Tiger tanks being built out of Factorys

6 Panthers, 3 vet 3 Defensive 2 Vet 2 Defensive and 1 vet 1 Defensive..... yeah, you wanna talk about spam there ya go, the only time I lost a Panther is when I got surprised by a 152... it died quickly there after...

Personally I could quite happily have an Ostheer without Panthers, Tigers and Panzer IV's, make some room for things we havn't seen before n that.

But I think buildable Tigers would be an ok idea, provided they were weaker/slower than the Wehr one, and had a unit cap.

Call them "Tiger Ausf. H" or something to signify them as early war tigers, compared to the "Ausf. E" late war ones for the Wehr. Or something.

Cheers

Problem is that those were some of the coolest and best tanks the germans had. There isn't much after that.

Tiger's versions

They never even had a Prototype Tiger 3...

The Tiger saw action in the Eastern front for the first time during the battle of Prokhorovka/Kursk, and there were ALOT of them, however, they were all recalled by Hitler to Italy DURING the battle, and hence, the battle was lost for Germany. But really, they only saw action there, and slight "pockets" of them from then on...having 2 Tigers max would be a nice little present :)

yep.... Than as a teaser call them back to off map!!Haha

Akalonor wrote:
yep.... Than as a teaser call them back to off map!!Haha

xD

hgghg4 wrote:
They never even had a Prototype Tiger 3...

+1

It looks reminicent of the 'tank that must not be named'.

???Question for someone why cant the tiger have the same range and power as the 88 when its the same bloody thing except on tracks???????
OB3R

OB3R wrote:
???Question for someone why cant the tiger have the same range and power as the 88 when its the same bloody thing except on tracks???????
OB3R

Balance!

You know what...

I actually take back having Tigers being produced in factories, even with a limit. I kinda prefer them to be call-ins given there severely limited numbers in reality and their absence from the core of the army, normal Wehrmacht panzer divisions didn't have any. I see doctrinal call-ins as like independent/elite reserves that are to support the regular army (i.e. armed Waffen SS and independent Heavy Panzer Battalions), it is a role the Tiger obviously had and I actually think it should keep it in the Ostheer.

I know it'll be similar to the Wehrmacht method given it's a call-in, but the Ostheer Tiger I could be a Tiger belong to the SS, with benefits like perhaps extended view on all sides and ability to command tanks as I had demonstrated in my Ostheer concept.

Last edited March 26, 2010 at 10:07 PM by ScreamingStukas

I wouldn't call it "Severly" limited , I'd say relatively rare.

It was essentially what I like to call an "OH SHIT!" weapon. When Russians were threatening to overwhelm a sector, they call in the tiger company to fix that little "problem." Call in makes sense, like the PE panthers but much cheaper than the nerfed god forsaken wehrmacht tiger but defiantly not doctrinally constrained.

I've always called it the "pest infestation company"  ;D whenever my friends were feeling all high and mighty with some Shermans I just call in the pest infestation company

that would be a good idea nut the tigers should either have engine damage oy tracks destroyed because the tigers made later on in the war had lots of problems because of sabotage

The reason I think that the Tiger should be a doctrine unit is because the Germans didnt make that many of them, so it wouldnt have been easlily accessable.

However, I do think that whichever doctrine gets to call it in should be able to call in more than one, like maybe two or three.

comrade2012 wrote:
The reason I think that the Tiger should be a doctrine unit is because the Germans didnt make that many of them, so it wouldnt have been easlily accessable.

However, I do think that whichever doctrine gets to call it in should be able to call in more than one, like maybe two or three.

1350 Tigers. Thats as much as MarderIII or StugIV. Twice as more as all stubby PzIV. Much more than Ostwinds and Bergetigers.

Nobody said that it will be a spammable unit. Some say that there should be a limit of Tigers on the field, others say that it should be just more expensive (750-900MP/180-200Fuel).

There will also be a longer (more expensive) teching up to get a Tiger than to get a Soviet IS-2.

Finnaly youll build youre Tigers with 0 vet. No vet 3 call-ins will be possible.

pz4 = 6000 made...

except that I agree with you Paciat
2 tigers limit seems good

I'm saying that would be a good idea, but like Paciat, make it a limit. I'm thinking maybe 3 max?

