Axis Non-German Troops

Thank you.

Another unit(i just suggest and developers choose what they like;or not)

romanian infantry
http://www.worldwar2.ro/arme/?article=28

5 man squad

have no special abilities,start weaker,but become stronger after each upgrade(two in number,and can be done one after another)

unit without upgrade is armed with 5x 7.92mm ZB rifle model 1924

First upgrade give better training and equip them with Orita SMG
http://www.worldwar2.ro/arme/static/orita.htm

Secondary upgrade give them 1x 7.92mm ZB light machine-gun model 1930,1x panzerfaust
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note : all weapons from all three units suggested was used by this units.my attempt was to recreate them most appropriate with the history,with the limitation of the game,balance,and uniqueness.if someone have another suggestions is free to tell them

Last edited March 1, 2010 at 6:28 AM by PSIHOPAT

GamblerSK wrote:
the non german units can do the same work as german in the game...and also i think non german units will add more of the unique feeling for the ostheer

well yes, so why bother including and thinking about any non-german units if it is in principe the same? I agree that the ostheer should be unique, but my point is that this will not be achieved by copying other faction and just renaming/remodeling units nor include personalized vocal messages. IMO the uniqueness should be achieved by different approach to game system (like were British, PE or Red Army).

exactly as "hgghg4" is saying:

hgghg4 wrote:
...there where Irish, Canadian, Australian, and other countries on the Allies Side BUT they really aren't represented in the game overall as a particular unit, doctrine or other (Exclusion being the RCA) so why should a particular Axis Country that was Major be represented? ...

if non-german units should be present, I say do it only as a doctrinal unit with some special purpose - like some Saboteurs, or special Scout/Repair car... not by replacing some "classic" EF german unit (like PzIII or Sturmpioniere).

Germany used non german units in eastern front on the large scale.Allied countries was a powerful weapon,and without their help Germany was crushed far more early.To don't accept that is a stupidity.

German army was better equipped and trained,but they was not some kind of gods.Germans has died like any other soldier after one bullet or starving,or freezing.Also they was fled or surrender in the same way,maybe little bit harder but they did that.The most important factor for initial success was superior german organization and generals.

For example romanian mountain hunters was used with several occasions in operations where german troops has failed.If some units will come from doctrine will be just 3 units,one from each doctrine.

New units will bring fresh air in Ostheer,but also is need an original concept for Ostheer.This are two different things.

Powerful unit as vinatorii de munte(mountain hunters) can come from doctrine,prasutistii romanani(romanian paratropers) can come off map after one special research in HQ,and romanian infantry from barrack .

Read for example actions of romanian generals and reasons for their awards/medals http://www.worldwar2.ro/generali/?article=101
http://www.worldwar2.ro/generali/?article=102
http://www.worldwar2.ro/generali/?article=90
http://www.worldwar2.ro/generali/?article=95
http://www.worldwar2.ro/generali/?article=256
http://www.worldwar2.ro/generali/?article=97
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People who believe hungarian or russian intoxication bush*t about Transilvania or Basarabia,i invite them to see who was the aggressor and who was stolen from who and stop insulting my country.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dacia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Romania
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Transylvania

Last edited March 1, 2010 at 2:17 PM by PSIHOPAT

wordsmith wrote:well yes, so why bother including and thinking about any non-german units if it is in principe the same? I agree that the ostheer should be unique, but my point is that this will not be achieved by copying other faction and just renaming/remodeling units nor include personalized vocal messages. IMO the uniqueness should be achieved by different approach to game system (like were British, PE or Red Army).

it includes new weapons which was used by other non German troops martars, Mg's, rifles, at guns there are many of them so it isn't the same just renaming/remodeling its more also these units can have some ability which makes  better gameplay im not saying this is the only way how to get unique ostheer, but one of the part should be non German units...

Example of powerful non german  AT cannon produced in Romania at D.T.UDR-Resita,ASTRA-Brasov and CONCORDIA-Ploiesti
This cannon was more powerful than Pak 40.75mm.md1940 german and AA VIKERS.75mm.md.1936 britanic,but little less powerful than Zis-3.
http://www.worldwar2.ro/arme/?article=300

Axis non german troops can come after one upgrade is made in HQ,named call allied support.After this upgrade can be built one building who allow upgrade for low cost for every non axis unit.After making research for one unit,this unit can be recruied in barrack,or called from off-map through the land or air.

