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could not it be cool if Americans could get a replacement squad in place of Riflemen. my suggestion was a shotgun squad or just a shotgun upgrade to Riflemen. the whole idea of ​​a sotgun squad was that they should work well at short distances. do not know if it was possible to make, and the vile fit. it would just look great and work well in urban environments. plus I think Americans were the only ones who used shotgiúns during the war. :)

I wasn't aware shotguns were even used in world war II... :-\

They were but rather filled with salt than with metalpieces (joke).
No they just spreaded too much I think and were very inaccurate.

they were called trench guns instead

The whole idea of replacing rifles with shotguns is quite pointless. Making short-range unit from long-medium one? I'd rather see Trench gun as an upgrade for Rangers, for instance. Or give it to brit Commandos.

Potential upgrade for Engineers?

replace engie 'grease guns' with trench guns - I like it

that way they can still retain flame weapons, and get a minor boost to firepower, since getting vet on engies is a monumental task it would help them scale

will it happen though? no
better chance for pios getting it or something

... as replacement for 'flamethrower' upgrade  ::)

you cant replace the flamethrower, its a powerful weapon system and a staple of american tactics. if it was relpaced the trench guns would have to be a very powerful weapon system or a very cheap one which IMO just isnt viable

think of what the flame does, it kills soldiers by the bunch, kills garrisoned infantry and burns down buildings. and nullifys cover
try creating a weapon that is its equal  ::)

or at the very least fills that role that the Ami needs before they have other capabilites

Last edited June 24, 2011 at 9:50 PM by RedGuard

I was thinking maybe you could have the option to upgrade 1 guy with a Flamethrower for 50 Munitions, 1 guy with a Minesweeper for 35 Munitions (i think that's what it is) or upgrade 2 guys with "trench guns" for, maybe, 30-40 Munitions?

yeah I was suggesting something similiar. so long as the flamethrower isnt replaced entirely

Well, we all know the Eastern Front devs wouldn't do that. ;)

+1 we want trench guns!!!!  :-*

you could give Rangers the opportunity to upgrade to shotguns instead of Thompson M1A1 Submachine guns. shotgun would seem like a Stuart light tank canister rounds just smaller in all ways but still deadly as hell. shotgun will be weak from a distance but close it will be extremely unpleasant. it will work well in urban combats.

That could work too, but i feel like Engineers would be better for the trench guns for some reason... Maybe it's all that Battlefront i played as a kid....

Well the shotguns of the day were often found with NCOs, and the more specialized soldiers (Medics, Engineers, some Paras, Spec Ops had access, but prefered silenced or high capacity weapons) but the army did issue all types of shotguns (mainly M1912, M37 Ithaca, Browing Auto-5s and the reserve M1897), but they were used more often on the Pacific Theater than the European Theater.

I would give them to Rangers personally, a choice between Tommyguns and Shotguns would be cool, or for Paras AT or AI choice, but thats for another mod, Devs don't change Vanilla

Well, since it's an option they probably wouldn't mind adding it to Airborne, if they decide to add it... I think it would be a good idea actually, because they are pretty ineffective vs infantry anyway.

neosdark wrote:
Devs don't change Vanilla

dont let them fool you with that nonsense, they modded strafe

Did they? What did they change?

RedGuard wrote:

neosdark wrote:
Devs don't change Vanilla

dont let them fool you with that nonsense, they modded strafe

Oh for god's sake they added a soundbite to the strafe that was recommended by experts on Gamereplays and CoH was going to add to 2.602 but chickened out last minute...(Or got lazy)

Stop ranting on how we changed Vanilla gameplay. The Devs have stuck by their cause as to not change vanilla gameplay excluding certain changes that were in-line to at the time upcoming 2.602 changes.

However they did add reward units, but that isn't critical to gameplay, it's not like Blitzkrieg mod where there are 6 engineers to a god-damn squad  ::)

They did actually change the sound of the 57, but that's hardly changing gameplay.

We aren't going to add the shotgun to rangers or any other vCoH unit because that would be too much, and is not even close to compare that with the siren added to strafe.

yeah but its a change. so quit saying we dont mod vanilla, and i'll quit saying we do. its more like we mod vanilla when we feel its ok to

the siren is a big deal in case no ones figured it out, one of the tricks is to get people with strafe when they're looking off screen but with the siren thats taken away. when you hear the siren - select your hotkey group and press 'T'

crisis averted - and thats not possible in vanilla so its quite a gamebreaking change

I want the shotgun so long the unit drops it when they die so you can pick it up ;3
(knightcross holders with shotgun hell yeah <3)

blackbishop wrote:
We aren't going to add the shotgun to rangers or any other vCoH unit because that would be too much

By that you mean it would be too many weapons, too much of a change, or too much work to implement?

pariah wrote:

blackbishop wrote:
We aren't going to add the shotgun to rangers or any other vCoH unit because that would be too much

By that you mean it would be too many weapons, too much of a change, or too much work to implement?

