Axis Non-German Troops

Anyone played mEn of war red tide? its all about russia balck sea marines versus romanians. The black sea was a bigger theatre then anyone remembers and had lots of romanians righting.

Lord wrote: u guys know when both Hungarian panzer-divisions saw first combat? End 1943 when russian forces came closer to Hungarian - before this date most of the "axis"tanks were used against partisans or in a very very small number as "alert"-unit.

Well, in 1942 Jun. 28 the 2. Hungarian army braked through Field Marshall Rokosszovszkij's lines (with German support). That was the Weichs Battlegroup. If you have in mind that the Hungarian tank battalions begun to form up from 1938, probably there was a few tanks in the Hungarian Royal Army. lol I didn't got proper numbers, but it is hard to believe non of these tanks saw the eastern front.
I wanted to give the developers some idea, having any of those nationalist bulls*t away, because its not a political topic, and it is really sad that I have to argue with nationalist freaks. Its boring. I have a lot of things in my mind but it's really off topic.
So, yeah you can copy-paste units from Coh, but it would be a disappointment after the Soviet faction. It's you're mod guys... Anyways I wish you the best and don't let me down. Make the Ostheer as good as the Soviets.

God be with you.

"Hungarian, Bulgarian and Romanian troops where the main reason of the defeat in Stalingrad."
@shalar
The Royal Hungarian 2nd Army was stationed at the Curve of the Don river and although it lacked the manpower and heavy weapons it was ordered to defend a stretch of MLR that soldiers were stationed 50 yards from one another to cover the total lenght. Kampfgruppe Kramer held command of the limited Hungarian armour and even the Hungarian tanks could not enter the battle when the Kampfgruppe turned around and executed a withdraw. Those tankers watched their countrymen get decimated and could not, under order, help them. The Hungarian high command protested how the Hungarian winter clothing and food, ammo and medical supplies didnt even reach the front line as the Germans held it back as they suspected the thin MLR will be overrun.
The Russian attacked on that particular section because they knew the Hungarians were over committed and the Germans have no intention of throowing their armour in the battle despite promises made by the German high command.
In spite of all this the Hungarians held the line for days and even pushed back the Russians several times. Villages in the sector were re-occupied and the line was strenghtened in the belief that Kampfgruppe Kramer will arrive. The losses exceeded 50%, in some areas all Hungarians died in division force on the ground they were designated to defend.
Then they pulled back and fought their way all they to the Transylvanian border and then into Hungary covering thousands of kilometres. In the process they destroyed more then 400 Russian tanks and stopped the Russian tzunami twice.
In access of 800 000 Hungarians died in all this. Among them my grandfather.
How can you say that Hungarians are to blame in any degree for the disaster of Stalingrad? I have never heard such disrespectful statement. I suggest you look for the real reasons: attacking Stalingrad was the cause of the disaster. Ordering the 6th Army to stay put was the cause of the disaster. Believing Goring that he will save the situation was the cause of the disaster. And I could go on and on.
But stating in confidence that the Hungarians are to be blamed whereas they fought and held the line for days with no winter clothing, no food or ammo, no medical supplies, ill-equipped with light infantry forces against Russian Tank divisions in winter clothing, well-fed and resupplied with heavy arti support, is criminal!
Shame on you!

SauerKRAUT wrote:
Finns trump all. Their decoy, ambush, divide, and destroy tactics were amazing even with inferior or scarce equipment.

Think about balance for once not about elite units.

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Even the Americans and Brits were contemplating sending the Finns aid, maybe even troops.

It was in 1939-1940 when III Reich and USRR were allies!

The most catastrophic allied for Germany was Italy.
Their force was large,but combat skill...terrible...with some exceptions...
About Hungary...what i can say...they was beaten in history even by romanian womens when they attempting to invade transilvania.
Their population was and is less then half compared with Romania.Any comparison between these countries is useless,because all is clear,and history confirm that.


Hey bozgor asculta asta
"end of romania" raspuns pt.bozgori

QuoteTheir population was and is less then half compared with Romania.Any comparison between these countries is useless,because all is clear,and history confirm that.

have a lot of men ready to die is fine but you need a good equipment if you want to be effective, fact that Romania had a lot of people is one thing but without good weapons and strategy that works you cant win, defending homeland you know is another thing...

QuoteAny comparison between these countries is useless,because all is clear,and history confirm that.

