Mod plan: COH Chinese battlefield

Hey folk I have majorly updated the IJA doctrines to make it more incline to the defense-offensive-special formation.
Other update:
- The explosion use by NRA dare-die troop is clarified as concentrated charge grenade
- IJA's AT unit is upgradeable to the Type 94 37 mm quick-fire AT gun, similar to other deployable AT gun unit, but weaker and have a quicker fire rate. Can be affect by the "At gun modification" upgrade to perform a period of quick fire
- Kempeitai have their binocular ability canceled

I'll get right on setting up the IJA , so far I think it should be a copy of the WM faction since it seems that is the closest. (not direct copy , it will use WM building models and Doctrine basis.)

just wondering, but how about you set up a zetaboards forum for CBM? or .tk, no idea what os better. but they're free, i know that.

Could I try to skin the Whampos cadet unit?

please make this Ive always wanted China

blackbishop wrote:
Could I try to skin the  unit?

Thank you very much! I think the closest model for the Whampos cadet would be Grenadiers, such they both wear M35 helmets

Here's some information that may help:
Central Army summer uniform (Although uniform with long sleeve may be better)

Left to right: Private First Class, First level Private (rank between PFC and Private), Private, Military academic cadet

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Newbie. wrote:
just wondering, but how about you set up a zetaboards forum for CBM? or .tk, no idea what os better. but they're free, i know that.

Thanks
Can you provide a link?

Last edited June 21, 2010 at 8:57 AM by moknin

http://www.zetaboards.com/ i've made a few, i could help if wanted ;)

@moknin
Is the rifle I upload the second time the correct one? :P

Yes, it is.

blackbishop wrote:
@moknin
Is the rifle I upload the second time the correct one? :P

Yes thx
With that I have just complete the Hanyang 88 model
Rifle is really really difficult to model.......
How do you go with the Whampoa cadet?

Rifle model. Made by mokkin.

Newbie. wrote:
http://www.zetaboards.com/ i've made a few, i could help if wanted ;)

Thanks!!......but how to make new topic in the forum?
It would be good if it is to be orgaise into different board like this forum, say:

- 3D Model
- Texture
- 2D graphic art
- Coding
- Modding Tutorial
- General discussion
- General suggestion
- Suggestion for the National Revolutionary Army
- Suggestion for the Imperial Japanese Army
- Off topic, etc.....

argh. I'll try do a forum! :) I'll note down everything you want.

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http://s1.zetaboards.com/COH_China_MOD/index/

Will be changing to chinesebattlefield.tk soon.

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Newbie. wrote:


Rifle model. Made by mokkin.

I just finish the caption

The Type Hanyang, aka Hanyang 88 or "Old metal sleeve"(老套筒) was the mainstay service rifle for the Chinese armies for over half a century. Thats saying that the first shot for the Hsinhai Revolution, which led to the foundation of the Republic, was come from it. Yes, it was old, its still firing the 1800s round nose bullets, its crudely manufactured from a vast network of handmade workshops to outdated, bombout factories, and so it was unreliable, or maybe far worse than the 1888 made German Commission Rifle it based on, but when its reliable, its firepower was far greater than all Japanese rifles

Last edited June 21, 2010 at 5:57 PM by moknin

Forum sections done. Now i need people like banner makers, etc. and for .tk to send me a bloody ... thing!

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.tk's sent me a email, new URL: http://cohchinesebattlefield.tk/

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Newbie. wrote:
Forum sections done. Now i need people like banner makers, etc. and for .tk to send me a bloody ... thing!

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.tk's sent me a email, new URL: http://cohchinesebattlefield.tk/

banner? you mean like logo?
Yeah we need a 2D artist to make some kind of logo, unit/doctrinal icon as well (Dont tell everyone that I dont know how to use photoshop while studying visual arts ;D)

moknin wrote:

blackbishop wrote:
@moknin
Is the rifle I upload the second time the correct one? :P

Yes thx
With that I have just complete the Hanyang 88 model
Rifle is really really difficult to model.......
How do you go with the Whampoa cadet?