Yea, the Germans made 1,354 Tigers, and like 6,000 Panthers. I dont know exactly how many Panzer IV's were made, but I know that it was more than Tigers. The Panzer IV came out earlier, and it was cheaper. 1,354 may sound like a big number, but it really isnt, because that was over the entire war. Many were destroyed or abandoned.

Last edited April 17, 2010 at 3:43 AM by comrade2012

To put a max.limit to Tiger would have sense only if the Tiger would be doctrinal unit. In whole CoH only doctrinal units have max.limit. Units produced from factories don't, except British Lieutenant, Captain and Command Cromwell.

The better would be don't put a max.limit but to make it less available. For example - as I suggest in my concept:

Quote- Tiger has "Progressive popcap" attribute, it means that first Tiger build has 14 popcap, next would have 16 and next 18 and so on representing the fact that Tiger was state of the art technology and it required high prestige to obtain more of them. If some Tiger is destroyed this Popcap will decrease too so the popcap limit could be then like this:
1 Tiger  14
2 Tigers 30
3 Tigers 48
4 Tigers 68
5 Tigers 90

I like wordsmith's idea, but maybe lower it a bit.

I get this feeling that if we didnt put a cap on Tigers, that AI's would make a lot of them. think about it, a bunch of Tigers would be unstopable!

It would be cool if you were the guy with all the Tigers, but when your the guy facing it, then your all of a sudden not be liking it as much.

Tigers can be killed by flanking, almost easily.

Akalonor wrote:
Tigers can be killed by flanking, almost easily.

And if you destroy/damage their engines, which is very easy to do with Tiger/King Tiger, you've got them screwed. Artillery can take care of it from there.

Akalonor wrote:
Tigers can be killed by flanking, almost easily.

King tigers can be killed like that, but not a smart Tiger-ass since this tank is simply to fast.

Cranialwizard wrote:
And if you destroy/damage their engines, which is very easy to do with Tiger/King Tiger, you've got them screwed. Artillery can take care of it from there.

True their engines brake down very easily, esecially the one of the KT.

But did you ever used artillery against these tanks? They are pretty much useless against a tiger and against a KT its just useless since art. pieces bonce off. Only off-map art. works fine against both.

Nevertheless there should be a limit on the tigers since its simply a hell machine. I made a big post about that some weeks ago, i could quote it here and you would understand that than, for sure.

Venoxxis wrote:

True their engines brake down very easily, esecially the one of the KT.

But did you ever used artillery against these tanks? They are pretty much useless against a tiger and against a KT its just useless since art. pieces bonce off. Only off-map art. works fine against both.

Nevertheless there should be a limit on the tigers since its simply a hell machine. I made a big post about that some weeks ago, i could quote it here and you would understand that than, for sure.

If your lucky, Mortars tend to damage and can destroy engines quite easily, provided you make a hit.

105s are good for Anti-Tigers.

The artillery firebase of the soviets is too inaccurate. But God of War could come in handy (:<

Soviet firebase can hit very well if you aim it right ;)

In my experience it has been rather inacurate. Its a little more accurate a close range, but by then you might as well just use the heavy-mortar.

Its not a question of aiming it right. Its a question of range and accuracy.

I beg to differ, I get great results out of the firebase when I need to.

Akalonor means that he's using Arty spotter ;) - Sniper team or Commander spot ability isn't it? Because the Soviet arty is more accurate if shooting somewhere where you can actually see...

But back to topic - Tiger could be build from factory and if it have appropriate cost I don't see why it shouldn't. You can't compare it to Wehr Tiger because Ostheer wouldn't be Wehr. It would have different veterancy and different cost. Because if Wehr player loses Tiger he just buy new one with same veterancy for 900MP so then it is pain in the ass because it is really cheap and quite hard to beat with vet3.

However I agree that it could be problem with PC skirmish when AI Ostheer have more resources... but it sure will not be problem when playing Basic match or Automatch i.e. vs humans.

Don´t know why you people are so enthusiastic about building tigers.

1. Main battle tank on eastern front was the Panzer IV not the tiger.

2. First coh used 2 Tigers as a call in but this option was reduced to one Tiger, because two Tigers were already too heavy

3. If you can build more than 2 Tigers out of factory you have to make them weaker than Wehr tiger because of balancing.

But that is crap!