Another non german interesting unit can be "romanian fortification division".Is a expensive unit,but very capable with defensive purpose

This unit is formed by 4 man
They are able to build bunkers(who secure the territory) or trench and can call  TACAM R-2 (maximum 2-3 per game).
http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/396939-2/05
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TACAM_R-2
http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2003/06/stuff_eng_arreborn_tacam.htm

They are equipped with 1x ZB LMG, and 3x SMG Orita.Also they have AT grenades.

Last edited March 1, 2010 at 3:59 PM by PSIHOPAT

For the love of God! The thread says "suggestions" not nagging! For how long can this go on? Just tell this guy he is gonna have his beloved Romanian units and lets get it over with! I mean I dont even know how we could play CoH until now without the ever-achiever, fantastic Romanian troops...God, I mean am I the only one here who is already totally sick of this?  ???

The team must be pleased because i put my activity here.

If this forum have no activity....i think you know what will happen(will die)

I just suggest.For that is this topic.Any people can do that.If they don't do is NOT my fault.
If i suggest 10 units and is selected just one or nothing...is another thing.

So...
Where is the problem ?

Psihopat, you think that because you are 'active' on this board, we should owe you a right to spout nationalistic crap constantly? Activity for the sake of activity is a breach of the forum rules.

You have already preached how brilliant an idea Romanian units are (and insulted several people along the way). Your ideas have been noted by the developers and the community. You don't need to make any more posts on the topic or you will (once again) be breaching forum rules, which I am sure you have already read.

Treat this as a warning.

The 'Non-German Troops' idea is a good one and I support it, but the prospect of getting several million complaints from realism fappers and nationalistic gits about how spoonbendingly idiotic we are for getting the colour wrong on the lapels isn't something I personally look forward to.

Last edited March 1, 2010 at 4:32 PM by BurroDiablo

Sorry but i gotta point it out.
Thank you EF team.

@ the topic, surely, non german support units would be great.
But we do need some orignial ideas for them. Not just any other
unit which simply takes a role of another one. This would make
everybody forget about the importance of these troops as you told us.

We do need some really nice ideas not some spam about something which already exist in another way.


We do need originality. Not just some romanian soldiers 'cause these are romanian soldiers. Forget about patriotism, this is a game also for non-romanian players.

& for god sake.
Do not ask me "whats your problem?" - now.

loran wrote:
...God, I mean am I the only one here who is already totally sick of this?  ???

No mate, I'm tired of it too. Not because he is making propaganda to Romania (which is a beautiful country btw, I visited it several times) but for that spam he is abusing everyone here. These are no suggestions any more, it is literally spam.

@Psihopat: please realize that if you continue to do this, you will achieve exact opposite what you are trying to achieve. You will achieve only that everyone will be sick of Romania units and noone then will bother to think about your suggestions.

I think Romanians offer a great possibility for a unique unit in game. I've even worked out a great special rule for them  :P

They'll be tough 7 man squads, KC style.

BUT, and here is the special rule, if the squad drops to 3 men or less...then they switch sides! Just like they did in the war!...so we get historical accuracy and a unique unit!

It'll be awesome dudes!  ;D

Last edited March 1, 2010 at 5:25 PM by Zerstörer

for historical accuracy: you can make Romanians the third faction controlling large gas assets in the middle of the map. and 10 sec in the beginning to decide which side they join).

...
besides, participating in combat action on the German side is a thorny question for some nations. in Ukraine, for example, due to some recent Acts it's a dilemma the society is being divided with - so... "it's political", guys)
however, personally, I think the more nations presented in CoH, the better. both history-wise and gameplay-wise. Have tried Russians+Brits in 3x3...mmmm! unbeatable mix)

Last edited March 1, 2010 at 5:24 PM by greyreth

@Zerstörer

The idea with that unit is interesting,but you miss one point : romanians switched the side at the end of the war(almost) and that is not in the Eastern Front.Few romanians surrender in combat.See reports from the battles in Eastern Front => less than 3000 was taken prisoners,witch is a very low number compared with forces deployed.

Also search and find true facts from Eastern Front where generals has get order to hold the line with all cost,and they done that fighting until was completely destroyed.When the russians has come at they and proposed them to surrender in the situation when romanians had absolutely no chance for victory,they refused,and has been killed to the last.No one has been taken as prisoner,because even the last romanian soldier has continued to shoot in the russians.Anyway,this thing has been a fact with a major importance,because russians was delayed with precious time from their plans.

