Best Medium Tank of WWII

Alright Ive seen some MGs and Elites now its time for Medium tanks, so lets hear it.

PzIV. No other good tank saw action thruout the whole WWII.

If you are asking about the best tank that was designed in WWII it would be the Centurion.

Paciat wrote:
PzIV. No other good tank saw action thruout the whole WWII.

If you are asking about the best tank that was designed in WWII it would be the Centurion.

Lol nope just ones that saw action, note I didnt add assault guns or Tank Destroyers even though some are on Medium tank Chassis. And Technically Cromwells and Comets are considered Cruisers which seems to be a British tank only Classification so I added them as well

Best in what?

- firepower
- speed
- reliability
- easy and cheap to produce
- saw action all over the war
- ...

You cant say "best" tank

Overall

DrRockzo1986 wrote:

Paciat wrote:
PzIV. No other good tank saw action thruout the whole WWII.

If you are asking about the best tank that was designed in WWII it would be the Centurion.

Lol nope just ones that saw action, note I didnt add assault guns or Tank Destroyers even though some are on Medium tank Chassis. And Technically Cromwells and Comets are considered Cruisers which seems to be a British tank only Classification so I added them as well

Wouldn't the sherman firefly classify as a tank destroyer?

Concerning your two Italian combatants for the contest:
The Carro Armato P-40 was only ordered in the amount of 1200 but only about 5 had ever finished by the time of the Italian's surrendering. The P-40 was designed to be a fairly good tank, however classified as a heavy tank. British 17 pounders could pierce their armor but anything lower would have difficulty penetrating. Only a few saw combat after germany took over Fiat-Anzio

The Fiat M11/39? Well...lets just say that wasn't a completely serious tank. It wielded the weak 37mm main gun and could easily be penetrated by most AT weapons. It was only produced in small numbers of about 100-200 and it's main flaw was the fixation of it's turret, while the turret was not completely fixed and could still turn a bit it could not turn fast or far enough to engage flanking armor.

I think a better candidate for Italian armor would be Fiat's M13/40. It was produced in much larger numbers.

Overall I agree with Paciat on the Panzer IV. The Panther overall was a better tank but saw less combat and wasn't produced as much as a Panzer IV.

Last edited June 29, 2011 at 8:08 PM by Cranialwizard

Sorry I was just running the list of Medium tanks from Wikis "Tanks in World War II" section and for whatever reason the Fiat M13/40 wasn't listed but it is classified as a Medium tank so ill add it. THANKS ;D. As for the sherman firefly idk what to say other than its classified as a medium tank on the above mentioned site http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanks_in_World_War_II

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Im really suprised no one has voted for the M4 Sherman, historians make such a huge deal about it being a good tank.

Last edited June 29, 2011 at 8:48 PM by DrRockzo1986

I am surprized that T34 has just 1 point. Mine  :-X

DrRockzo1986 wrote:
Im really suprised no one has voted for the M4 Sherman, historians make such a huge deal about it being a good tank.

The only reason shermans were considered good medium tanks was for their spammability, literally. The Allied War Machine had geared production up to tanks per minute when America joined the war, and shermans had lacking armor and not enough firepower to penetrate german Panther and Tiger tanks, which became mainstream after looking at soviet aggressive tanks like the T-34.

That poll is stupid. There is no "best" tank.

f.e. t34 is considered the best tank in ww2. It was a crappy tank. primitive constructed, loud, not comfortable, realiability  ::), ...
but in mass numbers (easy to produce) it could dominate. So its the best tank because it was of most success?

Killar wrote:
That poll is stupid. There is no "best" tank.

f.e. t34 is considered the best tank in ww2. It was a crappy tank. primitive constructed, loud, not comfortable, realiability  ::), ...
but in mass numbers (easy to produce) it could dominate. So its the best tank because it was of most success?

Before 1943 it WAS the best tank

Thats why its an opinion based poll

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Im having a really hard time trying to figure out how to classify these British tanks

CrimsonDragoon wrote:

Killar wrote:
That poll is stupid. There is no "best" tank.

f.e. t34 is considered the best tank in ww2. It was a crappy tank. primitive constructed, loud, not comfortable, realiability  ::), ...
but in mass numbers (easy to produce) it could dominate. So its the best tank because it was of most success?

