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walki1 wrote:
Somehow I feel that the new brits will be overpowerd.

I feel the same about Ostheer, but I'm sure that Reborn guys will lead the new brits to a good balance.

neosdark wrote:
A little unfair if they get the luxury guns with 100-round drums when they come out. :P.

I would like that to be an upgrade actually from M1A1 to the M1928-style model, with better accuracy at long range and a 50 round-drum. But lets save the Royal Marine upgrades till later.

Actually, the M1A1 would be the upgrade. The M1928 was the earlier model and had a few problems (like Drum magazine jamming) That is also why the M1A1 isn't compatible with a drum magazine, only strick magazines.
And the design for the M1A1 a whole was more refined, like better sights.

Anyway, how do you propose to release this as part of 1.30 when you can't finish the Ostheer?

Last edited December 9, 2010 at 8:49 PM by HyperSniper999

HyperSniper999 wrote:

neosdark wrote:
A little unfair if they get the luxury guns with 100-round drums when they come out. :P.

I would like that to be an upgrade actually from M1A1 to the M1928-style model, with better accuracy at long range and a 50 round-drum. But lets save the Royal Marine upgrades till later.

Actually, the M1A1 would be the upgrade. The M1928 was the earlier model and had a few problems (like Drum magazine jamming) That is also why the M1A1 isn't compatible with a drum magazine, only strick magazines.
And the design for the M1A1 a whole was more refined, like better sights.

Anyway, how do you propose to release this as part of 1.30 when you can't finish the Ostheer?

I don't know what this has to do with ostheer.

blackbishop wrote:

HyperSniper999 wrote:

neosdark wrote:
A little unfair if they get the luxury guns with 100-round drums when they come out. :P.

I would like that to be an upgrade actually from M1A1 to the M1928-style model, with better accuracy at long range and a 50 round-drum. But lets save the Royal Marine upgrades till later.

Actually, the M1A1 would be the upgrade. The M1928 was the earlier model and had a few problems (like Drum magazine jamming) That is also why the M1A1 isn't compatible with a drum magazine, only strick magazines.
And the design for the M1A1 a whole was more refined, like better sights.

Anyway, how do you propose to release this as part of 1.30 when you can't finish the Ostheer?

I don't know what this has to do with ostheer.

I thought 1.30 was going to be released on the OH's completion. So if the OH can't be released yet because of needing animators, then how will there be 1.30? That is, unless 1.30 will be just more Soviet tweaking and the British.

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HyperSniper999 wrote:
1.30 will be just more Soviet tweaking and the British.

I think, it will.

HyperSniper999 wrote:
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I thought 1.30 was going to be released on the OH's completion. So if the OH can't be released yet because of needing animators, then how will there be 1.30? That is, unless 1.30 will be just more Soviet tweaking and the British.

Who told you that? Afaik, devs haven't said that Ostheer was going to be released at 1.30. Just recrewing, tweaks on soviet's balance and new brits.

There's no ETA for Ostheer, but it's most likely that will be out on 2.00 than in 1.40, let alone 1.30.

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Just recrewing, tweaks on soviet's balance and new brits.

'Just'...ain't you lot greedy  ::)

We're not aiming for OP Brits, just better balanced,less on the knife edge and more importantly fun to play with/against

Zerstörer wrote:

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Just recrewing, tweaks on soviet's balance and new brits.

'Just'...ain't you lot greedy  ::)

We're not aiming for OP Brits, just better balanced,less on the knife edge and more importantly fun to play with/against

Sorry, I was confused. :-[

Zerstörer wrote:

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Just recrewing, tweaks on soviet's balance and new brits.

'Just'...ain't you lot greedy  ::)

We're not aiming for OP Brits, just better balanced,less on the knife edge and more importantly fun to play with/against

Yeah, sorry about that :-[.

Raider217 wrote:

EightMinds wrote:
Recon Element would be cooler if the rest of the squad were equiped with Stens.

I'm just sayin'.  ;)

However the "coolest" option isnt always the most balanced... unfortunately.

tompsons and stens arent very different what made comandos OP was the fact they had 6 stens and they were not all that worse than rangers with tommy guns so it could be a fesable option

What made them OP has always been the glider crush. They're really not that good and never have been.

they are good on a map with much bridges ;). They can plant explosives while the are invisible.