Last edited March 1, 2010 at 6:18 PM by PSIHOPAT

another ideas

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8th_SS_Cavalry_Division_Florian_Geyer

this unit was formed for Germanic-speaking Romanian Hungarian Serbian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/28th_SS_Volunteer_Grenadier_Division_Wallonien

is corious this divison the 3 company was formed exclusively by Spanish but in 1945 were removed to form the einzatgruppen ezquerra in Berlin.
Also curious is the flag of this DIVISION is the old flag of the Spanish empire ???

PSIHOPAT wrote:
@Zerstörer

The idea with that unit is interesting,but you miss one point : romanians switched the side at the end of the war(almost) and that is not in the Eastern Front.Few romanians surrender in combat.See reports from the battles in Eastern Front => less than 3000 was taken prisoners,witch is a very low number compared with forces deployed.

but why are you joking about somebody who is joking?
Or didnt you see him to be joking?

I mean, What the hell is that.
These guys are joking with you and you dont see that because your patriotism makes you totally blind.

Also, soldiers which are fighting until they are dead even if they dont have any chance, arent good soldiers, the just needed to do so, or they were stupid. Please NO PATRIOTISM in this forum anymore.

@ topic.
    the problem about these SS divisonen is,
    that the name SS wont be used in the mod/game.

Last edited March 1, 2010 at 6:41 PM by Venoxxis

Sigh...my sarcasm is lost on some peeps...awww well  :'(

@Venoxxis

No.
I am not blind or fool.
I just try to ignore bad things from here and present facts how they was.

Harass from others are tolerated by moderators.
They himself who make rules broke them insults people or other things.
I was upset in the past reacting aggressive and i was warned for that.
Now....i just want to discuss where it seems to be no one interested to listen.

This forum is like USSR =>they give a SH*T about what people say or think
Rules are just for others

Last edited March 1, 2010 at 8:24 PM by PSIHOPAT

PSIHOPAT wrote:
...
This forum is like USSR =>they give a SH*T about what people say or think
Rules are just for others

The problem is that this forum had much more active user than just your person. A forum need rules because a lot of people arent able to discuss topics in a "human" way ( that means friendly, calm, respect for other meanings and so on ) and the admins/ the team respect its own rules but
they had the duty to guarantee the discussion culture of a forum and so please Psihopat stop with your "nationalism flaming".
Please respect that the team had to find a balance for everyone here.
Please respect that this forum is a offering for the community.
Please respect that there is a limit of tolerance and comprehension!

So! Back to topic and when it is possible not again the "romanian theme" because i think the limit of tolerance is reached!

Lord Rommel

Ok, I'll try and make this simple for you as once again you're getting out of line.

1)We've tolerated so far that you've disrupted multiple threads and despite multiple people complaining about your bad attitude, we've decided tou give you a chance and a friendly warning...stop being a pain! You can contribute without spamming,flaming and repeating the same old story. You'd have been kicked off from relic Forums way back if you showed that attitude there. So seriously...get a grip dude.

2)We know more history than you'll ever learn in your life so please stop with the 'lessons'. Reading 3 posts online and posting 3 fact you like from what you've read hardly makes you an expert to try an teach us facts.

3)Saying the Romanians switch sides when the shit hit the fan, tide turned and the Russians were at their doorstep is a fact. Like it or not, there are only 2 countries who 'switched ideals' when things didn't go their way....
The bravery stories are all good and well no need to doubt them but guess what...every country in WW2 has similar ones...its just the shit that happens in war.No one doubts soldiers from all sides fought bravely
Some stick to their ideals to the end, others flip sides...

4) When discussing, you listen to others and don't go off ranting, flaming and bitching cause ...maybe it hasn't occured to you buddy...but you may actually be wrong about some things...and just maybe you should listen to what others have to say

So, please chose carefully any following posts you make

Cheers

i would love hungarian scouts
-they know the area, so they can cloak,
-4 or 3 man squad, not too strong (wield K98)
-get a powerfull first strike bonus when surprising the enemy
-and are not too expensive. But obviously they would need a limit or a harsh upkeep to prevent spamming.
like it has been stated before it wouldnt make sense to just make foreign soldiers to replace the german landserzug (awesome idea by rommel) so the support troops need a unique role (like sneaking up to heavy mortars and fucking them up... 8))
Also i like the Idea of having a weak, doctrinal, early game tank that hunts infantry (like british tetrach)
ok thank you guys for reading...

by early inf tank you must mean the panzer II? FTW?!