My adobe photoshop backup got corrupted and I just downloaded it. I'm going out of home for a couple of hours; when I come back I'll work on it I promise :-[.

Yes I made this whole night without sleep! and I place in so much details that one can really aim the model with its sight!

The Type 24 Chiang Kai-shek rifle was the second mainstay small arm of the National Revolutionary Army. Designed to replace the old Hanyang 88, it was based on the Model 24 Mauser Standard Model, the newest German design at the time which the then famous K-98k was based on. In fact there are only few differences between Type 24 and K-98k. While superior than its Japanese opposer in most aspects, it was too late to enter production and were issued to primarily the Central Army

Moknin , I have been really busy lately so I'll finish making the units for China , and than create the Japanese faction , but after that I can't help much. I won't be able to make the abilities for any units , but I can atleast set the ground for them.

Well after struggling with adobe photoshop, this is what I have:

I'm not pro and was my first time, as moknin suggested I use grenadiers, it's not finished of course I have to ged rid of that black piece on the neck and the "decals" (that's how I call the badges to identify the soldier rank).

This is a good idea, due to Pacific Thunder being on the primordial back burner.

Is Corsix or the Company of Heroes Modding Setup (http://www.moddb.com/mods/company-of-heroes-modern-combat/downloads/company-of-heroes-modding-setup) better for Modding?

I heard the latter is easier but not as precise.

the latter includes Corsix I believe , the complete modding setup ( which was posted on MC I believe , includes =
-corsix
-Attribute editor
-Object editor

blackbishop wrote:
Well after struggling with adobe photoshop, this is what I have:

I'm not pro and was my first time, as moknin suggested I use grenadiers, it's not finished of course I have to ged rid of that black piece on the neck and the "decals" (that's how I call the badges to identify the soldier rank).

Thats ok
Look like the result is still too......German. I dont think thats the problem of skin, but the model itself. Maybe we just need to do the model of Chinese/ Jaanese soldiers first

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Akalonor wrote:
Moknin , I have been really busy lately so I'll finish making the units for China , and than create the Japanese faction , but after that I can't help much. I won't be able to make the abilities for any units , but I can atleast set the ground for them.

Still thank you very much for the efforts you have already contributed. Actually the ideas of abilities is still not finalized so I or anyone else can handle it later

Last edited June 23, 2010 at 7:18 AM by moknin

blackbishop wrote:
Well after struggling with adobe photoshop, this is what I have:

I'm not pro and was my first time, as moknin suggested I use grenadiers, it's not finished of course I have to ged rid of that black piece on the neck and the "decals" (that's how I call the badges to identify the soldier rank).

perhaps a soldier with a cap would be better? say Volks

I think the Ford_priest is right , the helmet that they use is German and its very noticable, you could probably just modify the helmet and it will look fine.

lol... yes that's right, but I was talking about the clothes :P, I didn't know if the color was correct. The picture only had the uniform but nothing about the helmet :-X.

Ok, I could try with volks too ;D. In a few hours I'll try to upload the results :P.

EDIT:

Meanwhile you can talk with my Darth Maul-esque greandier 8).

Last edited June 23, 2010 at 9:11 PM by blackbishop

Actually both the helmets and caps the NRA used were either based on or brought from German.  So the head-wears are not issues (but maybe it should bear the ROC esemble?)



But the clothes are just so European, note the differences with the winter uniform that the grenadiers wear:

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blackbishop wrote:

OMG......What happened to you brother? Did the Jap pour acid on you for information?

