Italians

Italians should be a call in unit in the game for 1 cp.5 men with poor accuracy curcano rifles but make up for it in abilities and survivability.(Cost 280 mp)

Firstly their negative attributes ,

1. When ordered to move/attack they do as commanded 50% of the time (this adds realism and tactical aspect to italian troop managment)

2. When fired upon they immediatly retreat 75% of the time and 25% of the time they hold position get surrounded and destroyed (encourages troop preservation and intelligent use of positioning)

Now the positives

1. Have the fastest retreat speed of any unit.

2. Can use "make espresso" ability for 2 fuel and 1 munition , this allows italian unit to make espresso's which gives boost to surrounding units allowing faster retreat speeds to all other axis infantry for 15 seconds. (again adds realism because in reality every italian soldier was issued an espresso pot , and caffeine boost would allow faster running.)

3. Cheap.

4. Look slightly like conscripts so could confuse the slower soviet players , also donkies can roam randomly around the map after their arrival (donkey models already made by relic reducing workload)



I think we all agree this is a viable unit for realism and filling a niche in retreat bonus.

Then for a further 2 cp the powerful italian armour can be called to the field. Costing 350 mp and 40 fuel this beast will strike fear into its russian adversaries,



Again negatives first

1. Due to harsh weather conditions and italian engineering the tankette will become imbolized on 75% of movement orders (allowing effective static defence).

2. Its fragility means that one anti tank rifle round could penetrate the entire vehicle but its tendency to explode destroys the chassis and ends any attempts by devious russians to capture or salvage this fine piece of italian weaponry (in further updates).

Now the postitives

1. ...?  :-\

2.The tankette itself and its wreck can add to battlefield scenery possibly distracting allied players for a few seconds.

The italian army is a must add for this mod for the cool units shown above and their great fighting spirit.

Winston Churchill said of the italians , We had them as allies in ww1 so it is ONLY fair that the germans have them as allies this time around.

This proves the italians should be in the mod in all their glory!

Last edited January 16, 2010 at 1:13 PM by BATTERIES

Took me a while to work out whether you were being serious or not.

The italians should not be doubted for their fighting prowess.

I lol'd

BATTERIES wrote:


Then for a further 2 cp the powerful italian armour can be called to the field. Costing 350 mp and 40 fuel this beast will strike fear into its russian adversaries,

What the hell is that?
a soviet stell monster would just roll over it.

-> for all and the same reason the italians dont really seem
to have something special which could fit it. expect the papa, this beast will strike fear in the hearts of the russians.



nah man, other countrys are a good idea, but they simply dont fit, because they have nothing to counter a soviet attack.

Haha, nice post.

Whats the difference between Bread and Italians...

Scroll --> You can turn bread into soldiers  ;D

Nah, in all seriousness Italy being useless was alot to do with the economy not being ready for war, the machinery being crap, and the people not being die-hard fascists. Not necessarily the soldiers themselves.

Cheers

Italy was an excellent ally be quiet!  >:(





See mussolini and sum italian soldier like the idea...so plz INCLUDE ITALY PLZ !1!!1!

Last edited January 16, 2010 at 2:37 PM by BATTERIES

First the Russians have the advantage of the IS-2 and NOW they have the advantage of fighting Itallians!

HOW OVERPOWERED DO YOU WANT THE RUSSIANS TO BE

Making an italian faction would be a weird idea, mainly beacause of balance. But you could put the Alpini (italian mountain troops who also fought in russia) as an infantry unit.


They could use weapons like MAB 38 smgs and Carcano 91/38 rifles. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAB_38)

MAB 38 was a very good weapon, but never reached the amount of German MP40s because of production issues.

Italians were not bad soldiers. In fact, Alpini were special mountain units, but they were sent with mountain equipment in a plain region against tanks and mechanised infantry (which aren't typical enemies of the battleground where they used to fight  :P )

You could put them as a basic infantry unit good vs infantry, but uneffective against vehicles. Maybe an upgrade could be the providing of MAB 38, or something like that.

CommissarGears wrote:
First the Russians have the advantage of the IS-2 and NOW they have the advantage of fighting Itallians!

HOW OVERPOWERED DO YOU WANT THE RUSSIANS TO BE

IS-2 really isn't that great, calm down.

Im surprised how many people here love italian cock...

...where did willys come into this  :P

Warning: we only stray onto that kind of subject when Apex's voice is mentioned...

;D

Batteries : I am in awe. If I didn't know better, I would
swear you were me on a 2nd account... ;) Same type of
humor ;)

Robob : Yea, nice proposal.

