Kalach (3v3)

wow really the biggest map testing ever made for a map in EF history lol.

Good work guys!!! esp. Maxi for his wizard mapping skills  ;D

One big mistake. The low mun point (sector around the castle) belongs to the other side of the river next to the players that start next to each other.

Sector should look like this then: (i didnt update any other sectors so don´t be irritated)

Last edited August 13, 2011 at 2:39 PM by Killar

That would give South starting positions 2 undeniable +5 muni points compared to just the one in the North. The way I did the sector layout was so that each side had paired resource points. It's assymetrical but balanced for each side and with the likely attack patterns of the teams. True, that point could be moved to be more on par with it's partner but not to there IMO. Maybe just rotate it around to be on the NW facing of the castle?

Last edited August 13, 2011 at 3:28 PM by GodlikeDennis

Could you please come to a final solution and tell me when you're able to play?  ;)

Hmm I think it's ok how it is. We can work out another position for that muni point another time. I can play now if we start within 2 hours or we can work out another time another day.

In my mind, possible locations for that muni point are either, NW of the castle (rotated around), just east of the West VP or just below the +5 fuel point and VP in the middle.

I think you were a little wrong about how the sectors correspond, Dennis.
Like you can see in the picture below, the outer munition points are both cut by a strategical point and more or less unreachable for the enemy. If you would want to change that, you would have to change it for both sides so IMO that's fine.
Whilst the outer munition points accord, both inner do the same.

Hmm I don't think so. I placed those side +5 points to be the angle of approach from a likely attack towards VPs from the double +10s on each side. Red shows what I mean. Blue shows my suggested locations to move the (currently) castle +5 muni point to.

Ok, I see what you mean. I would move it to the island most likely.

Edit:

That should be a good solution. The player starting alone has now no access to a +5mun point, he has to go for the blue one. The other two players of each team have now access to the red +5mun point, cut by a stratpoint.

Last edited August 13, 2011 at 4:40 PM by MaxiKing6

Damn. It's a pity that we can't do replays on custom maps because we just played a pretty intense game.

What was the result of it?

God dammit, I love this map and was absent for 2 days! D:

MaxiKing6 wrote:
What was the result of it?

The result was Dennis, DzerzianPl, and one other mate (whos name i forgot), kicked my ass (especially me, I sucked hard), Killars ass, and 1 Experts comps ass.

Then again it was a very nice game.

As for my opinion for the map, I like the way the points are positioned, particularly the center one, makes something worth fighting for. Its a very fair map and balanced map.

Comps are senseless. In 1.4 they will spam their units and even with new fixes I believe they fail to micro. Instead of retreating things like HMGs being flanked, they just draw them back a little. There may be 2 snipers and a flame squad and it won't retreat...will just try to fall back lol

Wasn't really my decision to make, our mate had to go before we could really get it going (we had some problems before the actual game, which we found out was due to one of us (no finger pointing) not having the updated map beta)

I felt that the fighting encompassed all 3 fronts a bit better now (those being East fields, middle town crossings and West Island). There was much more action in the factory and main town area. The VPs are set in a much better area now and they changed hands quite a few times. It was quite a long game and the VPs were reasonably close.

I had a few pathfinding issues with my Ostwinds in the factory areas. Mostly the area where all the tractors are stacked up and also on the NE facing of the building they are sitting next to.

That com was a bitch. He was spamming sturmovie. Those things are just so fucking resilient in this patch... I'm glad we nerfed them. He also had a KV-2 permanently parked in middle guarding the center VP.

The crater you added on the intersection in the middle helped greatly with the infantry battles early on. We had some cool engagements there.

There was a lot of IL-2 spam. My Ostwinds kept shooting them down too which only made it worse since the planes kept crashing into our forces. I had to attack ground with my Osts whenever you did the mass IL-2 strikes.

GodlikeDennis wrote:
I had a few pathfinding issues with my Ostwinds in the factory areas. Mostly the area where all the tractors are stacked up and also on the NE facing of the building they are sitting next to.

So after I correct this I can finally declare it as final? :P

Pretty much yeah. The quality of the engagements in the center area was far higher than before. I think the pathfinding issues and whatnot in the factory area are the last issues.

IL2 SPAM, my favorite move (truthfully I'm a bit surprised that i had enough muni to pull it off 4 or 5 times in a VP game)

Ya the fighting was quite intense, except in one place, which would be over the bridges. Those things were barricaded and left that way till about 2 mins before we lost, when somebody decided to flank us with Vet3 Flamer Pios and MGs.

Wonder who that was :P...

KCH too.

Beta 8 should be final, changes:

- Moved +5 munition point from the alone southern base to the paired southern bases

- Improved pathfinding on the factory area

If anyone has a proper loading screen, that would be great. Otherwise I will have to take one. Thanks for testing, guys.

Progress Report No. 13 - Kalach Final

Ladies and Gentlemen, Fanboys and Fangirls,
the day you all have been waiting for since your birth has finally come. After intesive hours, even days of testing, Kalach has become finally Final. Thanks to cephalos for the great map, Dennis, Cranial, Burro, Killar, evilSpike, TheDzierzanPL, neosdark and cephalos (sorry if I forgot someone) for testing and the Eastern Front team for this great mod.
This download is for those of you, who either don't play EF (shame on you!) or can't wait for 1.5 to play the map.
Anyway, enough the words. Enjoy your game!