Before 1943 it WAS the best tank

No it wasnt. Even the soviets said the panzerIII was the better tank BEFORE the war began because of the things i mentioned before. 50mm gun could destroy a t34

There was no "best tank", its what tank had the best crew.

Ha ha, not true Seeme, no matter how good the crew is inside a stuart its as equally dead as any other vs. a tiger. Hee hee, its like in WWI, where before the Camel (a very old fighter bi plane) was introduced there were many German aces yet just shortly after the introduction of the Camel, all their numbers sharply declined? Why, the reason was simply before that the allied fighters were obsolete, the German triplane being faster and more manoeverable simply cut the Pups to pieces.

The camel negated those advantages of the German triplanes and then it became a real test of skill you know?

As for the Firefly, it was still a tank just with a 17 pounder rather than 75/76mm.

This poll is v. opinionated so I'll hold my vote for now :P

CrimsonDragoon wrote:
I am surprized that T34 has just 1 point. Mine  :-X

I voted t34, but im not suprised at all. this is axis front forums  :P

Should Panther be on the list? Allmost every country considered it to be a heavy tank. Thats also why I chosen PzIV.

CrimsonDragoon wrote:
I am surprized that T34 has just 1 point. Mine  :-X

Thats probably becouse 3 T34 were destroyed for every StugIII lost...
Soviet tanks had poor visibility, crew comfort (tired crews dont fight well) and less accurate guns.

Last edited June 30, 2011 at 4:54 AM by Paciat

Paciat wrote:
Thats probably becouse 3 T34 were destroyed for every StugIII lost...
Soviet tanks had poor visibility, crew comfort (tired crews dont fight well) and less accurate guns.

thats why bullets come in magazines of more than 1. t34 won the war, thats the most important stat

Paciat wrote:
Should Panther be on the list? Allmost every country considered it to be a heavy tank. Thats also why I chosen PzIV.

CrimsonDragoon wrote:
I am surprized that T34 has just 1 point. Mine  :-X

Thats probably becouse 3 T34 were destroyed for every StugIII lost...
Soviet tanks had poor visibility, crew comfort (tired crews dont fight well) and less accurate guns.

Umm, There were like 10 times the number of T34s then there were Stug III, I dont think that was a valid argument since its easier to hit and kill 3 T34 tanks than one measely StugIII now isn't it?

Ha ha ha, Like Red said: T34 won the Russians WWII so there's nothing you can really say to recitify that now is there.

RedGuard wrote:

Paciat wrote:
Thats probably becouse 3 T34 were destroyed for every StugIII lost...
Soviet tanks had poor visibility, crew comfort (tired crews dont fight well) and less accurate guns.

thats why bullets come in magazines of more than 1. t34 won the war, thats the most important stat

If T-34 won the war, it wasn't because was the best medium tank but because they had a lot of these. If 3 T-34 were lost to a StuGIII there were already other 7 T-34 rolling out.

So, I'm afraid this is not relevant for the current discussion.

:D, same gist different stats lol

blackbishop wrote:

RedGuard wrote:

Paciat wrote:
Thats probably becouse 3 T34 were destroyed for every StugIII lost...
Soviet tanks had poor visibility, crew comfort (tired crews dont fight well) and less accurate guns.

thats why bullets come in magazines of more than 1. t34 won the war, thats the most important stat

If T-34 won the war, it wasn't because was the best medium tank but because they had a lot of these.

Yep. If ease of production is a factor then the best tank of the war is the Jeep. :P ;D
650.000 build!!! Great mobility, low profile, many versions, reliable...

Yep, but were talking about med tanks weren't we

RedGuard wrote:

CrimsonDragoon wrote:
I am surprized that T34 has just 1 point. Mine  :-X

I voted t34, but im not suprised at all. this is axis front forums  :P

Don't be too sure of this, I'm convinced to the contrary, it's enought read the people post.  :P

Last edited June 30, 2011 at 9:50 AM by Moonwalker

at least you don't name everyone here as 'nazi'  ::)

My vote goes for Panther. T-34 was less armoured, had worse armament, it might be faster and easier to produce, but panther outclassed T-34 is 1v1 with an ease.