History confirmed nothing between the nations ;)
Or better; your view of history is "very short" because
Hungary was an old and strong "nation/state" ( think of the "great equestrian people - the Magyars" ).

And during ww2 hungarian forces are still interesting because of their own tanks ( Turan, Toldi, and so on ).
Romanies were "interesting" for infantry support.
And so here is my favorite problem of CoH: not so much missions for infantry -> long range, short range, suppressing, anti tank and scout.

At the end i wont belittle some of this nations but for CoH i think they werent so good to represent any "main function".
Perhaps a support role in a GERMAN Ostheer but no "key element".

I think if all three doctrine represent three allied countries,and unlocking specific units would be interesting.

Or at last one unit from every doctrine(unique),and another from buildings.

P.S. maybe is good to put just hungarians in Osther,because i want to kill some.GOD I HATE THEM!!!Romanians are friendly people and this is the reason why allot people from many countries has settled here living peacefully,but this "nation" always attempt to make troubles.They love nothing than himself and hostility is all what they know.In short time in the future,they will have a "little surprise".I can't wait that :D
Siege of Budapest - Romanian Army vs German Army

The Battle Of Budapest 1944 - Waffen SS vs Romanian Army

Last edited February 27, 2010 at 2:19 PM by PSIHOPAT

please dont add traitor allieds,countries that declared war on Germany:italy,romania,ect...,i prefere only german osther or ss volunters,countries traitors who did more harm than good.

i think its more problem of the government and political situation which makes "bad air" almost today we have a lot of Magyar people in our south side of the country and their most normal but the impulsive factor is from the politics and the nationalist movements such as jobbik...

Traitor was the romanian king,not the people.
It was a idiot,and his son is even today exiled and hated by the majority of romanians.

For all who like to watch documentaries,i recommend this
(1/10) Battlefield II The Battle of the Crimea Ep8 World War II

(2/10) Battlefield II The Battle of the Crimea Ep8 World War II

(3/10) Battlefield II The Battle of the Crimea Ep8 World War II

(4/10) Battlefield II The Battle of the Crimea Ep8 World War II

(5/10) Battlefield II The Battle of the Crimea Ep8 World War II

(6/10) Battlefield II The Battle of the Crimea Ep8 World War II

(7/10) Battlefield II The Battle of the Crimea Ep8 World War II

(8/10) Battlefield II The Battle of the Crimea Ep8 World War II

(9/10) Battlefield II The Battle of the Crimea Ep8 World War II

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(1/10) Battlefield II Leningrad Ep6 World War II

Last edited February 27, 2010 at 11:10 PM by PSIHOPAT

Psihopat: Please stop posting all this videos ::)
they arent helpful for this discussion and all of use know that u wont your nation in this mod so please stop political discussion and video-spaming.

Lord Rommel

did any of the older members notice this is JUST like the Finish page. Most of the people who wanted Finland guess what were from Finland!!!! :P

Krasniy Bor is mean the Red Fir (Forest).

His Majesty Michael I King of the Romanians was awarded the highest degree (Chief Commander) of the Legion of Merit by U.S. President Harry S. Truman. He was also decorated with the Soviet Order of Victory by Joseph Stalin "for the courageous act of the radical change in Romania's politics towards a break-up from Hitler's Germany and an alliance with the United Nations, at the moment when there was no clear sign yet of Germany's defeat". He did the right thing.

at the moment when there was no clear sign yet of Germany's defeat"

23 of august 1944...lol.


gave back to Germany when you most need,will be better add romania to the soviet side.

Romania has fought against bolshevism.
Romanian generals was awarded for their merit(even by Germany),but the king was awarded for the "courage" to betray mo***fu**er.
He has spit on the graves of all deaths from Eastern Front.

With his decision the king has saved lives of many romanians PREPARED TO DIE.One million of soldiers has been prepared for holly duty for fighting and dying for the homeland.The soldiers has been organized at border and awaiting the enemy approach.
If the romania not switching the side(followed by others),the result of the war was very uncertain.

In another territories romanians fight with courage,but at home they are very very dangerous,able to destroy enemies far larger and far superior equipped(history is full of example).In Estern Front was a problem with logistic in bringing AT cannons and other stuff,but this things are more easier at home and allot of equipment already was positioned for battle and orders from the generals was "if any russian walk on the romanian land my order is OPEN FIRE!!!".

Romanians has respected his promise(betray) killing or routing all germans from his territories,and giving a lesson to Hungary reaching at their capital,but no more than that.