I love the idea. Foreign troops I think should only have support role as the Germans carried the Eastern Front on their backs. I disagree with the Mauser though. I made Steyr-Mannlicher and the M44 smg for Hungarians. They did not have Mausers.
As for the Panzer II: I dont hate to disagree. By 1942 the Panzer II was all but obsolete. Heck it was obsolete by 1940! We have Luchs and I think Panzer III is the most mild we should go.

obselecnece is not the point each side used any tank (or any peice of equipment) until late into the war when the number of modern models made wasting the resources on the old ones just dumb.

thx for good feedback
well i am not an expert on the matter of infantry arms of WW2
so i take your word for the mannlichers(sounds great btw)
i dont mean panzerII i meant those romanian or tschech tankettes, them small ones who were eaten by soviet steel but who could stand their turf VS snipers and conscript spam.
i just think the support troops should have really useful abilities
like cloaking, ambush(like PE fallschirmjaegers), or digging trenches, finding mines..

Personally, I suggest using Spaniards and Finns as elite units, and Romanians as others as cannon fodder (weak but plentiful units).

For Finns, think Falls with Assault Nades to ambush the enemy. Maybe they could have an upgrade to get MP40s, but it would have to be expensive, or a marksman upgrade that could work either as the Recon Tommies´, or the G43 Pgrens.

Spaniards could be Grenadiers with the ability to build trenches, and use panzerfausts. A good, average unit with defensive capabilities. A second unit could be some kind of officer or command squad able to call down light artillery (light mortars, nothing anywhere near as powerful as the Wehr or Russian officers´) and use fire-up on the unit itself only, and also use grenades. Basically, think a unit that when its accompanying infantry is pinned down, races ahead to nade the enemy HMG.

Romanians could have both infantry and a light AT gun, maybe a light HMG too. If Russians are the kings of offensive spam, Romanians could be the kings of defensive spam, relying on having a lot of infantry around, and recrewing their support weapons multiple times.

Well the Finns would more likely have their version of the PPsH (that the Russians stole BTW) and a lot of captured equipment. One thing that would be cool is the Finn Lahti 20mm AT rifle, which is mounted on a sled like bit and would have long range and is semiautomatic and is often used with a scope (rape face sniper?). I fired one on a range about a year ago at an exhibition (freaking 35 bucks for a shot, rare ammo either custom or reloaded) and is the loudest and most awesome display of firepower I have seen firsthand.

I was wondering if Ostheer will have Axis Non-German Troops(aka Finns, Romanians, Hungarians, Spaniards, Italians) it could be made with a single call in(something like "calling reinforcements"), creating a method who randomly gives you one 4-man squad of those countries.

Maybe someone just don't like it because it will be multiple instances for a single purpose, or represent a lot of work for dev's. It's just brainstorming.

@ blackbishop

I kind of like that idea. Interesting. Maybe not the Finnish or Spanish, but for the other 3 it looks good.

Hi, long time lurker on the forums but never bothered to register until right now to add my 2cents to this:

While it would be nice to see some non-German Axis military support, it isn't exactly necessary but would be good as additional "flavor" to the game. Come to think of it, you don't hear the Canadians complaining about them being underrepresented without custom skins or units even though it can be said that the Royal Artillery and some of the Royal Engineers doctrine is portraying Canadians forces in WWII

I honestly don't mind having Romanians, Hungarians, Italians, Spanish...etc. But I don't think the introduction of the Finns would be in the spirit of the Ostheer. They weren't involved to the same degree as the other Axis nations on that particular front.

The Finns were mostly fighting a war of homeland defense, not as an aggressor and didn't really connect with the rest of Operation Barbarossa. 

ost_front_soldat I respect your idea but the Finns and the Spanish were better soldiers because they were war veterans and soldiers experts.

What Aqua said.

Speaking as a Canadian, I'm fine playing as the Americans or the British, it is only when game developers decide to place units from a different country and have them capture our objectives. As an example, Caen was heavily fought over by the British, they did the main work. We bombed it to hell and then took it. However, in nearly every game that has Caen you play as the British and they have the British as taking the final bit. Atleast in COH they had our troops fighting over the airfield. Off-topic though.

In terms of the Finns, while I wouldn't mind seeing them, it is true that they generally kept to their own borders having to deal with the onslaught of the Russians or kicking the Germans out, depending on the date. Perhaps a little bit for the future is to add the Finns. But not as a part of the Ostheer. At least, not like this.

Concerning the others, I think it is really realistic to add them. One thing that might be possible is adding in the Ukrainians. Under Stalin they had been starved etc, and so when the Germans steamrolled in they were welcomed with flowers, women, and cheering all around until the "Final Solution" began to take place. They could easily be incorporated into some kind of elite (SS, although this might be upsetting for some) or normal troop. Same can be done for the Polish. Some did welcome the Germans and joined up with the SS. This happened wherever the Germans conquered. Just a thought.