Last edited June 23, 2010 at 9:18 PM by moknin

nice picture :P. I don't have a stable place to "work" but I'll do my best ;D.

ford_prefect wrote:

blackbishop wrote:
Well after struggling with adobe photoshop, this is what I have:

I'm not pro and was my first time, as moknin suggested I use grenadiers, it's not finished of course I have to ged rid of that black piece on the neck and the "decals" (that's how I call the badges to identify the soldier rank).

perhaps a soldier with a cap would be better? say Volks

OK now I will say while the headwear is not a problem, the clothes of the Volks is however more suitable in appearance with NRA Central Army uniform, see:


OK I should really go to sleep now......
Its 7:30 in the morning and I havent sleep for entire night

yes that too lol, I would say the same

Well, I listened to all of your suggestions and made this :D.


The headwear will be darker, and the decals are missing too :P. I'll do it tomorrow, I'm going to sleep now... 23:00.

EDIT:

I just have finished this:

Last edited June 24, 2010 at 9:30 PM by blackbishop

blackbishop wrote:
Well, I listened to all of your suggestions and made this :D.


The headwear will be darker, and the decals are missing too :P. I'll do it tomorrow, I'm going to sleep now... 23:00.

EDIT:

I just have finished this:

Great! At last that annoying Wehrmacht collar insignia is gone. Welcome to volunteer in the National Revolutionary Army! Private First Class von Wolfgang......Wait, aren't we supposed to be enemy? screw it anyway.........

i dont know if its a glitch but wts that?

That's because I forgot to color that place before posting :-X.

The ZB-26, or "Type Czech" as called by the Chinese, is the primary light machine gun employed in the NRA. While being the forerunner of the British Bren and, ironically, the Japanese Type 96/99, its larger caliber and reliability make it far superior than its descendants, not to mention its poorly designed opponent the Japanese Type 11. Although complex in production, it was nevertheless produced in the thousands by various Chinese factories and underground workshops. All in all while the Chinese wasn't able to design their own weapons, they at least copied from the bests and utilized them in the most effective way, but it didn't change the doomed situation China suffered in the entire war as those were their only advantages

In WW2,china soldiers all have on their legs,in chinese we call it "bangtui",which means leg wrappings.
That is a characteristics.

Last edited June 27, 2010 at 3:44 AM by 0207zw

0207zw wrote:
In WW2,china soldiers all have on their legs,in chinese we call it "bangtui",which means leg wrappings.
That is a characteristics.

Those are called Puttee in English

I think its possible to make it in skinning as well?

EDIT: Currently I'm working on the support team skin, but by now i'm watching the match on sudafrica Argentina vs Mexico... And the "glitch" of Wolfgang is no more :D.

Last edited June 27, 2010 at 6:28 PM by blackbishop

but he is still wearing his trademark "Gott mit Uns" beltbuckle xD

blackbishop wrote:


EDIT: Currently I'm working on the support team skin, but by now i'm watching the match on sudafrica Argentina vs Mexico... And the "glitch" of Wolfgang is no more :D.

Central Army picture, hopefully this time it would not screw up.....

Good work! Now he look much like a NRA soldier, although the belt/vest (staffs that tie around his chest) still indicate that Mr. Wolfgang is very homesick :) and the uniform itself......is it too green?

Also a chest insignia & arm insignia should be add as well


chest identification insignia and arm insignia, the chest insignia can actually be made vaguely (such the one above is for a liet. captain),but if you want detail I have made you one, wrote in my name :)


The annoying ammo box on the belt properly need to deal with by modeling, which is my job

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As for support team, I think it would be good if the support team crews are to be worn British style helmet and in blue uniform. See:

Last edited June 27, 2010 at 9:47 PM by moknin

Ok, I was planning to add the insignias as well, but I forget it... and also I'll do the same uniform for each soldier with their rank + 1, I don't know how CoH works(talking about runtime) but maybe when the troops earn vet they uniform can be replaced with the next one as i saw in your picture.



P.S. On the next time I'll fix the green one :P

EDIT: By the way, all this I'm doing modifying the existants units, till now I haven't created a new model, do you think it would be necessary to create new infantry models?