There are allot of facts with citizens who was hidden the germans at their home saving their lives.

The king will never be forgotten for his betray,because romanians are trustful allies and that mo***fu***er has bring a undeserved shame to my country.

Last edited February 27, 2010 at 11:22 PM by PSIHOPAT

chill out psichopath
you get a bit hyped up over this ;)

PSIHOPAT your a danger for society! Majesty Michael I did good thing and that's not a betray when someone choose betwen evil and the side of allies, stop talking bullsh*t your talking about soldiers ready to die from Romania but if someone turns on you gun then you start for praying and the whole ready for die gone in the wind, you don't know whats war and what is when someone lost somebody, wars are good only as a video game and not for real, everybody get a gift witch's called life no body must die for country its only a propaganda how to waste a life for benefits of someone who is bad...

You know nothing about me and my country and speak like all knowledge of humanity is in your head.Give me a breake with that kid.

Propaganda or not,but no one force me to spill all of my blood for defending my beloved country.I will do that without any hesitation.I have 31 years and even at 70 i will gatter a gun and i will shoot in all who dare to invade the ground sanctified with the blood of my ancestors.I am registered as commander of the artillery piece(howitzer) for time of war.

Also...
Good or bad is a relative term.
What is good for me can be very bad for you.

That mo***fuc***er king was bring an enormous disappointment and shame to all nation prepared for fight against russians.All families with soldiers killed by russians,having another family members for fighting side by side with they was under supreme humiliation.Think even about soldiers with their friends killed by russians,and then forced to fight close by they.Think about situations when two romanian soldiers father and son fight side by side against russians,than son is killed,and lather father is forced to fight close with the killer of his son.

I hate even his son for that and i don't consider him to be romanian.Majority of the romanians hate them most than any other leader.ROYAL PIECE OF SH*T!!!

I suggest you to think more and after that to speak smart-ass.
Lets stop this discussions here about that.

On topic.
Romanian strong infantry close combat are good enough for Ostheer.Romanians are not some kind of cowboys.

Last edited February 28, 2010 at 1:37 AM by PSIHOPAT

QuoteGood or bad is a relative term.
What is good for me can be very bad for you.

Im talking about nazism, read about that first maybe your army feeling will change if not theres no help for you...

holy c*** back on topic,
we are talking about non-german troops in the ostheer,
not about why Michael changed the sides or how bad wa ris (it is still nasty)
well i would like them as doctrinal units ( a doctrin dedicated to the "axis" countries like romania or hungary)
with interesting support options and soldiers that are as loyal as Psichopath ;D

GamblerSK wrote:

QuoteGood or bad is a relative term.
What is good for me can be very bad for you.

Im talking about nazism, read about that first maybe your army feeling will change if not theres no help for you...

Nazism was terrible, but war is never about good/evil or win/lose you must know it. Everyone commited crimes, but remember, the "winner" writes the history...

On topic, i'd like to see some foreign troops, specially from spain, italy and romania (i'm neither spanish, nor romanian or italian), but that is dev's call...

EDIT:

Pauly3 wrote:
... with interesting support options and soldiers that are as loyal as Psichopath ;D

lol, you got a point :D.

Last edited February 28, 2010 at 2:37 AM by blackbishop

that's nice but Romania joined Nazi menace instead of fighting against it, had Poland choice to go with or against? Romania made choice they rather push with Germany, wheres that patriotism? wheres ready to die? France and Britain had choice too i think you know how they decided...

Some suggestions for Ostheer.

Romanain infantry units :

http://www.worldwar2.ro/foto/?id=86&area=31
http://www.worldwar2.ro/foto/?id=193&area=31
http://www.worldwar2.ro/foto/?id=101&area=31

http://www.worldwar2.ro/foto/?id=106&area=31
http://www.worldwar2.ro/foto/?id=105&area=31
http://www.worldwar2.ro/foto/?id=418&area=31

http://www.worldwar2.ro/foto/?id=135&area=31
http://www.worldwar2.ro/foto/?id=137&area=31
http://www.worldwar2.ro/foto/?id=479&area=31

http://www.worldwar2.ro/foto/?id=175&area=31
http://www.worldwar2.ro/foto/?id=201&area=31
http://www.worldwar2.ro/foto/?id=178&area=31

http://www.worldwar2.ro/foto/?id=210&area=31
http://www.worldwar2.ro/foto/?id=246&area=31
http://www.worldwar2.ro/foto/?id=265&area=31

http://www.worldwar2.ro/foto/?id=303&area=31
http://www.worldwar2.ro/foto/?id=377&area=31
http://www.worldwar2.ro/foto/?id=440&area=31

http://www.worldwar2.ro/foto/?id=463&area=31
http://www.worldwar2.ro/foto/?id=475&area=31
http://www.worldwar2.ro/foto/?id=481&area=31

http://www.worldwar2.ro/foto/?id=494&area=31
http://www.worldwar2.ro/foto/?id=493&area=31