The main thing that needs to be looked at is who would be best suited to stopping the Soviet inf-spam or the Armor-spam? I'm not talking of one faction for both, but every bonus unit has to have some use. Right now the main issue is that the Russians can quickly build up a large force of crap units and swarm you, or they can build up a good sized force for a bit more time and steamroll you. Counters from all of the Non-German troops will be required. Perhaps one troop comes with an mg squad that causes major suppression? Perhaps another has a bonus to laying traps, such as AP mines and AT mines (Look at the Combat Engineers in BotB mod). Heck, the ability to build trenches is pretty useful as from what I can tell most people don't put flamethrowers on their Sturmovie. Just thoughts on the process of unit creation for the new nations.

If a nation used its own weapons, then that should be shown, assuming the modders are willing. The rifles can probably be fixed with little work, and sub-machine guns generally follow a similar way of looks. The MGs I should think won't be much work. As with the SMG, they are generally look-a-likes. Basically, a bit of research into the various weapons produced by any of the countries people mentioned is required.

If anybody knows of some kind of tactic or field upgrade that was common to a group of soldiers, say it, as it would be useful I should think. An example is the Sherman. The Americans made several versions, yes, but the British and us Canadians made a heckuva lot as well. Firefly, DD-Sherman, Brown Bear (I think, I know it had Bear in the name) various mine flails, etc. Say the Bulgarians had a tendency to add, I don't know, a couple extra machineguns to their tanks. Add that in. Place the MGs facing all over the tank, perhaps with the ability to carry a squad and man the MGs.

My thoughts on this, and yes, Non-Germans should be in the Ostheer as they did take part throughout. I don't know how many Russians were used to fight other Russians though.

I have to admit that I kind of disagree with idea that Ostheer should have foreign troops. I mean it kind of not CoH style.
But hey, they should be unique isn't it? So, like it or not, I think Ostheer could have a foreign troops.

It just a suggestion, how if the troops are available through reward system? I believe it will make people who love to see Ostheer with pure German and those with foreign troop can actually get what they wish.

I apologize if it ever discussed before. Well, it has been a while since my last time see this forum.

Thanks

Saavedra I've been gone for a long time and I find it amazing that your STILL pushing your little Spaniards :P. Ok someone give me the static.

ford_prefect wrote:
Saavedra I've been gone for a long time and I find it amazing that your STILL pushing your little Spaniards :P. Ok someone give me the static.

those little Spanish, conquered half the world and created a global empire and were the first to defeat Napoleon's army in the open field, the little Spanish were first getting into paris and never retreated in the est front, so a little respect please.

Adding the troops as a reward is probably best. Perhaps a doctrine is mostly call in units from the other countries, or by selecting say ``Blue Division for 3 CPs`` you now get to produce a limited number of Spanish squads. Could work quite well, I think.

I close this thread for 24h!
Hope that is enought time for the guys to calm down.
So tomorrow i will reopen here - promised!

Lord Rommel

Why i close?
Well; think this will escalate like the last time with the Romanians and i hope that this little break will calm down our "patriots" ;) 

-> OPEN!

Last edited March 9, 2010 at 5:01 PM by Lord Rommel

Uau when I opend this thread I never supposed that this idea could generate a lot of discussion as the seen in the posts and more than a thousand views. I suppose that the idea is almost interesting.

Then I pourpose to end with the nationality discussion use a skill named "International Fascist Volunteers" that calls in a special elite infantery unit. No nationality in there and as really was with all nationalities wearing a german like uniform. This International Fascist Volunteers unit could have a lot of special skills as camo + anitank high skill and could be unsupressable, and upgradeable with a marksman. They can be a 6 - 7 man. Don't forget that those men are not soldiers, they are fascist fanatics and are not going to die in the battle as soldiers. They WANT to die in the battle as heroes for honor and their fascist concept of the world.

Then they can be a very expensive unit and because of that a very high elite unit. Almost like the Ritterkreutz troops vs infantery and including 2 panzershrecks and free grenades.

Excuse my bad english today. What you think about? 

Last edited March 9, 2010 at 5:28 PM by shalar

shalar,interesting idea +1

No!!!
This idea is very bad.

This is just  another german unit with german clothes and weapons,but having another name =>BIG DEAL!!!.

Every allied country for germany had their UNIQUE equipment.This things bring color and variety.Not just names.

