Possibility of returning

BurroDiablo wrote:
Jagd is a buildable replacement for the Kettenkrad... It can cloak and cap points. :P

hilarious

Maybe Jagdtiger can replace Wher's blitz Tiger just like the IS-3 replaces IS-152. Make the Jagd one time call in?

IDk if u guys(EF team) already have an idea where 2 put it then forget my post :P

Jagtiger has already its place and is nearly finished balance wise.

Killar wrote:
Jagtiger has already its place and is nearly finished balance wise.

Then in that case approximately when shall the next patch be realeased? Just curious (and eager :D)

Well you know the answer ;)

Honestly, I don't know. There are some issues to be addressed before the next release and most of the Devs are free until January.

Ghost wrote:

BurroDiablo wrote:
Jagd is a buildable replacement for the Kettenkrad... It can cloak and cap points. :P

lol, you forgot to mention that it can call down V2s  ;D

That was a secret! >:(

BurroDiablo wrote:

Ghost wrote:

BurroDiablo wrote:
Jagd is a buildable replacement for the Kettenkrad... It can cloak and cap points. :P

lol, you forgot to mention that it can call down V2s  ;D

That was a secret! >:(

LOL it can call them down from the other side of the map  :P

Well, at least im glad the jagdtiger will be back at some other place at least >_>. For me I just perfer the diversity of units in the game, I only believe the tiger ace is something really not needed, and except of putting a unit in place, it all just takes the means of balance and skin overall. Despite this being a solution or possibly a complaint, I played EF and loved it, and still to this day. So i'll stick to any developer's advice(not having experience about game balance and tactics). Besides, EF is the only mod I really enjoyed when i first got it (and stayed awake to the end O_O).

Kevla99 wrote:
I only believe the tiger ace is something really not needed

Blasphemy! I think most Wehr players love the Tiger Ace as its a decent well-rounded unit in armour and speed, a welcome reward for the King Tiger which is has epic armour but crap speed (not 100% on the gun, I think the Tiger Ace does more dmg to Infantry but don't quote me on that...)

I'm not hating on the tiger ace >_<. I do like it, but certainly except putting a reward unit like that you guys could change the stats of the 205 reward tiger, giving the option of either the strength of a tank killer for the original tiger, and have the elite speed and accuracy of the tiger ace. As for the jagdtiger, it can basically be a support gun role, same armor and speed as the king tiger, but only a slighty better gun. Like I said in my other comment, I don't mind about the tiger ace, it just seems really useless if you add another tiger as a reward unit, but really only need to just change the skin and restat the reward tiger we already have. (Noted before in the comment: Its just matter of opinion, I love the EF mod and support the developers and members of this community and their judgement. I am only just putting this as something you may think about =/)

EF seems to be becoming a zoo


We have
Bergetiger; Tiger I; Tiger II; Tiger Ace; Tiger 205
Panther; Jagdpanther
Hummel; Nashorn
Soon we will have the
Elefant; Wespe

A german zoo ;D. The is also the ISU-152 which is an "animal killer" and the henshel (plz forgive the spelling) King Tiger.

The Tiger ace rocks! Its the ultimate infantry blobkiller! The only thing I got against it its the skin. I would rather have an Panther II or something ( prototypes YEAH <3) Now its a black tiger 1. Dont get me wrong I think its awesome. But I know that in many peoples eyes this looks like somekind of batmobile warhammer rock and roll merchandise tank just because of thatXD

Do we know what unit the jagdtiger will replace?  The wehr 88 ? ;o

i know  ;) but can´t tell you :P


A faster tiger is very deadly. It can hit, do much damage and retreat in the FOW again. Thats why it was in the Terror doctrine from the beginning. It fits perfectly the "terror" theme. I wouldn´t call it just another tiger because the speed makes the difference.


EF won´t change vcoh faction units. Thats why tiger205 reward will be kept untouched even if its a bit sensless.


Jagdtiger is indeed a support unit, the jagdpanther can fight on its own.