Last edited February 28, 2010 at 9:19 AM by PSIHOPAT

Romania is the perfect example why WW2 cannot be interpreted without knowing WW1. In WW1 Romania teamed up with the winners (ANTANT) and took huge chunks away from neighboring countries without contributing to the victory itself. Got Transylvania from Hungary with 3 million Hungarians and only entered WW2 to be able to keep this territory because Hungary was about march thru alongside the Germans. Just twenty years earlier the Romanians were fighting against the Germans, Austrians and Hungarians then switched sides to be with the appearant winners of the new world war. Turning on its former allies the French and British - the very states that rewarded Romania with huge territories. Opportunisticly I might add. The German only needed a former enemy because of the oil fields of Romania and a buffer zone between The Reich and Bolsevism. Romania did not fight against Bolsevism, Romania entered the war to sit at the table after the war and enjoy rewards again for no significant contribution in the war effort itself. Again.
Then, when things went bad and Germany was losing the grip on the war Romania figured the winners are on the other side. So backstabbed its allie Germany. Are you counting? Switching side for the third time in only three decades. Fought WITH the Bolsevists because the Romanians always wanted to end the war on the winner's side for possible rewards. Then re-occupied Transylvania once more and took it from Hungary once again with all its Hungarian population just to mistreat those people for decades to come.
Are you serious about including such a country portrayed and giving it a role? In what? Backstabbing?
Psyhopat, stop your crap about Romania's heroism! The Romanian army did not have a single achivement during either wars other then trying to make friends with the winners all the time. No principals, no real goals, no belief, no sense of partnership and no backbone to stick to its allies ever. Just the greed to take something it couldnt alone.
I am sick and tired of this horseshit about the might of Romania. Face it, your country (not you) was a backstabbing traitor, swinging from left-to right-to left again- to right again just to end the war on the winners' side. That does not deserve portraying!
The Hungarians could not make a significant contribution but at least remained allies to the very bitter end and refused the Russian offer "to end the war now, backstab the Germans" while their country was all but destroyed by the very force offered to end their suffering.
I dont care which country is gonna be given any role in Ostheer, i dont care if its the Romanians but pls Psyhopat stop blabbing about how great a country and allie Romania was and how it must be portrayed because I dont think the 2d artist on the EF team has enough resources to remake the flag every time the Romanians decide to switch sides during the play.

loran wrote:
Romania is the perfect example why WW2 cannot be interpreted without knowing WW1. In WW1 Romania teamed up with the winners (ANTANT) and took huge chunks away from neighboring countries without contributing to the victory itself. Got Transylvania from Hungary with 3 million Hungarians and only entered WW2 to be able to keep this territory because Hungary was about march thru alongside the Germans. Just twenty years earlier the Romanians were fighting against the Germans, Austrians and Hungarians then switched sides to be with the appearant winners of the new world war. Turning on its former allies the French and British - the very states that rewarded Romania with huge territories. Opportunisticly I might add. The German only needed a former enemy because of the oil fields of Romania and a buffer zone between The Reich and Bolsevism. Romania did not fight against Bolsevism, Romania entered the war to sit at the table after the war and enjoy rewards again for no significant contribution in the war effort itself. Again.
Then, when things went bad and Germany was losing the grip on the war Romania figured the winners are on the other side. So backstabbed its allie Germany. Are you counting? Switching side for the third time in only three decades. Fought WITH the Bolsevists because the Romanians always wanted to end the war on the winner's side for possible rewards. Then re-occupied Transylvania once more and took it from Hungary once again with all its Hungarian population just to mistreat those people for decades to come.
Are you serious about including such a country portrayed and giving it a role? In what? Backstabbing?
Psyhopat, stop your crap about Romania's heroism! The Romanian army did not have a single achivement during either wars other then trying to make friends with the winners all the time. No principals, no real goals, no belief, no sense of partnership and no backbone to stick to its allies ever. Just the greed to take something it couldnt alone.
I am sick and tired of this horseshit about the might of Romania. Face it, your country (not you) was a backstabbing traitor, swinging from left-to right-to left again- to right again just to end the war on the winners' side. That does not deserve portraying!
The Hungarians could not make a significant contribution but at least remained allies to the very bitter end and refused the Russian offer "to end the war now, backstab the Germans" while their country was all but destroyed by the very force offered to end their suffering.
I dont care which country is gonna be given any role in Ostheer, i dont care if its the Romanians but pls Psyhopat stop blabbing about how great a country and allie Romania was and how it must be portrayed because I dont think the 2d artist on the EF team has enough resources to remake the flag every time the Romanians decide to switch sides during the play.