Well, it's entertaining to say the least ;)

nbeerbower wrote:

CommissarGears wrote:
First the Russians have the advantage of the IS-2 and NOW they have the advantage of fighting Itallians!

HOW OVERPOWERED DO YOU WANT THE RUSSIANS TO BE

IS-2 really isn't that great, calm down.

oh the irony!

wow

at least some people have a sense of humor  :'(

Well, Its just my humble opinion, but I think is no where near fun making mockery of dead soldiers and war veterans...

Eh. Same thing as sex orientation, political inclinations,
'taste'... humor can't please everyone. Nothing can, really.

It's all relative.

Disrespectful as it was, I, personally, kinda liked it :)

I love morbid humor :D

i think that also playing with the italians will be great, maybe you could add them as a light support squad like the luftwaffe troops in Opposing fronts for the PE.

@BATTERIES, dont be stupid the italians fought very bad cos italy wasn't prepared for war, Mussolini also knew that, it's not a fact of being coward.. how would you fight against a tank if you dont have any at weapons or enough equipment..

Coward, Coward... so easy to use that word.

Italians didn't want the war that Mussolini threw upon them.
They ON TOP OF THAT didn't have proper equipment. What
could they do?

I am TOTALLY in favor of Italians (Any other axis country,
even) being included. Germans did not fight alone, contrary
to some beliefs on Axis side, hm?

Not saying make a PURE Italian faction, though :)

Italian faction with German call-ins? OstHeer with Italian
call-ins? I don't mind.

Im for Italians with german call ins, sounds cool. Finns with captured equipmment and german call ins can work to...

Yea. I think by fan mass alone, Finns SHOULD be in-game
in some form, somehow :)

Just not as pure Finn alone, but the idea of a repainted
T34 for OstHeer is yummy (and easy to do!) enough, no? :)

Hey Luop, Why dont you make your own Ostheer concept? I think you have some cool ideas, you should put them into use.

I'm all for Italians. Could provide some interesting gameplay.

Whenever called in, they could open up a new front somewhere on the map and force you to split your resources to pull their arses out of the fire...  ;D

And as soon as you reach the late game, any Italian units on the map switch sides and fight for the Allies.  ::)

Ryousan wrote:
Hey Luop, Why dont you make your own Ostheer concept? I think you have some cool ideas, you should put them into use.

burro said he didn't even read most of them (my bad burro you said "you would go into a coma"), and all other devs didn't even respond to my question so....

The dev who is in charge of faction design reads all the posts regarding the Ostheer.

Unfortunately as the moderator I have to as well, to check for swearies and naughty people.

mm as far as i concern, the italians sent to russia more than 50.000 men, 1000 pieces of arty, 400 AT, 250 Anti air and 5000+ light vehicles /tanks this was the ARMIR. In russia the italians weren't that bad as for example happened in africa or in greece because Mussolini sent the best of his troops to show Hitler that italy was still capable to fight.

Those troops were composed essentially by Alpini, well trained infantery, that manged several time to push back the russians during the retreat.

the idea of making an italian faction would be great but not realistic, i mean the italians were less then a 1/10 of all the troops deployed to the eastern front. I would prefere a call in squad like partisans for the russian faction. They were a little bit like the british faction (so like ww1 style): preferred to digg in and use artillery and anti tank guns due to insufficient tank production. (The defences of tobruk were build by the italians and took a while before 1st the brits, 2nd the germans with rommel managed to overtake em)

i would like to show you some video i found about the italian army in russia, let me know what you think about it:

-german propaganda:

Italian combat in Russia

-an old but realistic italian film(with also historical clips):

The Italian defeat on the Don River

-an overview of the italian army in all fronts:
Italian Army in Second World War ( Armata Italiana)

Last edited January 18, 2010 at 1:35 AM by EasyWinHunt3r

i see a mountain burro in that pick, lol

BATTERIES wrote:
Italians should be a call in unit in the game for 1 cp.5 men with poor accuracy curcano rifles but make up for it in abilities and survivability.(Cost 280 mp)

When fired upon they immediatly retreat 75% of the time and 25% of the time they hold position get surrounded and destroyed (encourages troop preservation and intelligent use of positioning)

Have the fastest retreat speed of any unit.

Can use "make espresso" ability for 2 fuel and 1 munition , this allows italian unit to make espresso's which gives boost to surrounding units allowing faster retreat speeds to all other axis infantry for 15 seconds. (again adds realism because in reality every italian soldier was issued an espresso pot , and caffeine boost would allow faster running.)

Cheap.

I think you are being really mean to the Italians...  >:(

Who in the world would pop a cup of expresso in the heat of the battle?