Killar wrote:
i know  ;) but can´t tell you :P


A faster tiger is very deadly. It can hit, do much damage and retreat in the FOW again. Thats why it was in the Terror doctrine from the beginning. It fits perfectly the "terror" theme. I wouldn´t call it just another tiger because the speed makes the difference.


EF won´t change vcoh faction units. Thats why tiger205 reward will be kept untouched even if its a bit sensless.


Jagdtiger is indeed a support unit, the jagdpanther can fight on its own.

Damn you and your secrets! :p

And now now we have had this discusion Tiger Ace sucks ;D , Nah JK I'm not a fan of the Tiger Ace but it does fit the doctrine so I can't complain ... To much :P

the facts are these,
                                1; the tiger ace is a very versatile unit that can out-flank other units easily, and even be put up against a superior unit, damage it, and still get away with low health.
                                2; the king tiger is an extremely powerful unit that can devastate other units without having to flank, and when backed up by other tanks, is almost unstoppable.
whether you prefer the tiger ace, or the KT, is up to your play style, both units are great, and neither one "suck."

Tiger Ace does suck right now, but with the new planned changes to Crack Shot, if the cool-down is not managed properly, it may potentially become slightly OP next patch.

Some times I feel like TA is like a fast Tiger. Thats all :'(. When Crack Shot is improved then it'll be better I guess :D

Yauz wrote:
Tiger Ace does suck right now

i disagree.

stealthattack1 wrote:

Yauz wrote:
Tiger Ace does suck right now

i disagree.

I think Yauz means it sucks compared to the KT :P

either way.

Fishhunterx wrote:
Some times I feel like TA is like a fast Tiger. Thats all :'(. When Crack Shot is improved then it'll be better I guess :D

That's the thing.  Movement speed is mostly irrelevant in high level matches, especially for a 1-time call-in.  Some noobs may think otherwise, but this is the truth.  Reload speed is a whole different story, but I don't think the TA shoots significantly faster than the KT.

In the end, it mainly all comes down to gun stats and health / armor.  The TA currently has a strong gun versus infantry, and a weak gun versus heavy tanks that cannot even penetrate an IS-2 reliably, while the KT's gun is effective versus armor and weaker versus infantry.  So the guns are pretty equal, they are just specialized in different areas, but as for the health / armor, the KT has the upper hand by far.  Armor and health will help a lot more than unit speed in terms of survivability.

I think the KT is pretty effective vs Infantry when its shots actually hit. IDK its accuracy but IMO the Tiger is better

which tiger though? ace or king?

Ace and regular

When I said it sucks I was comparing it to the KT, its a good unit and all but if give the option to use the KT or the TA I would pick the KT, But we all have our preferences I suppose.

Having people on both sides who think one is better than the other means we have balanced it pretty well. In 1.5, while it is still powerful, it is bugged so that crack shot sucks and is crushed by IS-2s. With the changes, the tanks should be even.

Excellent. Will the jagdtiger be released with the next patch?

Probably, yes.

yay! at least it'll be here somewhere. people do have a point of putting the tiger ace there, despite being weaker than the tiger ace. at least give something of specialty when in veteran, i'm still wondering what the jagdtiger is gonna replace, and how? besides, you have 4 reward units in place already.  ???

Well the TA cant gain veterancy but it can use crack shot (which will be fixed).

And besides that policy of 4 reard units isnt concrete :P

wait, why isnt the ace affected by vet?

It comes with inbuilt vet (better stats) like the KT. The TA has never had vet since the beginning of CoH.

KT, Jagdtiger, and the TA have never been able to gain vet cause they're already powerful.

hmm. oh well, all that mp spent on tank veterancy didnt help.

So you threw over 100 fuel down the drain?

The vet you buy will still go to your other troops :P

yea, not down the drain, just didnt help my call ins

It depends, if you didn't build tanks it was a waste. On the other hand if you did build tanks....

Well then you better start building them :P