+1 thanks.

Romania offered enormous help to Germany and is not his fault for defeat of Germany.Germany himself has chosen his allies(others).Idiotic strategies and courage of the chickens has bring the consequences(see how hungarians was encircled and destroyed and italians made pilaff).The Germans was confident in romanians bringing them where other was incapable,but the size of the front covered was too much for his strength in that area.In their arrogance german generals was ignored signal of alarm given by the romanian generals,and later the result has prove right what romanians  was predicted.

Decorations from generals are from battle,and don't compare them with the king who obtained his medal for betray.

Romanian king was a fool in WW2 spearing Hungary.In that time was the moment to raze Hungary from the map of the world once and for all.All hungarians must say them thx and bring flowers at his grave.

Also disinformations are always the weapon used often by hungarians,and i confess => i hate them for that

Romania has switch the side at the end of the war(more than 80% of battle was against russia),and about that i told what was necessary to be told.

This mod is about war on the Eastern Front,and Romania was against Russia all the time there.

Clear ?

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http://www.worldwar2.ro/operatii/

http://axis101.bizland.com/RomanianAwards01.htm

http://www.worldwar2.ro/decoratii/

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Last edited February 28, 2010 at 11:57 AM by PSIHOPAT

You making your country what it isn't, even in the history Romania never was an expansive nation almost only defending their homeland so stop talking this bullsh*t even today is one of the poorest countries from Europe and the ww2 shows how Romania was scared from germany and turn on their side so no patriotism no honor as your saying so stop that! Polish soldiers was more brave they stand against enemy and fight him even if they know they cant win that's heroism and not what Romania did!

Polish are famous for one fact happened in WW2 =>has send against german tank division their famous cavalry armed with old fashioned lance from WW1 and Short-bore rifle.They thought about german tanks to be made by cartoon,but unfortunately was not.Imagine the fun of the german tank crew when they saw this "brave attack".Also imagine the shock of the cavalry when they managed to hit tanks with the lance.Very funny i must say :)

Romania was able to destroy or rout all german forces from his territory without help from no one when he decided.Polish army was crushed in the blink of the eye. Romanians strike when they are sure about victory.If is necessary to be thrown in death 300.000 soldiers in one battle romanians do that without hesitation ONLY if the final result is victory on their side.

To be brave is different than to be fool.Many countries make mistakes in confusing this two different things.

Last edited February 28, 2010 at 12:30 PM by PSIHOPAT

again stupid nonsense

QuoteRomania was able to destroy or rout all German forces from his territory without help from no one

Really? why it don't happends? that's lie if something like that happends Romania fall because they cant face the blitzkrieg France must surrender but they fight and their economy and army machinery was better then Romanian so what you want? your just saying your version wake up and start feeling things how they really are and not how you wanna see em...

HEY!!!
Why all of you harass me ?

Only one thing is important for this mod : Romania has fought on the Germany side in Eastern Front ? The answer is yes.

So...
Let's stop other comentaries

Last edited February 28, 2010 at 12:41 PM by PSIHOPAT

Why? because you post some things which aren't as you saying...okey lets stop commentaries like this but you stop saying like Romania was the most powerfull germany allied and Romania was so important and germany couldn't face them and all the sh*t like this...

Search yourself clues and than make comments.
Is more wise.

Also you have something against adding some romanian units for Ostheer ?
I have nothing against other units from other countries,because this things will make this new faction more interesting and unique from the old ones.