The Pershing was reclassified as a med Tank after the war.

As for the comments regarding EF

Lets nerf the Soviets. Is the general gist of all comments.

I never hear lets nerf axis cause they are OP. (Which is what I want to see)

I know I'm gonna be called a Soviet fanboy but to be absolutely honest I play Germans more than anything else so I know, with the correct play Germans can rape any strategy Allies come up with. As an example this is a stupid match against an expert bot. Bots make poor arguments for balance issues but there are just things that Bots do that demonstrate the weaknesses of the armies used...

Ha ha 19  votes later and still 0 for the Sherman. I consider it to be a lot like the T 34 in that it was Mass produce to overrun the germans and had to upgrade its gun to stand a chance against better german armour. guess there arent any American fanboys on this forum. ;)

DrRockzo1986 wrote:
Ha ha 19  votes later and still 0 for the Sherman. I consider it to be a lot like the T 34 in that it was Mass produce to overrun the germans and had to upgrade its gun to stand a chance against better german armour. guess there arent any American fanboys on this forum. ;)

If there was a Best TD topic I would vote for M-18 - the best TD of WWII. 8)

Last edited July 1, 2011 at 9:10 PM by Paciat

I took M3 Lee. Because its looks cool and I like to tr0ll you guys with your t34s and panthers and all that stuff :P

And its name is Lee. Like Bruce Lee Hajaka! :>

Sommarkatze wrote:
I took M3 Lee. Because its looks cool and I like to tr0ll you guys with your t34s and panthers and all that stuff :P

And its name is Lee. Like Bruce Lee Hajaka! :>

lol ;D

The Poll says it all ;D

the only thing this polls tells me is that forum is infested with axis fanboy

is there some kind of tonnage limit because the panther was almost double the weight of a t34

thats like comparing a panzer IV to an IS-2, which are closer in weight that a t34/panther

Last edited July 1, 2011 at 7:53 PM by RedGuard

RedGuard wrote:
the only thing this polls tells me is that forum is infested with axis fanboy

is there some kind of tonnage limit because the panther was almost double the weight of a t34

thats like comparing a panzer IV to an IS-2, which are closer in weight that a t34/panther

and I sometimes think that this forum is infested with narrow-minded Soviet fanboys. Eh, nevermind.

Both tanks, t-34 and Panther were awesome pieces of steel. The fact is that each of those two was better in some PARTICULAR stuff. Like T-34 in production, but Panther had far more better gun and optics.

cephalos wrote:

RedGuard wrote:
the only thing this polls tells me is that forum is infested with axis fanboy

is there some kind of tonnage limit because the panther was almost double the weight of a t34

thats like comparing a panzer IV to an IS-2, which are closer in weight that a t34/panther

and I sometimes think that this forum is infested with narrow-minded Soviet fanboys. Eh, nevermind.

soviet fanboys? yes, not as many as axis. narrow-minded? no
but really what a suprise that is, soviet mod forum has fans of soviets wow thats so strange and must not be allowed to happen

what i find stranger and a bit disturbing is that soviet mod forum has more axis fans than soviet

Last edited July 1, 2011 at 8:47 PM by RedGuard

RedGuard wrote:
what i find stranger and a bit disturbing is that soviet mod forum has more axis fans than soviet

[sarcasm]Especially since Germans have no sence of humor [/sarcasm]

RedGuard, could you stop the drama? It's just a poll. Also I find more disturbing that you think that all the users who voted for the Panther are axis fanboys for saying that it's better than T-34.

thats not the reasoning behind my comment, and,
sorry you perceive that as drama I perceive it as a fact. if facts start drama maybe theres something inherently wrong in the situation
if you dont think its odd then I dunno what to tell ya

Last edited July 1, 2011 at 9:45 PM by RedGuard

I voted for the PzIV, Panther maybe is too big to be a medium tank... Its gun sure comes with a balance of accuracy and penetration, a medium amor and the sporty look (I dont know why but I always feel PzIV is a sport tank, like sport car).

stavka88 wrote:
I voted for the PzIV, Panther maybe is too big to be a medium tank... Its gun sure comes with a balance of accuracy and penetration, a medium amor and the sporty look (I dont know why but I always feel PzIV is a sport tank, like sport car).

