A new faction for Eastern Front

For the USSR the Eastern Front was the Western Front. And Japs were on the Far Eastern Front

Hey those who have ideas for Japanese are also welcomed to left suggestion here
http://easternfront.org/forums/index.php?topic=3794.0

Foxfort wrote:

cephalos wrote:
Let's vote! :D
"What third axis faction you would like to see":
Finns
Italians
Romanians
Japanese
Ostheer

Ostheer

This is not All WW2 faction mod this is EASTERN FRONT mod.

Based on Eastern front in Europe not Eastern Asia :D :D :D

+1

Ostheer

Ostheer with mixed national units I think.
If everyone wants to complain why don't the devs have us make a unit from a nation , and than turn it into a mod thats compatible with EF ,
so one person could get on Corsaix and rename and reskin some volks and call them Finnish Jager troops ;) I did actually do that but for some reason I can't play Coh with them in it  :d I screwed up somewhere , but where.....

Last edited June 14, 2010 at 4:09 PM by Akalonor

                What about Bulgaria?
also:    Some of the following are Minor Participants
Italy(axis),France,Greece,Yugoslavia,Hungary(axis),Croatia(axis),Slovakia(axis),Vichy France(axis),Belgium,Netherlands,Albania(axis,under Italian control),Poland
so?
I dont know if you choosed cause i just registered   

Xristos this is exactly what we are talking about. As soon as the post starts: Bulgaria and the "following were minor participants" thing is just plain wrong cause one can say such about Bulgaria.

We don't have the place for everyone's nation. If we have to choose a nation we have to choose the one that (literally) contributed the most to the Germans battles throught the ENTIRE Eastern Front (so sorry Finland fans if we have those guys it would only be in an Army Group North based doctrine) I would think that the more obvious choice would be the Italians or perhaps the Hungarians. Anyway, i'm sure the Devs have already chosen their foreign troops. So lets just let this foreign units thing rest in pieces.

I haev an Idea!!!
What if the Developers made one unit that is upgraded to represent an area, something like this
Foreign support
-4 man squad of Germany's allies,
-100 mp 5 pop
-no starting weapons
Upgrades:

Scandanavian sharpshooters-200mp-10Mu : your foreign support troops are from the northern regions and are skilled in long range combat
-Armed with 1 G43 , 3 scoped K98's

etc, OR it could be an upgrade that is bought to apply to all of one unit. Say the secondary unit building for example , it could have the foreign units from above but have the upgrades fr said unit be like the NKVD upgrade for conscripts, It would change them to represent an area whithout giving precise names.

I think that is a passable idea, although I´d make it in a different way.

Make Romanians the basic Foreign Support squad. Then, buy an upgrade in the building you produce them from to make a different nation´s squad. You can either keep the Romanians to use as basic/cannon fodder units, or buy the Finnish upgrade to make sharpshooter squads (four guys with slightly different skins and other weapons), etc...

Romanians as a cannon fodder ?

:)) It seems you know nothing about romanian mountain hunters.They managed to break russian defense where germans failed many times.

The germans was good but too arrogant.When romanians told them about some defensive problems,germans has ignored the signals,and later events has proved to be true what was predicted.

Or make in every doctrine one special unit.
Doctrine X - allows you to produce Romanians
Doctrine Y - allows you to produce Finns
Doctrine Z - allows you to produce Hungarians
.... or other nationalities. In this way we can eat cake and have cake  ;D

It was already stated that this aint gonna happen, like the "SS named" unit.

you guys need to wake up.

Japenese will not be a fraction for Easternfront as far as we know! If you want to talk about crap, go to off topic. Otherwise, posting will be unnessaly.

Last edited June 20, 2010 at 10:45 PM by Seeme

There will be a new faction, it's called Ostheer. Got the hint?

HyperSniper999 wrote:
There will be a new faction, it's called Ostheer. Got the hint?

Ostheer won't be entirely made from german allies but germany, perhaps they will include a support squad to fit that, but to build an almost entirely faction(or tiers) with non-germany units, i think that's a little too far from the raison d'être of the concept that EF's devs have been planned.

blackbishop wrote:

HyperSniper999 wrote:
There will be a new faction, it's called Ostheer. Got the hint?

