Ostheer proposal n° 02854

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The Ostheer

Concept
As already mentioned you can compare this Ostheer with the Commonwealth and Red Army. There're various reasons to do so, to mention just a few, e.g. the OH doesn't have any HMG but instead a better mortar, furthermore no global veterancy, tough infantry (without mobility-penalty!) and effective field artillery in form of the LeFH 18. It's also worth to mention their mobile field-HQ-truck.
In return, the OH can't use all of their units at the same time but rather have to concentrate on a special type (→ Unit pools).

Unit pools
Most base structures of the Ostheer can't produce units until they're "upgraded" with one unit pool. In order to do so, you've to invest resources and time in the appropiate upgrade.
There're two unit pools for each of those buildings.
The building upgrade can allways be changed (assumed you've enough resources), however only one unit pool can be used at the same time.

Veterancy
(Based on Herostrato's veterancy suggestion.)
Note: Not all OH-units are able to gain veterancy!
Ostheer-Veterancy doesn't increase the HP or accuracy of the unit but rather allowing the player to choose an upgrade resulting in making the unit "stronger" but in a more special way.
Therefore, veterancy allows the player to indiviual upgrade his battle-hardened unit.
Both infantry and tanks can achieve a max of three states of veterancy. The infantry-veterancy differs from unit to unit while tanks all share the same veterancy-type:
(Tanks which can gain veterancy are: PzKpfW. III, StuG III, PzKpfW. IV, JgdPz. IV, "Panther", "Tiger", "Elefant" and "Brummbär")

• Vet I - Tank Commander (Increases sight. OH tanks don't have a turret-top-MG, except StuG III.)


• Vet II - "Use Nebelkerzen" (Foggrenades are fired upon the tank) OR "Max Speed" (Tank drives noticeable faster for a short period of time.)


• Vet III - Sideskirts ("Elefant": Hull-MG, "Tiger": "Selfrepair") OR "Stationary Firebase" (driver helps reloading the main gun, resulting in a higher RoF but the tank is immobilized)

Reward Units
The Ostheer also offers Reward Units like the vCoH-factions. They're unlocked by successfully completing the campaigns.

• LT vz 38 - (Replaces PzKpfW. III) This czech tank was after the invasion of Czechoslovakia adopted by the German Army under the desination "PzKpfW. 38(t)" and also given to its eastern allies like Romania and Bulgaria. [300mp 45f 6p] X


• JgdPz. IV - (Replaces PzKpfW. IV) Effective tank-destroyer based on the Panzer IV and armed with the 7.5 cm PaK 39 L/48. [350mp 80f 8p] ✔


• StuPz. IV "Brummbär" - (Replaces leFH 18 18/40) Armored artillery unit with short range. Capable to penetrate armour to a certain extend. [500mp 75f 10p] ✔

Captured weapons - Beutewaffen
The Ostheer isn't able to use heavy weapons of the Red Army or recrew own equipment.
Maybe later in the war, when the Oberkommando has figured out how to pick them up, German soldiers will be able to use the soviet crap to defeat the communists with their own weapons. (Meaning that as long as the Developers haven't fixed the picking-up and recrewing bug for new factions, the Ostheer can't do so.)

Artillery tractor - Artillerieschlepper
Heavy cannons (FlaK C/36, PaK 40, LeFH 18) of the Ostheer can be attached to artillery tractors (RSO, SdKfz. 251). They're now being carried by the tractors and therefore quicker to move.
Once uncuppled, the guns are ready for combat.

Sectorprotection - Sektorensicherung
The Ostheer secures resources by dominance: The more soldiers are in a territory, the more resources will be produced. Of course there is a limit, due to balance-reasons.
This is mainly a tribute to the Partisans, because it was easier to sabotage the supply-lines when the Germans weren't represented in this place.

Starting unit
Since the Wehrmacht rolled up large parts of weastern USSR in the first days of war, this "Blitzkrieg"-strategy is also represented in my concept.
Therefore, the Ostheer starts with a Landserzug. This unit is powerfull (→ Vet 2 Grens!), however, this strong start is followed by a stage, where the OH is very vulnerable due to high MP and fuel costs for further units.