I have similiar feeling when looking at Panther.

RedGuard wrote:
thats not the reasoning behind my comment, and,
sorry you perceive that as drama I perceive it as a fact. if facts start drama maybe theres something inherently wrong in the situation
if you dont think its odd then I dunno what to tell ya

Voting for an axis tank in a poll ≠ Being an Axis fanboy

RedGuard wrote:
the only thing this polls tells me is that forum is infested with axis fanboy

As a part of the Developer team you shouldnt do such comments. When you say that you show clearly that you're a soviet fanboy. It then tells me a lot about the balance of the soviet faction...

Last edited July 1, 2011 at 10:50 PM by Killar

Oh common, when you drive a cool sport car (or sport tank :)) do you care about its nationality? When something is cool, it's cool because it's cool that's all.

cephalos wrote:

stavka88 wrote:
I voted for the PzIV, Panther maybe is too big to be a medium tank... Its gun sure comes with a balance of accuracy and penetration, a medium amor and the sporty look (I dont know why but I always feel PzIV is a sport tank, like sport car).

I have similiar feeling when looking at Panther.

Yep, take it out in the field and it will brake down or get stuck in mud. Thats why Panther cannot be the best WWII tank. It was too unreliable.
Also III Reich didnt won any major offensive using Panthers and any tank is good when you retreat. :-\

This is just a guess and Im not accusing anyone of doing this but I feel like some people voted for the in game CoH Panther and not the real life Panther, because Paciat is right it was very prone to breakdowns and seems like it was more a Pain than a Panther. But what do I know I wasnt there maybe it was extremely effective when it was actually functioning properly

stavka88 wrote:
Oh common, when you drive a cool sport car (or sport tank :)) do you care about its nationality? When something is cool, it's cool because it's cool that's all.

and The Panther kited the T-34
and it looks like a race car with a 75 mm gun 8)

Last edited July 2, 2011 at 6:42 AM by Tankbuster

I guess the Panther may be in fact the best tank in WWII, Ha ha, ironic isn't it.

To me, it seems like ALL german tanks were attentionwhores when it comes maintenance. Always seems to breakdown. Otherwise they were great imo.

The fanboys dilemma. I often describe it like this when my friends find it weird when Iam holding for the germans in war movies and such.

Its like in Starwars. Your favorites are the galactic empire. Yes, they are evil and are destroying whole planets. But jesus christ that plus their armours and weapons and all that makes them super cool! :D

The same thing with the germans ^^ The russians I see like the Jar Jar Binks people whatahell they now are called XD Brute force warriors who will fight to the death for their motherland!

(No. I dont say the russians are technical inferior.)

Owh and right. M3 Lee! Woooh! :D

Sommarkatze wrote:
To me, it seems like ALL german tanks were attentionwhores when it comes maintenance. Always seems to breakdown. Otherwise they were great imo.

It is not possible to build a full working machine with no maintenance issues in within a few month. Remember the eurofighter did need 20 years of developing and building to become a realiable "product".

Panthers were needed asap for Kursk despite they were still far from finished. Thats the reason of the early breakdowns (the weight was much higher than planned) and engine fires.

The panzerIII and IV chassis had more time to develope. StugIII was very reliable.

Killar wrote:
Panthers were needed asap for Kursk despite they were still far from finished. Thats the reason of the early breakdowns (the weight was much higher than planned) and engine fires.

They should be fielded in 1945. Then Germans wouldnt have problems with them... becouse the war would allready ended. ::)

At Kursk Panthers brand new broke down so it wasnt a maintenance problem, it was a design problem. When Germans fixed those problems maintenance problems apeared.

Paciat wrote:

Killar wrote:
Panthers were needed asap for Kursk despite they were still far from finished. Thats the reason of the early breakdowns (the weight was much higher than planned) and engine fires.

They should be fielded in 1945. Then Germans wouldnt have problems with them... becouse the war would allready ended. ::)

At Kursk Panthers brand new broke down so it wasnt a maintenance problem, it was a design problem. When Germans fixed those problems maintenance problems apeared.

That makes no sense. What are you trying to tell me?