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TacMap

Kalach Final: :D

^Heh heh, yours is better....

Fangirls?!? Where?!?

New loading screen.... I don't like it. It would looks better if there would be IS 3. I think that old one was better.

And i hope that is real final, my friends shout at me, that they have to download new version :P.

TheDzierzanPL wrote:
Fangirls?!? Where?!?

New loading screen.... I don't like it. It would looks better if there would be IS 3. I think that old one was better.

And i hope that is real final, my friends shout at me, that they have to download new version :P.

you can believe me
the old one dosnt fit any longer :D

TheDzierzanPL wrote:
Fangirls?!? Where?!?

Dunno, I just forced myself to be politically correct :P

TheDzierzanPL wrote:
New loading screen.... I don't like it. It would looks better if there would be IS 3.

Due to this being a promotional picture that is to represent the actual historical correctness, I didn't take a shot of an IS-3 because it was neither planned nor produced in 1942 (read Kalach's description once you have the new patch) plus KVs are much cooler. I wouldn't take a screen of a KT either because it's big, badass or cool, the vehicle needs to fir the map and that is what KVs actually do, however that's a matter of personal opinion.

evilSpike wrote:

TheDzierzanPL wrote:
I think that old one was better.

you can believe me
the old one doesn't fit any longer :D

+1

It's outdated due to the removal of ZiS-3 and the various changes I did to the hill.

TheDzierzanPL wrote:
And i hope that is real final, my friends shout at me, that they have to download new version :P.

I promise, it's really final. Remember that a good map needs its time..

MaxiKing6 wrote:

TheDzierzanPL wrote:
And i hope that is real final, my friends shout at me, that they have to download new version :P.

I promise, it's really final. Remember that a good map needs its time..

We tested it so many times. Its ok how it is now

Killar wrote:

MaxiKing6 wrote:

TheDzierzanPL wrote:
And i hope that is real final, my friends shout at me, that they have to download new version :P.

I promise, it's really final. Remember that a good map needs its time..

We tested it so many times. Its ok how it is now

OK? I hope it's near to perfect, considering how many hours we've spend to reach our goal ;)

MaxiKing6 wrote:

Killar wrote:

MaxiKing6 wrote:

TheDzierzanPL wrote:
And i hope that is real final, my friends shout at me, that they have to download new version :P.

I promise, it's really final. Remember that a good map needs its time..

We tested it so many times. Its ok how it is now

OK? I hope it's near to perfect, considering how many hours we've spend to reach our goal ;)

+1 me either. Though I'm back from long trip around Southern Poland and I have an idea growing in my mind... I guess I'll begin today :)

cephalos wrote:
Though I'm back from long trip around Southern Poland and I have an idea growing in my mind... I guess I'll begin today :)

Yaayy! :D

Played this one Co-op for the first time last night, it was really great for it, loads of cool places to attack/defend. Loved holding the castle behind enemy lines with a mix of Airborne, Commandos and Partisans. Also the most realistic looking winter map I've ever seen. If you guys do another shoutcast it should be on this map, Rus/Rus/RMC.

Nice that you like it, cephalos did a great job with that winter atmosphere. You will be even more happy when I say that I currently work on making the map more balanced, I follow the suggestions of evilSpike, one of our balancers.

yeah, Maxi is now responsible for all changes made. Also balancing team consisting many skilled players has also taken a part and helped in balancing the map. Next winter map should be done soon, as soon as I get over with my exams.

brilliant map guys love playing on it ;D

You will love Kalach 2.0 :)

^-^ 0o
I can't believe you are still working on this map. I have done several matches on it and it was flawless I thought.

Work more on lehter banhof!

Its cropped area needs to be enlarged towards the hill with the castle, otherwise the map is one-side biased by the town being a shield of protection for one side more than for the other.

HerrVoss wrote:
Work more on lehter banhof!

I'm very ill at the moment and school needs me, so I focus on RL and getting well again first. Hope you understand that.

MaxiKing6 wrote:
I'm very ill at the moment and school needs me, so I focus on RL and getting well again first. Hope you understand that.

Hope you get well soon Maxi!

Of course I understand, plus I have no room to criticize anyone on how long they take on their project. This is a hobby after all, not a job.

Killar wrote:

MaxiKing6 wrote:
I'm very ill at the moment and school needs me, so I focus on RL and getting well again first. Hope you understand that.

Hope you get well soon Maxi!

Thank you.  :)

MaxiKing6 wrote:
Its cropped area needs to be enlarged towards the hill with the castle, otherwise the map is one-side biased by the town being a shield of protection for one side more than for the other.

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Nice one!

may i test it?

wow. my second beta map from you guys in 3 days and its awesome. thanks

Looks much better now thx maxi!

However we have to test it stil player vs player

Looks awesome, I'm going to check it out :)
Killar, how about a 2on2 + bots for testing? :P

So how do you rate the changes? Am I done with this or should I look into further improvements?

Sorry for this nerco post but I just wanted to say that this map is definitely done. Job well done.

Is the latest Kalach uploaded to sandy Maxi?

GodlikeDennis wrote:
Is the latest Kalach uploaded to sandy Maxi?

nope just checked