Romanian soldiers

Last edited February 28, 2010 at 12:57 PM by PSIHOPAT

no i don't have anything against adding new units, Axis units, non German units i wish Ostheer would be mix of German and axis troops and army machinery but that's upon the developers to choose and make so...
but that's something different of what we were talking about

Suggestions for romanian units

Romanian Infantry



NCO with Berretta M38, officer with Baretta M34 and flamethrower



Tank killer with grenade bundle and sniper



LMG team: ZB30 with 2 man crew

Stop!

Stop to discuss about "romanian topic" without the CoH Linking!
We all know your position Psihopat!
We know your "patriotism".
We know that Romania had soldiers and weapons ect..
And so everything about the "historical" part is said by all of you. When u want to discuss about the "history of the state romania" please use the "offtopic"board!

I will delete any new post about the romanian topic which isnt productive for the CoH-Ostheer topic!

And be sure: The dev-team will think about the Ostheer and
the team will decide about the Ostheer ;)

Last edited February 28, 2010 at 1:11 PM by Lord Rommel

This topic is for non german units for Ostheer
It is ?

In the last two post i just posted some ideas about some non german units.
What is wrong in that ?

You kinda just flooded your ideas over all 6 pages?

PSIHOPAT wrote:
Polish are famous for one fact happened in WW2 =>has send against german tank division their famous cavalry armed with old fashioned lance from WW1 and Short-bore rifle.They thought about german tanks to be made by cartoon,but unfortunately was not.Imagine the fun of the german tank crew when they saw this "brave attack".Also imagine the shock of the cavalry when they managed to hit tanks with the lance.Very funny i must say :)

Romania was able to destroy or rout all german forces from his territory without help from no one when he decided.Polish army was crushed in the blink of the eye. Romanians strike when they are sure about victory.If is necessary to be thrown in death 300.000 soldiers in one battle romanians do that without hesitation ONLY if the final result is victory on their side.

To be brave is different than to be fool.Many countries make mistakes in confusing this two different things.

lol,please read books and search real information this charge never existed is pure propaganda,read osprey or antony beevor books,the polish cavalary use at guns,rifles,machine guns and mortar,the spears only use in parades.

I think the Royal Hungarian 2nd Army should be given support role in Ostheer. They did not achieve much either in offensive or defensive action (on tactical level yes, but not much strategically) after the Curve of the Don but were often used on rear guard role and flank support by the retreiving Germans and often received German tank support for that.
It should be interesting.
Portraying the Hungarians infantry is almost just a 2d job because their M35 helmet and long coats looked almost identical to the Germans' and their gear (gas mask cylinde, mess kit, ammo pouch) also looked close enough that only a skinning job would make regular German infantry look like Hungarian infantry pretty well as they looked IRL.
Although they had interesting tanks of which the Zrínyi assault gun was particularly successful, the army received German Marder IIs, Panzer IVs, and StuGs. It is also realistic to assign German panzer support just like it often happened.

Rifles: Steyr-Mannlicher, smgs: M39 or M44, lmg: Madsen or ZB26 are simple models to make for the infantry. They can use German mortars.

My point is, that with minimum input the Hungarian Army could be portrayed and since they were historical allies to the Axis in previous wars also and remained allied with the Germans literally to the last day of the fightings (in fact about 40 thousand Hungarian troops crossed to border to Austria to keep fighting even after Hungary was forced to sign its surrender), I think it would be an asset and historically correct. Its hard to imagine the Eastern Front without the Hungarian Army, although ill-equipped and with shortcomings. Of the total number of casualties of the Eastern Front hundreds of thousands were Hungarians.

Fox wrote:
You kinda just flooded your ideas over all 6 pages?

+1

hernan wrote:

loran wrote:
Romania is the perfect example why WW2 cannot be interpreted without knowing WW1. In WW1..

+1 thanks.

Wow... impressive... this turn the tide on my opinion about Romanian "intervention"...

loran wrote:
I think the Royal Hungarian 2nd Army should be given support role in Ostheer...

+1

blackbishop wrote:
On topic, i'd like to see some foreign troops, specially from Spain, Italy and Hungary (i'm neither spanish, nor hungarian or italian), but that's dev's call...

Fixed, i think its correct to add (if its planned to) countries who fought along side Germany not traitors, after all, this expansion is somehow historic-related.

hgghg4 wrote:

Fox wrote: You kinda just flooded your ideas over all 6 pages?

+1

+1... i didn't realize that are 6 pages and counting  :-X

If we will have hungarian and romanian soldiers in Ostheer make them to shoot each other if stay close more than 1 minute....or if that is not possible....make them to kill each other if enter in weapon range.