Units & Buildings

HQ  of the Ostheer
UNITS:

• Pioneers - 4 soldiers armed with 4x Kar98k. Abilities: Plant bursting charge (needs upgrade "Expert Pioneers"), Detect mine (needs upgrade "Expert Pioneers"), Repair. [240mp 4p] ✔
  Can build:
  
  • Mainstructures (Inf Camp → Support Camp → Heavy Camp)
  
  
  • Sandbags
  
  
  • Barbed wire
  
  
  • Czech hedgehog


• Kübelwagen - Fast recon vehicle. Unarmed. [220mp 2p] ✔


• Raupenschlepper Ost - The RSO can carry up to 6 soldiers / 1 squad. [200mp 2p] X


• Mobile HQ - This SdKfz. 11 carries all stuff with it, to build up a forward support base. Ability: Build up (Similiar to the British HQ-Trucks. When built up, it can reinforce soldiers and repair vehicles within a certain range around the SdKfz.) / Mobilize (Break down the forward camp. The halftrack is now movable.) [350mp 4p] ✔

UPGRADES:

• Expert Pioneers - Pioneers are upgraded with Frankfurt 42 Mine Detector and also have the ability to plant charges to destroy bridges and other structures. [100m]


• Armed Reconnaisance - Kübelwagen are outfitted with a MG34 machine gun. [100m]


• Men against Tanks! - Unlocks ability "Fire Panzerfaust". [150m]


• Medic Center - The HQ and the Mobile HQ are now able to heal nearby infantry units. [200m]

Infantry Camp
UNITS:

• Landserzug - (Grenadier squad) 6 soldiers armed with 6x Kar98k. Strong and deadly standard-infantry  but more expensive than WH or PE inf.
  Ability: Fire Panzerfaust (needs upgrade "Men against Tanks!"). [400mp 6p] ✔
  Veterancy:
  
  • Vet I - "Throw grenade" OR "Throw Brandflasche" (vs tanks, chance to destroy the engine)
  
  
  • Vet II - Feldwebel (One man is replaced by a Feldwebel armed with a MP40, who influences the battleperformance.)
  
  
  • Vet III - MG34 OR FmW35


• Mörser-Trupp - 4 soldiers armed with 1x 12cm GrW42, 2x Kar98k. [375mp 4p] ✔
  Veterancy:
  
  
  
  • Vet I - "Fire smoke-grenade" OR "Fire incendiary round"
  
  
  • Vet II - Recon Officer (Call in one soldier armed with Kar98k. Abilities: Camouflage, Sniper Shot)
  
  
  • Vet III - "Extented range" (mortar range increased) OR MP40 (Kar98k are replaced by MPs, so  the squad can defend its position)
  
  

Support Weapons Camp:
MOTOR POOL:

• SdKfz. 251 - Troop-carrier armed with a MG42. Can transport up to 12 soldiers / 3 squads. [220mp 20f 4p] ✔


• PzKpfW. III Ausf. F - Medium tank from the early stage of war armed with a 3.7cm KwK 36 L/46.5. Inferior to the russian T-34. [300mp 40f 6p] X

GUN POOL:

• 7.5cm PaK 40 - 4 soldiers crew a PaK 40, the standard anti-tank gun used by the Wehrmacht. This cannon can destroy T34's and also penetrate most of the heavy soviet armor. (PaK 40 can't camouflage, but does higher damage than the PaK 38.)[350mp 20f 4p] X


• 2cm FlaK 38 - 4 soldiers armed with Kar98k and crew one FlaK L/65 C/38. Ability: Abprotzen (Crew directs gun into fireposition and thus is no longer able to move the gun,  but its accuracy is clearly better) / Aufprotzen (Gun is now mobile). (The FlaK is able to fire during movement, but with low accuracy.) [300mp 20f 4p] X

Heavy Weapons Camp:
TANK POOL:

• PzKpfW. IV Ausf. H - Main battle-tank of the OH. Armed with the 7.5cm KwK 40 L/48. [420mp 70f 8p] ✔
• PzKpfW. V "Panther" - Propably the best medium tank of WWII! [600mp 100f 12p] ✔

ARTILLERY POOL:

• StuG III Ausf. G - Most produced German "tank" of the war (→ lowpriced!). The 7.5cm StuK 40 L/48 is able to penetrate the armor of the feared soviet T-34. [350mp 50f 6p] X


• leFH 18 18/40 - This 105mm howitzer is mounted on the carriage of the PaK 40. Crewed by 6 soldiers. Can only be moved by RSO and HT! Abilities: Smokegrenade (fires a salvo of smokegrenades), Direct Fire (the leFh18 fires directly on targets like a tank!). [500mp 75f 10p] X

Doctrins

Army Group North- Heeresgruppe Nord

Airforcemission - Luftwaffeneinsatz:

1. Reconnaisance plane - A Fieseler Fi156 "Storch" flies over the selected area detecting enemy units in this territory. [1cp 50m]X


2. Luftversorgung - An air supply plane Ju 52/3m drops two containers with ammunition, fuel and LMG34s.[2cp 200mp]


3. StuKa Attack - A Ju 87 "Sturzkampfbomber" attack the targeted area/vehicle with a precision airstrike (one single heavy bomb). Very effective against enemy tanks and structures! [3cp 100m] X

Finnish Support Groups - Finnische Unterstützungskräfte

• German armament supply - Ability "Fire Panzerfaust" cost nothing for a certain amount of time. [1cp 100m]


• Finnish Jäger Troops - Call in a squad of 4 elite soldiers armed with 4x Suomi M/1931 SMGs. Ability: Fire Panzerfaust (needs upgrade "Men against Tanks!"). [3cp 400mp 4p] X
  Veterancy:
  
  • Vet I - "Throw grenade" OR "Throw Molotov" (aka "Brandflasche" → AT!)
  
  
  • Vet II - "Camouflage" (Similiar to the Stormtrooper's ability) OR "Sprint"
  
  
  • Vet III - Lahti-Saloranta M/26


• Finnish tank battlegroup - Call in one BT-42 (finnish assault gun based on captured russian BT-7 tanks) and one StuG III. [3cp 800mp 16p] X

Army Group Centre - Heeresgruppe Mitte

Tank battle - Panzerschlacht:

• Focus on armoured combat! - All newly produced tanks have now already Vet I, but in exchange the "ARTILLERY POOL" and the "GUN POOL" are getting locked. [2cp]


• Panzergranate 40 - Adds ability to tanks: Load Panzergranate 40 - For a short period of time, the damage against tanks is increased dramaticly. ]2cp]


• Heavy tank destroyer - (Schwerer Panzerjäger) Call in a heavy tankdestroyer JgdPz. "Tiger" (P) "Elefant". This tank is armed with teh 8.8cm StuK 43/1 L/71. Only one "Elefant" is allowed at the same time! [4cp 800mp 180f 14p] ✔

7th Panzer Division:

• Ghost Division - All tanks with Vet I are being camouflagged if not moving for a certain amount of time. [1cp 150m]


• Allways around! - Tanks camouflagged by the "Ghost Division"-ability (→ requires Vet I) can now also move, though not very fast, while hidden. [2cp 50m]


• PzKpfW. VI "Tiger" - Call in a heavy PzKpfW. VI "Tiger". Only one "Tiger" is allowed at the same time! [4cp 900m 200f 14p] ✔

Army Group South- Heeresgruppe Süd

Fortress groups - Festungsverbände:

• Fortresstroups - ( Festungtruppen) All units behind green cover gain additional bonus (e.g. it's harder to suppress this unit etc.). [1cp]


• Resource-exploitation - (Rohstoffausbeutung) For a short periode of time more resources are produced. However, after the boost the resource-production is temporarily decreased. [2cp 200m]


• Entrenched positions - (Befestigte Stellungen) Pioneers are now able to build heavy defences:
  
  • Trenches [2cp] ✔
  
  
  • MG-nest [i](British MG-Nest with German decals) [2cp 250mp] ✔
  
  
  • Anti-tank bunker (Small earth/wooden bunker with a 3.7cm PaK 36 "Heeresanklopfgerät".) [2cp 250mp] X

Eastern Satellites - Östliche Gefolgschaft:

• Knüppeldamm - All units move with maximum speed in landscape or on streets for a longer period of time. Only active in own territory! [1cp 150m]