Ostheer won't be entirely made from german allies but germany, perhaps they will include a support squad to fit that, but to build an almost entirely faction(or tiers) with non-germany units, i think that's a little too far from the raison d'être of the concept that EF's devs have been planned.

I knew that, but technically Ostheer will be the new faction.

Am sorry it was a typeo, but I fixed it :)

I find it funny that the Devs are probably well under way with the Ostheer and people are still trying to change the whole damn thing...

People need to calm down: the Ostheer's going to be another German faction, but it will probably include some foreign units as doctrine call-ins or something.

And there with be no japs fraction, end of topic.

Seeme wrote:
And there with be no japs fraction, end of topic.

+1.5

The Japs are for PT , not EF .

I said End of Topic!

in before lock?

WartyX wrote:
It seems that some people don't understand the difference between pure fantasy and creative license. Japan in Europe is a no-no.

End of Discussion

TheConqueror wrote:
  First of all i want to say that there is 3 different nations on one side (British, USA, Soviet Union) but at the other side only 1 nation and its Germans (Wehrmacht & Panzer Elite). And now people talk about Ostheer and its again Germans. At this point I'm getting concerned about variety on battlefield... I think we must put a different nation in the mod and that would be really nice. This will make this mod (more) awesome.

  There are many nations can be think ed about but i think Empire of Japan would be a good choice because first of all i want you to remember that: When Japanese joined to war from that moment its called as a World War. Before than that is was a war on Europe and a bit on North Africa. Secondly, Japanese matches the title of mod. Well it is far east but it is east... And Japanese fought both with USA and Soviet Union at that era. Japanese had a fierce fanatic infantry (Banzai charges, suicide attacks etc.) which are also were experts of ambush tactics (remember battles on tropical pacific islands) and they had a suprising fierce air force (remember Pearl Harbor - Kamikaze Doctrine etc.) which rains bullets or bombs on their targets before they crash on it (this can be a 1 of 3 doctrines). Finally we must not forget Japanese navy power. In CoH there is no navy battles but navy forces can feature as an off-map artillery or manpower in exchange of fuel and (this one is very unique) reinforcing infantry squads on anywhere on owned territories. These can be abilities of Navy Support Doctrine .   
  Japanese had good tanks (mostly medium and light tanks) but they are not as strong as Panther or IS-2 or M26 so they lack of heavy armored vehicles. This weakness can be reduced by Heavy Armor Doctrine. With this doctrine Japanese can call (for once) powerful Super-Heavy Tank "O-I" which can match with a Tiger Tank.
 
  *As same as in WW2 Japanese have a very mobile force on battlefield (Like British in CoH but not with Trucks).
  *Their infantry is "kill many in short time but die quickly" type.Setting booby traps, ambushes, digging trenches for defensive operations...
  *They had a strong artillery like Rocket Mortars, Howitzers, Anti-Tank Guns etc.
  *Japanese snipers are also very good they can immobilize themselves in exchange of longer range (immobilize/mobilize countdown can be set to 5 or 10 seconds).
  *Japanese also used chemical/biological weapons so this one also can be put.

These are some ideas about Japanese... I'd love to read comments/ideas about Japanese...

I found these links very useful:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artillery_of_Japan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Japanese_Army
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Japanese_tanks_and_armoured_vehicles_of_the_WWII_period
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamikaze
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_weapons_of_the_Japanese_Navy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_General_Headquarters#Organization_during_World_War_II
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banzai_charge
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_weapon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731
http://www.provehicles.co.uk/top-10-heaviest-and-biggest-military-tanks-ever/

Hungary would Make More Sense

Yes ;) ::) ;D

The_Guy12243 wrote:

TheConqueror wrote:
  First of all i want to say that there is 3 different nations on one side (British, USA, Soviet Union) but at the other side only 1 nation and its Germans (Wehrmacht & Panzer Elite). And now people talk about Ostheer and its again Germans. At this point I'm getting concerned about variety on battlefield... I think we must put a different nation in the mod and that would be really nice. This will make this mod (more) awesome.