Really interested here, and just in time for the December break  ;D I haven't played Eastern Front in a long time (somewhere like 3 months) and I recently just thought of checking out the site only to be greeted by the news that there's gonna be a rehash of the British Forces.

A few questions though:

1.) So in essence the SAS are now the tier 2 infantry unit of the British Army? Effectively plugging the gap between uber powered vanilla Royal Commandos or will they function as having their own niche compared to commandos and the new Marine Commandos?

2.) If What I read is correct, activating this faction would not override doctrines so it would still be possible to encounter AI who would use, let's say,the Royal engineers or Royal Artillery?

My 2nd question is really the one that's piquing my interest right now. It would be reaaaallly awesome to play lightly armed, lightning fast units in support of artillery fire with my mates.  :D

Oh, and I await the coming of the Ostheer. By then, I wanna see how playing the SAS will end up with playing against my Axis-oriented co-players.

Cheers.

AI would behave as usual, but won't be using new brits.

So if someone who was using RMC were to drop from a game they would not leave a com in control?

GodlikeDennis wrote:
What made them OP has always been the glider crush. They're really not that good and never have been.

well they are not very good vs armor (unless you use PIAT blob) but the regular commandos were always great vs infantry ;)

GodlikeDennis wrote:
So if someone who was using RMC were to drop from a game they would not leave a com in control?

I meant, if the user plays a game with a AI from  the start. I don't know how works the AI, but imo yes; I think the AI should be tweaked to use the reward brits if the human player drops, because it's different than normal brits.

Wow, i'm impressed, a major revamp of the Brits has been long overdue!

If your thinking of running with this as a more long term idea might i suggest opening a new forum section for British suggestions?

I know i certainly have a couple of ideas i'd like to share!

One-eye wrote:
If your thinking of running with this as a more long term idea might i suggest opening a new forum section for British suggestions?

+1

Using this same setup couldnt you technically give two rewards units for a single unit, of course only using one at a time but using the whole 1 overriding the other thing?

One-eye wrote:
If your thinking of running with this as a more long term idea might i suggest opening a new forum section for British suggestions?

+1

Last edited December 11, 2010 at 9:42 AM by Raider217

So what are the SAS going to be capable of that sets them apart from Commandos? Is there a risk that they will preferred over them?

By the way, a thought occurred to me... If the SAS are going to be tier two infantry equipped with PIATs and Sappers are coming a tier earlier -- Why not give Marine Sappers Boys AT Rifles and let the SAS get the PIAT upgrade that normal Sappers get now? Because honestly, I think the early PIATs might be a little overpowered vs the Panzer Elite's early vehicles. But then this is purely theory crafting after all...

Last edited December 11, 2010 at 10:35 PM by ChocoboKnight88

ChocoboKnight88 wrote:
So what are the SAS going to be capable of that sets them apart from Commandos? Is there a risk that they will preferred over them?

By the way, a thought occurred to me... If the SAS are going to be tier two infantry equipped with PIATs and Sappers are coming a tier earlier -- Why not give Marine Sappers Boys AT Rifles and let the SAS get the PIAT upgrade that normal Sappers get now? Because honestly, I think the early PIATs might be a little overpowered vs the Panzer Elite's early vehicles. But then this is purely theory crafting after all...

Those PIATS damage could be toned down, but i would like to see Boys AT rifle being used on EF! Such a shame that Relic didn't put it on normal game.

I wouldn't want the PIATs to be toned down though for the sake of consistency. PIATs are finally useful now so they really ought to not be touched. That's why I suggested the Boys AT Rifles since it will have a good excuse to be in the normal game now.

I agree, give marine sappers the AT rifle instead.

This is great stuff Dev's, my hat goes off to all of you. This will definantly make brits more fun and competative and versitile that the vanilla faction.

GodlikeDennis wrote:
I agree, give marine sappers the AT rifle instead.

+1 Boys AT rifle rulez! 8)

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Last edited December 12, 2010 at 12:15 PM by Moonwalker

ChocoboKnight88 wrote:
If the SAS are going to be tier two infantry equipped with PIATs and Sappers are coming a tier earlier -- Why not give Marine Sappers Boys AT Rifles

Great idea, but I hope that BOYS will be more efective vs infantry than PTRD is now. Or make it cost less (50ammo).

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I think the early PIATs might be a little overpowered vs the Panzer Elite's early vehicles.