Too much of a change for sure if nothing else. This isn't a project where all the ideas you think are cool are thrown into a fun bag, as far as I understand.

Yes, i know - It's just a suggestion and recommendation, not a demand. I think it could work pretty well in game, really.

SnappingTurtle wrote:

pariah wrote:

blackbishop wrote:
We aren't going to add the shotgun to rangers or any other vCoH unit because that would be too much

By that you mean it would be too many weapons, too much of a change, or too much work to implement?

Too much of a change for sure if nothing else. This isn't a project where all the ideas you think are cool are thrown into a fun bag, as far as I understand.

Indeed.

Well, before this topic is inevitably locked, could somebody please link me to some info on these world war II shotguns? I'd love to learn more about them.

Wiki has some stuff, look around on Google, does wonders. Umm I have read some books about shotguns and how they were used, but i cant recall the name of the top of my head

You're probably more likely to find Trench Guns in a Japanese theater, like Pacific Mod.

what about creating a replacement unit which has shotguns that can replace rangers or another squad. so devs do not need to change Vanilla. ;)
if they shall replace rangers then they must have some specialties of their own.

Hee hee, rangers are pretty good against infantry ... as a blob ;)

A good "idear" would be to improve your spelling.

what about, taking the V2 rocket idea and giving the americans a cousin.
the giant homing shotgun, it flies from off-map and hunts down and kills all men in a certain radius chosen by player.

with a chance to go postal and kill every infantryman until someone kills the shotgun with a flying shark ability given to the panzer elite.

basically the shark would work like a V2 but destroy emplacements, all of them.
and the Brits would get a flying teapot, it would just sit wherever the player wanted and look cool.

Don't be daft! The Teapot should give major buffs to the Brits! ;D

The Teapots steam could be used to disturb those Krauts!  ;D

;D

just make fun of my English, there is only one way to learn it, and it is trying.

try to come up with some good suggestions so that it could get to work.

Sharks are cool but do not think they will fit in.  ;)

Your English ain't bad, mate. ;)

pariah wrote:
Your English ain't bad, mate. ;)

+1 especially since if you read it out that what "idea" sounds like, you should cut him some slack GLD :(

This guy would be at home where I live, people say Idea with an R.

Maybe we can make regular Ingenerie more effective by giving them a double-barreled shot gun upgrade or somthing? Not sure if the Russians had access to military trench guns.

Maybe they just stole the double-barreled shotguns from houses?

A double-barreled shotgun? I can't see that EVER working in warfare...

Actually the Luftwaffe used one but it was meant as a survival gun for downed pilots.

HyperSniper999 wrote:
This guy would be at home where I live, people say Idea with an R.

Maybe we can make regular Ingenerie more effective by giving them a double-barreled shot gun upgrade or somthing? Not sure if the Russians had access to military trench guns.

Maybe they just stole the double-barreled shotguns from houses?

haha they were actually better equipped than the germans once the soviet war machine got into high gear, and issued body armor too to assault troops.

pariah wrote:
A double-barreled shotgun? I can't see that EVER working in warfare...

I read this on Wiki about an Austrialian Major who used a Sawn-Off during WW1...

QuoteDuring the trench warfare of the Gallipoli Campaign, Major Stephen Midgley of the Australian 5th Light Horse Regiment was widely known to use a sawn-off double barrelled shotgun while leading his troops, the weapon's effectiveness resulting in Turkish officers complaining that it was not a 'weapon of war' under international law after Midgley took one Turkish soldier's head "clean off his shoulders". Midgley was ordered by an Australian general to cease using his shotgun and switch to a conventional rifle and bayonet, to which the Major was "bitterly peeved"

Haha, gotta love those crazy Aussies! ;D

So, erm... A Turk complained about it being too effective? And the Aussies ordered him to stop using it? Huh, that's weird... ??? Well, i guess it's nice to see such respect between enemies. I guess... :-\

pariah wrote:
A double-barreled shotgun? I can't see that EVER working in warfare...

In assault is would. Break open a door, shoot one guy with a whiff of buckshot, then the other. Re-load and keep going. It would of course be an improvised weapon, but a deadly close quarters one at that.

I was thinking the shotgun upgrade could work like this, one squad member gets it and it acts as normal rifle, but with less range (deer slug,) but it has a special attack area ability that spreads pellets across an area, killing and stunning any enemies caught in range. Sort of like the Stuart's shotgun ability.

Last edited June 26, 2011 at 10:48 PM by HyperSniper999

Reloading 1 of those things would be extremely difficult in combat situations, no?

Doble barrel sawed off shot gun sound more like case for russians... They are supposed to be severe?