Psihopat I share with you the enthusiasm about giving a whole faction to each nationality and I will be glad if we can do it possible but consider that those brave men who work FOR FREE like 28 hours each day in front of a PC programming a FREE expansion pack for our CoH. They can't do like 8 or 10 units to appear randomly in the map that's a lot of work for a small result at the end. And as obviouse is not possible to programm a full new faction for each country.

Then considering that they BRING US THE OPPORTUNITY to contribute with our ideas, make them a gift and be a bit more tolerant with new and dinamic ideas that can increase the game experience in a scale that is at the same time affordable to programm and work with by the developers. Developers that I must say again work for you, for me, and for all us who love CoH FOR FREE !!!!

So please make your contribution thinking about the work amount under your proposal too.

Thanks for reading again and Psihopat I will enjoy one day with a CoH with Italians, Romanians, Hungarians, Spanish and so on, but let them time and go step by step.

Shalar, I am with you and I think a great idea,I would like to see the blue division in the mod,but still  was a German unit more, with the same clothes and weapons So with this I am satisfied ;D.

gretings fron spain.

PSIHOPAT wrote:
No!!!
This idea is very bad.

This is just  another german unit with german clothes and weapons,but having another name =>BIG DEAL!!!.

Every allied country for germany had their UNIQUE equipment.This things bring color and variety.Not just names.

http://worldwartwozone.com/photopost/data/500/medium/IMG_000120.jpg
http://www.ecomodelismo.com/ECO_imgArt/NIMI/NIMI-N017.jpg
http://www.waffen-ss.no/quist.jpg
three different soldiers in the blue division of Spain (which you have shown a liking to in the mod) all wearing basically the same uniform as the rest of the German soldiers. So you are saying that we shouldn't add the blue division then? Rather contradicting to your self don't you think?

the Spanish used the German field uniform and the third picture is of the ss no spanish blue divison,sure you think that uniforms are black and white :P

I personally do not care that add to the Spanish in the mod,I prefer to add italians, that will be easier to defeat the Germans :P.

ah my bad
http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/related/axis_allies/buledivision_files/munoz_grandes.jpg
this IS in fact men in the Blue Division though. Look rather much like German soldiers

What is it with Ford and trying to make certain no Spaniards get into this mod? He's everywhere!!!!

Anyways, I think the easiest thing to do would be Shalar's idea. The thing that would make the most happy on the other hand is units with their country's name, weapons, etc. Personally, I'd like to see them with slightly different skins (To represent the fact that people will often try to differ themselves from others. Dunno how realistic or not) and a mix of rifles. Some Mausers and some rifles from their mother country.

By the "Want to die on the battlefield..." bit you mean that they don't get wounded? I think that would be a nice idea, espeacially since that was how it was with the SS and other fanatical-to-the-death type divisions. An example of the bravery/stupidity of them when faced with danger is a Canadian sergeant throwing 3 knives at a captured SS who doesn't flinch. Fanatical troops refusing water when they are wounded, spitting in medic's faces, etc etc. More willing to die than get help from the enemy.

Anyways, so as not cause a rift of some sorts, this would be a good idea. Perhaps in the future when the devs don't have as much on their plate they could include the units from specific countries, but for now this would be good.

i think spitting in medics faces is a bloody myth
I have never been wounded on a battlefield(lucklily i have never been on one yet...) but I have suffered injuries during various sport events (broke my leg at football and my hand (twice) and I have cut myself a few times (by accident, i aint no Emo ;D) and the first thing you think of when you see your own blood spilled is to get it patched up and to get some painkillers. I think people will always accept help if they are seriously injured.
But gameplay wise i would think that the costly Ostheer Elite Units make a medi-station very important. It also adds realism because Germans needed every man they could patch up. Many german soldiers have been wounded 2-3 times during the war...

"What is it with Ford and trying to make certain no Spaniards get into this mod? He's everywhere!!!!"
dude whats wrong with giving facts Daiwiz?

Hey guys ;) Be friendly and "neutral".
Watch your language - you dont have to attack each other.

With the spanish: Well. This is one of the
"axis" nations. My problem by all of this
nations it that they dont represent the hole
front during the hole time. When the Ostheer
will use such axis units then i think just as call-in
units and then they need special abilities!
Perhaps you think about that.

For example i like the idea out of the other thread
that there are some soldiers for "save resources"
because most of the axis allies were used as
partisan hunters behind the frontline and so in CoH
the mainpoint behind the frontline are resource points ^^