• Croatian Volunteers - Infiltrate a squad of allied Croatian soldiers (like the FJ-infiltration). 6 soldiers armed with german and captured russian weaponry. [2cp 280mp 6p] X


• HiWis - The Croatian Volunteers are also excellent workers! They're now able to construct concrete emplacements and light defensives:
  
  
  
  • Sandbags [2cp]
  
  
  • Barbed wire [2cp]
  
  
  • First-aid Bunker (Functions like the WH-Bunker with "Aid-Station"-upgrade. Player will receive a squad of Landsers after 6 casualties have been returned to the Bunker. Can be garrisoned.) [2cp 200mp 20f] ✔
  
  
  • Ostturm [2cp 350mp 20f 6p] ✔

Last edited January 19, 2010 at 11:42 AM by Aouch

Lord wrote:
One problem: GERMAN Ostheer; no Toldi Tank or Chetniks.
DEVs haven't really started working on the Ostheer, and some could imagine adding units from satellite states. So what's the problem?  ;)
And there are some point i dont understand.
- Why should i call in a Panzer 38 t at the Heeresgruppe Mitte? When i have enough EP to activate this unit i think that i will have already the possibility to build better tanks from the HQ of the Panzertruppen.
Cause it's cheap.  ;D No, I've really no idea why I've added this tank at the end of the doctrine-tree.  ???
- Why do you change the recon tank Panzer II Ausf. L Luchs against the Panzer II Ausf. C.?
Marder II (SdKfz. 131, that with the PaK40, not the captured russian one) is based on the PzKpfW. C. Additionally, in one thread, I think it was BurroDiablo mentioned some good points why having the C-variant instead of the L-"Luchs".

Last edited November 14, 2009 at 4:46 PM by MrScruff

Last edited November 14, 2009 at 5:19 PM by Aouch

Last edited November 16, 2009 at 12:55 AM by Voop_Bakon

Last edited November 16, 2009 at 7:04 AM by Loupblanc

Voop_Bakon wrote:
That post is waaaaay to long

Last edited November 18, 2009 at 5:51 AM by Loupblanc

Last edited November 20, 2009 at 11:30 PM by ford_prefect

Loupblanc wrote:

Hey,I can make 'em short too :)

NEW CONCEPT

[b]OLD CONCEPT:
Techtree:

Doctrins: 

Not used units: (Propably for campaign-use)


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• Mörser-Trupp - 4 soldiers armed with 1x 8cm GrW34, 2x Kar98k. [375mp 4p] ✔
  Veterancy:
  
  
  
  • Vet 1 - "Build sandbag-position"
  
  
  • Vet 2 - 2x MP40
  
  
  • Vet 3 - "Fire smoke-grenade" OR "Fire incendiary round"
  
  


• 3.7cm PaK 36 - 4 soldiers crew this light AT-gun named "Heeresanklopfgerät", due to its inability to penetrate thick armor. [275mp 4p] X
  Veterancy:
  
  
  
  • Vet 1 - "Focused firing" (breakes the tread to immobilize enemy vehicle)
  
  
  • Vet 2 - 2x MP40
  
  
  • Vet 3 - "Camouflage" OR "Load Stielgranate 41"


• SdKfz. 251 - Troop-carrier armed with a MG34. Can transport 12 soldiers / 3 squads. [220mp 20f 4p] ✔


• SdKfz. 11 - Halftrack used as troop-transporter, artillery tractor and also as chassis for the SdKfz. 251. Can carry 12 soldiers / 3 squads [200mp 2p] X


• Raupenschlepper Ost - The RSO functions as a forward camp (→ mobile HQ). Ability: "Build up" (Similiar to British HQ-Trucks. When built up, RSO can reinforce soldiers and repair vehicles within a certain range around the SdKfz.) / "Mobilize" (Break down the forward camp. RSO is now movable.)  [350mp 20f 4p] X


• Mobile HQ - This SdKfz. 11 carries all stuff with it, to build up a forward support base. Ability: Build up (Similiar to the British HQ-Trucks. When built up, it can reinforce soldiers and repair vehicles within a certain range around the SdKfz.) / Mobilize (Break down the forward camp. The halftrack is now movable.) ✔