Imagine you play as Ost your teammate as wehr and he has a better tank than you though you both use the same vehicle!

IN addition it isn´t historical. Can´t remember tiger´s used on the Eastern Front were weaker than on western front.


I think it would be better to have a Tiger battle group consisting of 2 Tigers as a call in, not as doctrinal.

As balancing i would make a high pop or/and you cannot use other tanks in your Ostheer if you choose to use a battlegroup

OR you can do this

890MP 150 Fuel 14 Pop Doctrinal Buildable Unit with a 2 Unit cap and doesn't vet but still as strong as Blitz Tiger vet 0


Guess what you solved the problems!

that wasn't so hard.... now was it?

hgghg4 wrote:
OR you can do this

890MP 150 Fuel 14 Pop Doctrinal Buildable Unit with a 2 Unit cap and doesn't vet but still as strong as Blitz Tiger vet 0


Guess what you solved the problems!

that wasn't so hard.... now was it?

Perfect yes. I guess this problem has already been solved in these forums. And i still think that the doctrinal buildable limited Tiger is the best idea at all.


But 700MP should actually be enough with that amout of fuel. But just if they are limited to 2.

Last edited April 22, 2010 at 2:16 PM by Venoxxis

wordsmith wrote:
Akalonor means that he's using Arty spotter ;) - Sniper team or Commander spot ability isn't it? Because the Soviet arty is more accurate if shooting somewhere where you can actually see...

No actually, I'm talking about the Firebase.

yea, I could see it being a doctrinal-buildable unit. thats how the king tiger was done im BotB mod.

And BK mod, except all tanks(except simple ones like Pz E ( , WW  , etc ) are like that, quite a pain to get panthers, but they are super in game, and their skins are shiny  ;D

Akalonor wrote:
No actually, I'm talking about the Firebase.

That's why I meant too - but to use some unit which can spot at longer distance. I have feeling that firebase shoots more precise if you order to fire somewhere where you can actually see on the map, in your unit's visual range. And commander has Spot ability, and Sniper team could increase the sight range with other Spot ability (then they don't move).

I dont care which way, Tigers are Tigers, Id prefer them be called in, but I can adapt.

HOWEVER, on a lighter note, you know what a great mod would be? Secret Weapons of WW2.

Battlefield 1942 had a cool "secret weapons" expansion. I can see that working for company of heroes. also, not all of the weapons would necessarily be "secret", some could just be "experimental" units, like the American M6 tank.

comrade2012 wrote:
Battlefield 1942 had a cool "secret weapons" expansion. I can see that working for company of heroes. also, not all of the weapons would necessarily be "secret", some could just be "experimental" units, like the American M6 tank.

Yep, I remember playing that expansion, thats what gave me the idea.

Germans with Jetpacks would be some cool shiznit.

BurroDiablo wrote:
Germans with Jetpacks would be some cool shiznit.

Lol Are Jetpacks even possible in CoH

Jetpacks? I thought thst even the modern ones were failures.

I would like the American T-28 tank superheavytank.

T-28 could be a US Jagdtiger, or a super heavy tank destroyer but only 2 were made.

I could have sworn that this topic was about Tigers...

Back on Topic, I don't see the harm in making Tigers a call-in unit, sorta like the Panther Battle Group,

1) Do something... build every building or whatever
2) Pay 500MP, 100Muni, 80Fuel, or whatever
3) 900MP, call-in, up to two tigers on the field,

see....simple

PS, If your opponent has 2 tigers on the field, that means they invested 1800Mp, and what have you been doing all this time?

 

Considerably, it depends on the player.

Considerably, it depends on how aggressive the opponent was/is.

Considerably, it's your territory that counts.

(Not to mention if there is an Instant MP ability like Blitzkrieg)

Considering all factors, the player could be trying to defend his own ass from tanks the opponent built ages ago.

You know often I use a similar strategy. I send in a couple of StuGs that I've had for about 4 minutes just waiting for true deployment, in the mean time I'm making Panzers/Panthers or Doctrinal Tigers.

It catches the opponent by surprise.

"HA! I GOT YOUR STUGS! TIME TO INVADE (:<"
"So you think."
"DUDE...HOW THE HELL DID YOU GET THE TIGER?"
"Skills.

beware of the Stug spam!!! BEWARE!!!!!!