You are putting the Italians in the same box people put the French.. Cowards who can't do anything right.  Shame on you!  ;)

Last edited January 18, 2010 at 1:55 AM by Hurson

the french got tricked twice in the same way lol
first world war and second, at least in the first managed to stop the invasion.
what do you all think about my previous post?

I kind of understood what you were going on about...

Until I read the part of the 'make espresso' ability.

Quite simply, I lol'd.

How is this disrepectful to italians veterans? If introduced along my outline they could be a force to reckon with  ,their skills of retreat could not be surpassed!
Anyway do you think dead soldiers (if they could speak now) , would want you to be crying for them? have a laugh and get a life.

Introduce the italians , but only along my specifications because anything else would be just too abstract when compared to reality.
Also the italians were the best army in the whole war ,
1. they didnt  , lose to france when they tried to invade , when france was over run with germans and their army scattered.
2. they didnt ,  have embarrassingly bad disasterous campaigns everywhere else and call for german help and divert german forces badly needed elsewhere.
3. they didnt  , surrender all their equipment and rations in north africa , in turn feeding the british for weeks.
4. they didnt  , surrender and then join the allies in a treacherous move that cause japan to declare war on them.
5. they didnt  , have the worst designed rifle in the war .
6. they didnt  , not have any communication between the different sections of the armed forces ( airforce and navy and army) , meaning combined arms couldnt  happen.
7. they didnt  , have an airforce that consisted of mostly bi planes in the battle of britain.

Oh wait....

and I could go on.

We lost a lot of people in the Malvinas War, I understand that pain and I know war and death is not something people should make jokes about.

Hhaha that was good satire (original post).

I gave you a warning in your previous post to abide by forum rules. I suggest you read through the [b]Forum Rules very carefully before making posts in the future. [color=green]'stfu noob' is in direct breach of rule number one.

If you wish to discuss this further, feel free to PM me.

-WartyX

Last edited January 20, 2010 at 4:32 PM by WartyX

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People here need to get along more...

I didnt call you disrespectful BATTERIES. I just said that if this is a joke is not fun to me...

My Post

QuoteWell, Its just my humble opinion, but I think is no where near fun making mockery of dead soldiers and war veterans...

Where did I call you disrespectful?

Oh crap I forgot I said that lol.
Italians still sucked though  ;D

I'm sure germans don't like being all called Nazis.
In-Game, they're sorta fine with it if they get kickass
units to make up for it, eh.
Russians, same. Squishing zillions of stupid no-retreat
conscripts because, well, obviously, soviet generals were
megalomaniacal homicidal monsters who enjoyes the
slaughtering more of their own troops than their enemy's...

  Love, beauty, hatred and... humor.
Is in the eye of the beholder. It's relative. Can't
please everyone. Got a few nice articles about humor
that discuss just that.

luz777 wrote:
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People here need to get along more...

let me get this straight...you want people who are waiting for three years that is gonna be a WAR mod for spamming the crap out of infantry to get along?

Haha, pretty much yes. Surely cant be that hard?

Especially since most of the arguments involve people who've been here around 2 days  :P

"Surely cant be that hard"
don't call me Surely
and hell it's a good thing that a bunch of new people are here (but they could look at at least 3 or so pages of comments and they would notice this has been talked about seven times ;D

Haha if we could do +1's I'd give you one for the Airplane  ;D

Indeed it is good, which is why we should all hug and be friends...look at me, I sound like a bloody hippy  :P

hey I'm the one who drank a cup of grass today ;D its Austin Texas ok! they just cut some grass up and put it in a cup :P don't worry Luzzz I will be your friend and kill a thousand conscripts of your while I am your friend

I just love how easily topics can get off topic on these forums.

yeah but oh well

Ok, I registered just because of this topic (other than the awesome mod)


Despite my nickname, I am italian....it's just a tribute to Premier Romanov from Ra2

Now...
That was indeed quite direspectful...but I can accept satire.

My Grampa served in the ARMIR...and no, he and his buddies never ran like pussies. He even lost a leg in battle.

Italians soldiers were no less brave than any other country's soldiers...they just lacked proper weaponry and the crazy indoctrination seen in other Axis.
They were on the wrong side too...

So, it's true, tanks and weapons sucked...but not the men.
Also, we never commited the atrocities of Germans and Japaneses. We just did our fair share, just like the US and Brits.

Loupblanc wrote:

Yea. I think by fan mass alone, Finns SHOULD be in-game
in some form, somehow :)

Just not as pure Finn alone, but the idea of a repainted
T34 for OstHeer is yummy (and easy to do!) enough, no? :)

Perhaps they should act as an equivalent to Soviet partisans.

Italians = ostheer version of conscripts.
Crappy and used as cannon fodder(like in real life)  ;D