This will make Ostheer more fun for play... original from other german factions...with new unique "ability"...and is nothing historically wrong in that.

Funny idea  ::)
I'm not sure: should i delete this post or not?
Help me to find the productive side of this post.
PRODUCTIVE FOR COMPANY OF HEROES -
How does this "idea" should help the player
to win the game??
Lord Rommel

Last edited March 1, 2010 at 12:36 AM by Lord Rommel

All posts here represents the idea of including non-german units in ostheer... I say, why not make it simple and don't do that. The most important part of ostheer was Germany, face it boys without Germany there would be no ostheer. But without Hungary, Romania or Slovakia it would.

Anyway there is one simple reason - every faction in CoH has about 15-20 units (including doctrinal), if we start to think about including non-german units, there will be just not enough place to keep some important german units which for sure were 100x more present on EF than any non-german.

If you want to make difference, please try to think different game approach or play style to include in ostheer. Different game mechanism. And please put aside your national pride, this is just a game and should be fun to play, not to think about some patriotic crap.

Answer to Lord Rommel

The idea is to force the player to have more care about deployment of his units.
Romanian units was separated from hungarians in Eastern Front...as information....
Non german units will be more rare(probably),and will need little more attention.Is nothing wrong in that,because every allied nation for germany was with their problems.If are used right can lead to a brilliant victory.If are used wrong can make catastrophic problems.

Non german unit suggestion
http://www.worldwar2.ro/arme/?article=29
vanatori de munte (mountain hunters)

Four man squad 3x ZB rifle(one is medic),1x ZB ZB light machine-gun
Highly mobile elite unit

Abilities :
-no retreat
-immune to suppression
-spread on the wide area
-sprint

Upgrades(able to transform unit purpose)

optional first upgrade
2x ZB rifle 1x ZB light machine-gun 1x 75mm mortar (used as assault or support unit)
able to deploy mortar with fast speed
able to spread formation
loose sprint ability

optional secondary upgrade
2x ZB rifle 1x ZB light machine-gun 1x 20 mm AA machine-gun
able to spread formation
automatically camouflage in cover
loose sprint ability

note : spreading formation is useful against grenade or mortar attack.If is hit,is hit one or two...not all
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http://www.worldwar2.ro/arme/?article=26
Romanian paratroopers

highly trained parachutist unit

Four man squad
2x ZB 30 light machine-gun,2x 7.65 mm Mauser submachine-gun

Abilities
-binoculars
-reinforced by air
-retreat at the border of the near friendly territory(only if is in enemy territory)

Upgrade
1x Pignone 1937 flame-thrower replacing one ZB 30

Last edited March 1, 2010 at 4:59 AM by PSIHOPAT

I think what Lord Rommel is saying is that there where Irish, Canadian, Australian, and other countries on the Allies Side BUT they really aren't represented in the game overall as a particular unit, doctrine or other (Exclusion being the RCA) so why should a particular Axis Country that was Major be represented? They all used namely the same equipment so there really isn't any variation. I know you are patriotic and stuff but lay off the dev's with your "Romania is best" rantings

What is your problem ?
For what the F*** is this topic ?
What is his name ?
What is his purpose ?
I just suggest and have no power or will to force someone.
Is not my fault if others are not interested by this mod or this topic.
The decision is at developers,and your right is to shut up and leave me alone.

wordsmith wrote:Anyway there is one simple reason - every faction in CoH has about 15-20 units (including doctrinal), if we start to think about including non-german units, there will be just not enough place to keep some important german units which for sure were 100x more present on EF than any non-german.

the non german units can do the same work as german in the game...and also i think non german units will add more of the unique feeling for the ostheer

Right.

Originality+historical accuracy+missions inspired from real facts

I see only advantages in that.

Well. I write my note into psihopats post because i couldnt see any seriously answer for the topic - own troops which fight against each other on the battlefield - for my a absolutely senseless idea for CoH.

And at psihopats first text there wasnt any explication for this idea and so i had to think that it is a "ironic", aggressive answer because of the "hugh criticism"  against "his nation".

Now with his real explication i had no more reason to delete the post because i see that there is an idea.
Okay. I dont like it but this is an idea and no aggressive, senseless answer as i had assumed.

Last edited March 1, 2010 at 4:16 AM by Lord Rommel