Does Panzer elit really represents waffen ss?

Panzer elite must represent them.

1. They have panzer greens
2. They have more camo then most units
3. In campaign them represent the SS panzer divisions defending Arnhem.
4. They have that scorched earth tatic which is kind of SS work to me
5. The upgrade group zeal sounds like the SS to me
6. The narroter for them sounds brutal
7. The pe are a very mobile faction like the SS divisions
8. They are given very unique vehicles Such as jag panthers

I think they're just ad Hoc divisions formed to defend against Operation Market Garden since they didn't have time to mobilize properly. They're a collection of lots of different units.

1. Panzer Grens are any infantry working with Mechanized/Armoured divisions aren't they? Not necessarily SS
2. Camoed units could be anything but are likely more elite units like SS
3. In the campaign they aren't stated to be SS divisions. Kampfgruppe Lehr division is a collection of the units training in the Netherlands (Lehr = to learn).
4. Scorthed Earth has been used by armies throughout history. Has nothing to do with SS
5. Group zeal could be appropriately applied to any German unit due to their use of combined arms, communication and coordination.
6. The narrator is German and Germans do sound brutal. Especially the awful German accent he puts on :S
7. Mechanised infantry were in the Heer as well as SS divisions
8. They also have Hotchkisses and Marders, old style equipment. Lends further support to the fact they're a hodgepodge of different units that just happened to be in the Netherlands at the time.

No I think it was SS that had PG's

Mattdamon07, Panzergrenadier is (losely) translated to: armoured/mechanised grenadiers. They are mechanised infantry, which is not an SS exclusive, both the Heer and the SS had panzergrenadier regiments. For more information on the subject (even though it is not a great source): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzergrenadiers

Just saying they were commen in the SS regiments.

They werent commen in the SS ;)

Panzer-Division had Panzergrenadiers. Like Tico already explained: They were trained to fight with armoured vehicles like tanks and half-tracks.. Panzergrenadiere were equipped with half-tracks and motorised weapons and smg to got as much firepower as possible.
The SS need some month longer to transform their "SS-Schützen" into "SS-Panzergrenadiere".
So Panzergrenadiere arent NO indicator for SS.

This is off topic but the initial posts about the allegiance of the Wehrmacht, and Rommel intrigued me. This is a passage from one of my favorite books. The author is trying to summarize reasons he's thinks the German Army was so easily manipulated. Quoted from the book.

1) The army of 100,000 men to which we were entitled under the Treaty of Versailles was deliberately trained to be nonpolitical. As a result, the officer corps lacked perspective.

2)Hitlers initial successes (the elimination of unemployment and the Communist threat, as well as the repatriation of former German territories to the Greater German Reich) restored self-confidence to the German people and the growing Wehrmacht.

3) The young people who were called up for military service were recruited mainly from the Hitler Youth and other National Socialist organizations and were correspondingly motivated, if not fanaticized.

4) Most decisively, it seems to me: the oath of allegiance was the creed of the officer corps. Hitler knew this and exploited it shamelessly.

End quote. For those of you interested the book is called "Panzer Commander, the personal memoirs of Colonel Hans Von Luck", the youngest man to achieve that rank (in the German military at least) during WW2. Rommel was his teacher in War college, and served with his ghost division in the invasion of the lowlands and France. After being transferred to the Russian front and fighting there, he was again transferred back into Rommel's command in Africa (Rommel asked for him personally). If you want to read a good war memoir and learn more about Rommel from a man who actually served under him and knew him, then I highly recommend this book.

Sorry for getting off topic.

Last edited July 18, 2011 at 10:56 PM by tigerclawstyle

wow i will learn from my mistakes, but there is one thing i know is that Panzer gren adiers from the SS were usaully better such as 12thSSPanzerDivision< my fav divi, dispite war crimes