Just like early PE shrecks are OP vs British early vechicles right now? :D
PE have no problems with PTRD blobs. Earlier AT weapons (and Bofors, 17 pounders) will only decrease the possibility of British base raping. But noone will move their trucks anyway becouse they dont generate extra resources.

AT rifle is something we prefer to keep for the soviets to be honest.
Also, you have to understand that we don't really want to change the British stats too much to reduce the chance of imba all things considered.

Finally, you need to understand that with the RMC british do not enjoy the resource advantage they used to. Getting early piats for PE isn't really as easy or would probably be less beneficial than getting an SAS squad in bren carrier or some jeeps with recoiless rifles

I'm sure we'll discover what's best in time.

blackbishop wrote:

Truck lock down sectors, but do not gain additional resources unless an upgrade is researched.

when you say this i hope you really mean they gain resources like an American or German observation post ??? as opposed to the massive resources they to gain with upgrade...other wise you could be hampering them and giving massive concessions to axis because event PE can lock down points with scout cars though it is easy to take care of and, cost a little population and muni.

Last edited December 12, 2010 at 4:00 PM by sovietwarmachine

:) Looks good guys keep up the good work ;D

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wow gr8 :)

Sexy Jeep!  ;D

But PIAT+Bren Carrier scared me!  :-\

Those Recoiless rifle jeeps in the back are nice.

Zerstörer wrote:

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Just recrewing, tweaks on soviet's balance and new brits.

'Just'...ain't you lot greedy  ::)

We're not aiming for OP Brits, just better balanced,less on the knife edge and more importantly fun to play with/against

with / against?? being working as a reward unit will they be able to played against?? (AI controlled?)
or will this be posible after they replace the brits all together?

Last edited December 19, 2010 at 7:42 PM by mikronim

mikronim wrote:
with / against?? being working as a reward unit will they be able to played against?? (AI controlled?)
or will this be posible after they replace the brits all together?

with -> you choose them.
against -> your human opponent choose them.

Currently AI doesn't use them.

i can see players just spamming those jeeps it will be funny

Spamming might be a problem as dark matter said.

Seeme wrote:
Spamming might be a problem as dark matter said.

Spamming jeeps? :D
2 RR jeeps cost 450MP and Stug 1 shot kills them. You also cant see if both of them are slightly damaged or 1 of them is badly damaged. In mid game their as usefull (or useless) as Constripts when you have Strelky.

What Paciat said. They're fairly decent as a support unit but you really can't spam them and they're very vulnerable.

They Could Flank a Stug or another heavy tank though.

Seeme wrote:
They Could Flank a Stug or another heavy tank though.

And that is the point of them...


If some1 spams RR jeeps, just get some Shrecks out and problem solved.

If some1 spam Recon jeeps, just get some Pumas out and problem solved.

If some1 spam both types, I'd say Shrecks and AT guns - problem solved.

Alright. Though it is Expensive to get a 75 Muni Shrecks For some pesky jeeps.

75 munitions is the best way to go since using panzershrecks will be out of the question for against a squad of jeeps.

Hehe. PE ftw. They don't need ammo to build schrecks.

True but you need A LOT OF fuel before having those schrecks, and I prefer using this fuel to build some marders or any other tank.

nico97one wrote:
True but you need A LOT OF fuel before having those schrecks, and I prefer using this fuel to build some marders or any other tank.

because 55 fuel minimum is a lot to get shrecks for PE  ::)

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They seem like they'll be just as weak and worthless mid-game as the bren carriers and pumas.

Griptonix wrote:
They seem like they'll be just as weak and worthless mid-game as the bren carriers and pumas.

Pumas weak and worthless? In mid (not late) game?
I love using pumas as much as I hate fighting them. Cant say the same thing about BRENs and RR jeps. :(
Wehrmacht T1 T3 strat FTW!!!

Last edited December 28, 2010 at 6:12 PM by Paciat

Paciat wrote:

Griptonix wrote:
They seem like they'll be just as weak and worthless mid-game as the bren carriers and pumas.

Pumas weak and worthless? In mid (not late) game?
I love using pumas as much as I hate fighting them. Cant say the same thing about BRENs and RR jeps. :(
Wehrmacht T1 T3 strat FTW!!!

I meant the fact that there is either a MBT, anti-tank gun, or bazooka in mid to late game waiting for it whereas in early game none of these tend to make an appearance.