  There are many nations can be think ed about but i think Empire of Japan would be a good choice because first of all i want you to remember that: When Japanese joined to war from that moment its called as a World War. Before than that is was a war on Europe and a bit on North Africa. Secondly, Japanese matches the title of mod. Well it is far east but it is east... And Japanese fought both with USA and Soviet Union at that era. Japanese had a fierce fanatic infantry (Banzai charges, suicide attacks etc.) which are also were experts of ambush tactics (remember battles on tropical pacific islands) and they had a suprising fierce air force (remember Pearl Harbor - Kamikaze Doctrine etc.) which rains bullets or bombs on their targets before they crash on it (this can be a 1 of 3 doctrines). Finally we must not forget Japanese navy power. In CoH there is no navy battles but navy forces can feature as an off-map artillery or manpower in exchange of fuel and (this one is very unique) reinforcing infantry squads on anywhere on owned territories. These can be abilities of Navy Support Doctrine .   
  Japanese had good tanks (mostly medium and light tanks) but they are not as strong as Panther or IS-2 or M26 so they lack of heavy armored vehicles. This weakness can be reduced by Heavy Armor Doctrine. With this doctrine Japanese can call (for once) powerful Super-Heavy Tank "O-I" which can match with a Tiger Tank.
 
  *As same as in WW2 Japanese have a very mobile force on battlefield (Like British in CoH but not with Trucks).
  *Their infantry is "kill many in short time but die quickly" type.Setting booby traps, ambushes, digging trenches for defensive operations...
  *They had a strong artillery like Rocket Mortars, Howitzers, Anti-Tank Guns etc.
  *Japanese snipers are also very good they can immobilize themselves in exchange of longer range (immobilize/mobilize countdown can be set to 5 or 10 seconds).
  *Japanese also used chemical/biological weapons so this one also can be put.

These are some ideas about Japanese... I'd love to read comments/ideas about Japanese...

I found these links very useful:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artillery_of_Japan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Japanese_Army
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Japanese_tanks_and_armoured_vehicles_of_the_WWII_period
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamikaze
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_weapons_of_the_Japanese_Navy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_General_Headquarters#Organization_during_World_War_II
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banzai_charge
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_weapon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731
http://www.provehicles.co.uk/top-10-heaviest-and-biggest-military-tanks-ever/

Hungary would Make More Sense

Or even Italy, Romania or Finland. Japan is too-far-east for the Eastern Front.

Newbie. wrote:

The_Guy12243 wrote:

TheConqueror wrote:
  First of all i want to say that there is 3 different nations on one side (British, USA, Soviet Union) but at the other side only 1 nation and its Germans (Wehrmacht & Panzer Elite). And now people talk about Ostheer and its again Germans. At this point I'm getting concerned about variety on battlefield... I think we must put a different nation in the mod and that would be really nice. This will make this mod (more) awesome.

  There are many nations can be think ed about but i think Empire of Japan would be a good choice because first of all i want you to remember that: When Japanese joined to war from that moment its called as a World War. Before than that is was a war on Europe and a bit on North Africa. Secondly, Japanese matches the title of mod. Well it is far east but it is east... And Japanese fought both with USA and Soviet Union at that era. Japanese had a fierce fanatic infantry (Banzai charges, suicide attacks etc.) which are also were experts of ambush tactics (remember battles on tropical pacific islands) and they had a suprising fierce air force (remember Pearl Harbor - Kamikaze Doctrine etc.) which rains bullets or bombs on their targets before they crash on it (this can be a 1 of 3 doctrines). Finally we must not forget Japanese navy power. In CoH there is no navy battles but navy forces can feature as an off-map artillery or manpower in exchange of fuel and (this one is very unique) reinforcing infantry squads on anywhere on owned territories. These can be abilities of Navy Support Doctrine .   
  Japanese had good tanks (mostly medium and light tanks) but they are not as strong as Panther or IS-2 or M26 so they lack of heavy armored vehicles. This weakness can be reduced by Heavy Armor Doctrine. With this doctrine Japanese can call (for once) powerful Super-Heavy Tank "O-I" which can match with a Tiger Tank.
 
