't historically accurate at 100% and many things are made just for better gameplay like pershing or ostwind the numbers aren't so important...
#29999

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@ford_perfect
No other country can match contribution of romanian forces in eastern front as allied of germany.

Romania in WW2 (wikipedia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romania_during_World_War_II

The war on the Eastern Front
"On June 22, 1941, Germany launched Operation Barbarossa, attacking the Soviet Union on a wide front. Romania joined in the offensive, with Romanian troops crossing the River Prut. After recovering Bessarabia and Bukovina (Operation München), Romanian units fought side by side with the Germans onward to Odessa, Sevastopol, and Stalingrad. The Romanian contribution of troops was enormous. The total number of troops involved in the Romanian Third Army and the Romanian Fourth Army was second only to Nazi Germany itself. The Romanian Army had a total of 686,258 men under arms in the summer of 1941 and a total of 1,224,691 men in the summer of 1944"
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Last edited March 12, 2010 at 12:54 AM by PSIHOPAT

#30001

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thank you PSIHOPAT that's nice of you. So it would make sense to add Romania then yes? Italy I could see as well. Spain...I could see one unit with a certain number of troops allowed
#30004

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ford_prefect wrote:
Spain...I could see one unit with a certain number of troops allowed


I was uner the impresion that the main idea of the spaniard defenders was a doctrine special squad that you can have more than one in the battlefield unless killed, so nothing really "war winning" but still helpfull
#30005

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yea basically like you can get 3 squads if they die, they die can't get em back
#30021

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@Psihopat
Thx for the new info.
I didnt know there were romanian troops on the eastern front...
Italians, sure thing, we all know the spanish blue division, but ROMANIANS???
I would have never guessed that.
But being serious, I dont think we should discuss about if foreigners will be in the Ostheer(cause I am damn sure they will be), we should discuss about their abilities.. ???
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#30036

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and did you know that the Slovakia troops was there too? ;D
#30046

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Venoxxis wrote:
But, have you seen any namly mentioned division in the game yet?
Also, others wanted specific foreign SS units, but the name SS will never be mentioned in the relic CoH or the mod itself, as Warty said once.


Have you actually PLAYED THE GAME YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT?

Just off the top of my head: 101st Division, 12th SS Division "Hitlerjugend", 1st British Airborne Division, 1st Polish Parachute Battalion, Kampfgruppe Lehr. All of them named in the game, some of them (if not all) even have the unit patches on their shoulders, and all of them are real (with the exception of the 3rd Canadian Battalion you play as in the British campaign, Boudica, which I believe might be fictional).

And I haven´t even bothered going through the whole game to rewatch the briefings and see what units are mentioned there (I must be missing at least two more names from every faction).



As for the Blue Division troops suggested for the mod, the idea was having them as special call-ins Storm Trooper style. No "limited number" bullshit that is saved for actually super-special units like super heavy tanks, not for "units I don´t want to see in the game because I´m a wanker and my word has to go no matter what".



PSIHOPAT wrote:
@ford_perfect
No other country can match contribution of romanian forces in eastern front as allied of germany.


PSIHOPAT, we already know Romanian troops contributed a lot to the German effort and we all acknowledge that if any foreign troops were to be represented in the mod, it should be Romanians.

Can you PLEASE shut your mouth already and quit spamming? We KNOW the Romanians fought together with the Axis, we BELIEVE they should be represented in the mod first and foremost. Can you now SHUT UP ALREADY ABOUT THAT SHIT? Honestly, it´s a f*cking wonder you haven´t been banned yet for being so goddamn obnoxious. I swear to God if you don´t quit spamming your nationalistic bullshit, I´m going to start a petition to get you banned on the grounds of you being a rabidly nationalistic troll that is making every single discussion about foreign troops into a pile of crap. I can understand being patriotic, but you are just dragging your country through the mud, making us HATE YOU AND HATE IT BY EXTENSION.

I won´t be surprised if the devs decide to include every country EXCEPT Romanians just to spite you.

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Last edited March 12, 2010 at 3:03 PM by Lord Rommel

#30049

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@Saavedra

I stopped arguing about Romania some time ago.
Also...
Some people did not know about Romania in eastern front,and I just INFORMED few people about that.

***DELETE BY ADMIN***

STOP!
- Okay! That is enough! For both!
The team will see what we will make with you!
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Last edited March 12, 2010 at 3:15 PM by Lord Rommel

#30053

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this is why I don't really like you....
#30056

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you earned your name  psichopath???
your Pic is pretty fitting too.  ;)
lets just settle down
and get back on topic.
???
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#30057

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PSIHOPAT wrote:
JUST ONE IDIOT LIKE YOU CAN IGNORE HISTORY BECAUSE DON'T LIKE ONE PERSON !!!


I don´t ignore history. I actually support including the Romanians (because I have read Antony Beevor´s "Stalingrad" and know that Romanians played a pivotal role in the Eastern Front).

The problem here is that EVERYONE IS TIRED OF YOU TALKING ABOUT ROMANIANS, BECAUSE ALL YOU DO IS SPAM WALLS OF TEXT MIXED WITH BLIND NATIONALISM.

You are so blinded that you didn´t even notice ford prefect´s post was a RHETHORIC QUESTION. Which means that he already knew the answer to his own question, what he intended to mean with what he wrote was that Spaniards should not be included in the mod because they only sent one division, while Romanians and Italians sent many more troops.

Which is, of course, a bullshit reason when you have in mind that CoH includes Sherman Crocodiles (only four of them ever existed, if I remember correctly), you can field as many King Tigers as you want, and what is even better... you can shoot V1s at enemy troops, something Germany never did.


ford_prefect wrote:
this is why I don't really like you....


I thought you didn´t like me because I had an anime-inspired avatar which in your mind meant that I was a teenager, or something like that. That, and your bias against Spaniards that doesn´t make much sense to me.




But yeah, whatever, let´s get back on topic. See how long we can go without ford prefect again positioning himself against including the Blue Division, and/or PSIHOPAT spouting more of his nationalism.
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#30058

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i saw a great idea somewhere here on forum, you can call non  German troops from one ability and it randomly choose from all included units so its the best idea and all nations which fight on eastern front at axis side could be there...
this is great solution of the problem of non German troops... :)
so Italian, Romanian, Hungary, Slovakia, Spain, Finish soldiers could be called but no body knows which one comes:P
#30059

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@Saavedra
Hey chicken brain.

I barely understand and write english and many things are missed in translation like "rhetoric speaking"(or sarcasm) about you talk about. 

So....i judge words just how they are written.

And...YES!!!...I LOVE MY COUNTRY!!!...but that is my "problem"....also if you sell your country for a good tasty sh*t is your problem and i care less.

Consider this subject ended about that and stop attacking me.

On topic => i have nothing against any country to be included in this mod,but i consider to be high priority for countries who actually played a major role in EF.
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#30060

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!!TOPIC CLOSED!!
Team have to talk about this here. So dont hope
that this thread will be open again in near future.
New threads with the same topic will be closed, too.

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Last edited March 14, 2010 at 5:12 PM by BurroDiablo