• Kübelwagen - Fast recon vehicle. Unarmed. [220mp 2p] ✔


• Gebirgsjäger - 4 elite soldiers armed with 4x Kar98k. Can later get either AT (2x PzB39) or AI (→ sniper) capabilities. Ability: "Use binocular". [400mp 4p] X
  Veterancy:
  
  
  
  • Vet 1 - "Throw grenade" OR "Fire Panzerfaust"
  
  
  • Vet 2 - Feldwebel
  
  
  • Vet 3 - 2x PzB39 OR Zf. Kar98k


• MG-Trupp - 4 soldiers armed with 3x Kar98k, 1x HMG34. ✔


• Heavy Panzergrenadiere - 4 elite soldiers armed with 2x G43, 2x StG.44. Ability: Plant Hafthohlladung (needs upgrade "Men against Tanks!"). ✔
  Veterancy:
  
  • Vet I - Panzerschreck
  
  
  • Vet II - "Grenadeshower" OR "Engineattack" (the engine of the attacked tank is destroyed with Panzerschreck)
  
  
  • Vet III - "Sprint" OR "Heroic Charge" ("Heldenmut"; temporarily unsuppressable)


• PzKpfW. II Ausf. C - Light tank armed with a 2cm KwK 30 L/55 and a MG. X


• PzKpfW. III Ausf. J - Improved Version of the PzKpfW. III. Comes with better armour and the 5cm KwK 38 L/42 X


• SdKfz. 124 "Wespe" - This self-propelled artillery unit has a 10.5 cm leFH 18M L/28 attached on PzKpfW. II. X


• PzKpfW. 38(t) - (Replaces PzKpfW. III Ausf. E) This czech tank was after the invasion of Czechoslovakia adopted by the Wehrmacht and also given to its eastern allies like Romania and Bulgaria. [300mp 45f 6p] X


• JgdPz. 38(t) "Marder III" - (Replaces "Marder II") Effective tank-destroyer based on the Pz 38(t) and armed with a captured russian 7.62 cm PaK 36(r). [400mp 40f 8p] ✔


• PzKpfW. VI "Tiger" - (Replaces "Elefant") Call in a heavy "Tiger"-tank. [800mp 180f 12p] ✔


• StuPz. IV "Brummbär" - (Replaces leFH 18 18/40) Armored artillery unit with short range. Capable to penetrate armour to a certain extend. [500mp 75f 10p] ✔


• PzKpfW. IV Ausf. E - Main battle-tank of the OH. Armed with the short 7.5cm KwK 37 L/24 and therefore not really effective against heavy soviet armor. [400mp 80f 8p] ✔





OLD CONCEPT:
Techtree:

Doctrins: 

Last edited February 18, 2010 at 10:13 AM by Aouch

QuoteMechanics are already there, from PE vet system :)

• Of course tank vet 2 "has" a choice.  ???


• @ PE Mechanics: Oh, that you've meant. I thought at PE repair pioneers, who don't exist...  ;)


• "Wespe" is actually on the Pz 2 chasis. If you had read my proposal, you would know.

QuoteI don't mind that
they have different functions. After all, the Pz4IF/Hotchkiss
PE swap is exactly that, isn't it? Same for Wehr Stug/Marder

Last edited December 4, 2009 at 11:55 PM by Aouch

QuoteIt'd kill USA no?

Last edited December 6, 2009 at 2:31 PM by Aouch

QuoteAs what should it replace, the Pz2 ? Well, Puma of course ;)

Last edited December 8, 2009 at 12:50 AM by Loupblanc

Loupblanc wrote:
- Hmmm, but it's a jawbreaker :p USA - Early advantage.
Germans having better early/middle advantage than USA =
autowin ;p

And 57 mm aren't hard to run circles around :)
Especially a unit with a turret!!!!
- Well reward unit for OE. Since no modif of vanilla factions
Right? :)

Loupblanc wrote:

Yea but his ostheer has huge early/early-middle advantage ;)
And Soviets being even slower than Wehr in early game...
It's an uber auto win :)

Last edited December 11, 2009 at 8:41 AM by Aouch

Loupblanc wrote:
LOL! I love that Panzer smilies icon! LOL WTF? Where did
you get that thing? :)