Last edited June 29, 2010 at 1:30 AM by blackbishop

blackbishop wrote:
Ok, I was planning to add the insignias as well, but I forget it... and also I'll do the same uniform for each soldier with their rank + 1, I don't know how CoH works(talking about runtime) but maybe when the troops earn vet they uniform can be replaced with the next one as i saw in your picture.

P.S. On the next time I'll fix the green one :P

EDIT: By the way, all this I'm doing modifying the existants units, till now I haven't created a new model, do you think it would be necessary to create new infantry models?

It would be necessary, but we could see first how would those new skins of existing models look like

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Meanwhile new weapons have been sent to the front-line!



Notice that I used significantly lower polygon than previous (810 polygon) because I just realize that are limits on polygons in game. Models published previously would be modified later. And no this model is not just a modification from existing Allies Maxims but completely new creation, as my ego can't stand just a modification :)

The Type 24 Heavy Machine Gun, or "Republic 24", was the most common used HMG in the NRA. Essentially a modified version of the WW1 German MG-08, it more than hold its own against the more advance Type 92 HMG used by the Japanese, despite itself is still a bulky water-cooled machine gun and is using unreliable canvas ammo belt. This would be the third (if include the Soviets fourth) Maxim gun employed by the Allies, despite ironically a German design

Last edited June 29, 2010 at 6:11 AM by moknin

I'm suprised the devs didn't crack down on this thread yet :D

Akalonor wrote:
I'm suprised the devs didn't crack down on this thread yet :D

Honestly, why would they? I am not stealing their men/ materials, and they are not interesting in the Far Eastern theater. No clash of interest, no crack down

Well, the support team is nearly finished, following the suggestions given I use Tommy's skin and this is the result:

Something has caught my eye so far, while the uniforms and such indeed looks Chinese, the faces themselves still look as European as can be. Is there a way to change this?
Cheers

Tico_1990 wrote:
Something has caught my eye so far, while the uniforms and such indeed looks Chinese, the faces themselves still look as European as can be. Is there a way to change this?
Cheers

This is why I refer to the model as PMC Wolfgang in the first place :)
Yes it can be deal with by modelling but it would be difficult, so we would deal with skinning first

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blackbishop wrote:
Well, the support team is nearly finished, following the suggestions given I use Tommy's skin and this is the result:

Real great........but the clothes can be bluer (or is it good enough?), and is the arm insignia still showing 88D? I can't zoom it in.
88D meant "88th Division", an elite force under the Central Army. Therefore while I would advise the 88D insignia for the elite Whampoa cadet, we may need to think another unit name for those ordinary trooper....... (or wait, if the player is commanding a company shouldn't that company itself belong to the 88D?)

Last edited June 29, 2010 at 6:25 PM by moknin

In WW2,china soldiers all have on their legs,in chinese we call it "bangtui",which means leg wrappings.
That is a characteristics.

moknin wrote:
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blackbishop wrote:
Well, the support team is nearly finished, following the suggestions given I use Tommy's skin and this is the result:

Real great........but the clothes can be bluer (or is it good enough?), and is the arm insignia still showing 88D? I can't zoom it in.
88D meant "88th Division", an elite force under the Central Army. Therefore while I would advise the 88D insignia for the elite Whampoa cadet, we may need to think another unit name for those ordinary trooper....... (or wait, if the player is commanding a company shouldn't that company itself belong to the 88D?)

Ok, I'll paint them more blue :D... I figure that 88D meant that but I forgot about the Elite troops part xD... well I'm going to remove it :P.

0207zw wrote:
In WW2,china soldiers all have on their legs,in chinese we call it "bangtui",which means leg wrappings.
That is a characteristics.

The Type Gong (both model and icon to throw) can actually use the Model 24 grenade, since they are nearly the same

About the second picture what book is it? I alway saw those military illustrations but never know what it came from...?

Blackbishop , I think its possible to edit their faces if you- open Corsix, convert the mesh to DDS , than open said DDS in paint.net or another program.