  *As same as in WW2 Japanese have a very mobile force on battlefield (Like British in CoH but not with Trucks).
  *Their infantry is "kill many in short time but die quickly" type.Setting booby traps, ambushes, digging trenches for defensive operations...
  *They had a strong artillery like Rocket Mortars, Howitzers, Anti-Tank Guns etc.
  *Japanese snipers are also very good they can immobilize themselves in exchange of longer range (immobilize/mobilize countdown can be set to 5 or 10 seconds).
  *Japanese also used chemical/biological weapons so this one also can be put.

These are some ideas about Japanese... I'd love to read comments/ideas about Japanese...

I found these links very useful:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artillery_of_Japan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Japanese_Army
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Japanese_tanks_and_armoured_vehicles_of_the_WWII_period
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamikaze
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_weapons_of_the_Japanese_Navy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_General_Headquarters#Organization_during_World_War_II
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banzai_charge
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_weapon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731
http://www.provehicles.co.uk/top-10-heaviest-and-biggest-military-tanks-ever/

Hungary would Make More Sense

Or even Italy, Romania or Finland. Japan is too-far-east for the Eastern Front.

Jesus Christ, not again  ::)...the Devs have already decided on this issue a long time ago...putting one specific nation into the Ostheer at the expense of all the others would only invite more conflicts. Like in vCOH, an ambiguously-named unit instead of a completely new faction would be better for everyone and would keep things less complicated. In fact, did the Canadians, New Zealanders, and Australians complain when the British/Commonwealth faction was introduced? Nein.  ::)

Still want Polish/Finnish/Spanish/Scandinavian/Swiss/French/Hungarian/Bulgarian/Italian/Ukrainian/Latvian/Rumanian/White Russian etc. formations in the Ostheer? Instead of making 10 or more "national factions" (omg  >:(), just make a single unit-type and call them Waffen-Grenadiers. You can then assume any number of nationalities to your hearts' desires. And yes, before you all say "WRONG!!", Waffen-Grenadiers actually existed...in the Waffen-SS and the Volunteer Legions. So those of you who are also SS-fanboys should stop crying and push for this idea instead. ;)

For those "special cases" who keep pushing for the inclusion of the Japanese into the Ostheer, please go help Moknin out with making his Chinese Mod (http://easternfront.org/forums/index.php?topic=3794.0) instead. Cheers

Last edited July 6, 2010 at 8:57 AM by Werwolf

And as werewolf said and I did for a thousand times:


End of topic!

And who are you to decide this?

TacticalNuke wrote:
And who are you to decide this?

He isnt deciding something. He is noticing that the debate is closed. No japs, no others axis country like Finland, Romania or Hungary. Only Ostheer, with, perhaps, a universal foreign unit (Waffen-grenadier is a good idea).

And lets be honest, play with germans is much more fun than playing with puppet states of the Reich.
Japs will be release with Pacific Thunder. Thats all! Nothing more!

Seeme wrote:
I said End of Topic!

+1

Seeme wrote:
And as werewolf said and I did for a thousand times:


End of topic!

+1001 , can someone lock this now please.

When thread creator say "close" - i will close.
When u start a spam/flame war - i will close.
When u write to much off topic - i will close.
When u want to finish the topic - dont write here anymore ;)

4 options; chose one ^^

TacticalNuke wrote:
And who are you to decide this?

I can't imagine Seeme as Moderator :P.

Ok guys we gotta go untopic.

So, arent those roo waaaay to overpowered?

Dang pe, way to op op!!! Darn! Darn! Darn!

When will the obsteer be out?

Lets get some finnsh as a fraction. Come on!

Is that good enough?


And black, I'll be a fine modder.

Seeme you just spammed off topic, thus making you  an invalid cantidate for moderator.
And I think the Thread creator was banned , or just quit

Oh and what makes YOU a better canidate?

Read my Personal Text :P

Junk.

lol...

Okay.
I see; u have chosen option 4  ::)
Lord Rommel - DEV
Closed

Last edited July 8, 2010 at 4:23 PM by Lord Rommel