WW2 Warfare Discussion thread

Long range Pwnage.

Yeah but the AK is by far the most reliable gun in the world it can get ran over by a tank and still work correctly, and because of its simple interior it can also be dropped in a barrel of water and still fire correctly.

m3 grease gun doesnt have recoil bcuz it doesnt have firepower. those things were designed to be dismantled into parts, used by paratroops, and that stuff.

I dont think it has high recoil b/c of its small bullet and its low rate of fire. Not necessarily it doesn't have stopping power. Getting hit with a bullet will stop you alright :P

But your body will keep moving due to Inertia.

But the force pushing the guy with the AK is higher than the guy with the M3(higher muzzle velocity I think). So that must be considered too

I thought we were discussing stopping power.

Just finished the dinner and I wonder what the soldiers in ww2 ate?

the ak47 is an assault rifle, and the thompson is a submachine gun. its hard to compare the two because of how they each are meant to perform different tasks. some comparisons

thompson:
-better stopping power (has a larger bullet)
-higher rate of fire
-less recoil because of less powerful cartridge
-small size and not that heavy

ak47
-better penetration (larger cartridge)
-better range
-better accuracy

submachineguns are better when used in close combat like when assaulting a bunker or when in a house, while assault rifles are better as general purpose rifle. assault guns however have replaced most submachinegun use, but special forces and other special units still prefer their use because of light weight and use in close combat

Dann88 wrote:
Just finished the dinner and I wonder what the soldiers in ww2 ate?

Soldiers in WW2 used to eated canned food. I know US soliders ate rations (Brits may have used rations too). They had special letter designations. I think regular infantry had C-rations (nicknamed c rats), air borne had K-rations and so forth. They kinda sucked but thats all they had :P. Unless you wanted to shoot and roast any anmals u found. They also had mess halls (if you were back at base) where they served regular food.

I think germans  had canned food too. But there were sometimes shortages and had to do other stuff (i remember reading a book where they ate the rats running around but the new soldiers didn't know. One kid barfed :P)

Not sure about Ruskies :P

Eventually the US army phased out rations cause they were havey and clunky and had a competion to fnd a new food unit. They decided to use the MRE (Meal Ready to Eat). It was lightweight b/c its in a tough baggy (made of a special material) and durable (can fall out of a plane with n problem). All you have to do is pur water in it and a special chemical inside heats up (extremely hot, like 200 F or 100C) so its good to eat. And I hear it taste good. They even have a vegitarian option.

thats true fish.Their not bad.Pretty good acturally.The water thing is unreal it really works.I've had german mres also.decent meals.But hey can't beat a steak.

LOL the most popular MRE is the pot roast, steak, and the egg noodle (cause thats the veggie option)

robotnik wrote:
-small size and not that heavy

idk man I held a thompson once and it was pretty damn heavy for an SMG. I would say its even heavier than an AK47

I also thought the thompson felt pretty awkward when I put it to my shoulder and aimed down the sights. But I held a Sten once and awkward doesnt even begin to describe it.

Last edited January 22, 2012 at 1:45 PM by DrRockzo1986

DrRockzo1986 wrote:

robotnik wrote:
-small size and not that heavy

idk man I held a thompson once and it was pretty damn heavy for an SMG. I would say its even heavier than an AK47

I also thought the thompson felt pretty awkward when I put it to my shoulder and aimed down the sights. But I held a Sten once and awkward doesnt even begin to describe it.

Whats wrong with the Sten ???

Fishhunterx wrote:

DrRockzo1986 wrote:

robotnik wrote:
-small size and not that heavy

idk man I held a thompson once and it was pretty damn heavy for an SMG. I would say its even heavier than an AK47

I also thought the thompson felt pretty awkward when I put it to my shoulder and aimed down the sights. But I held a Sten once and awkward doesnt even begin to describe it.

Whats wrong with the Sten ???

Though I've never shot it, the fact that the mag goes in from the left and it had a very similar body design to the MP28. It also had a large brace (grip? Not sure how to say) on the back to help "Stabilize" the gun.

I guess the Brits kept making it caue it was so cheap :P.

How come they didn't just copy the MP40? I mean the magazines are literally the same and the concept of stamped sheets of metal are the same too.

Fishhunterx wrote:
I guess the Brits kept making it caue it was so cheap :P.

How come they didn't just copy the MP40? I mean the magazines are literally the same and the concept of stamped sheets of metal are the same too.

Before America joined the war Britain were lend-leasing and purchasing huge amounts of Thompson SMGs, and when the USA joined the allies the demand for Thompsons was extreme. Britain needed a "Carbon Copy" or at least their own SMG to supplement what the US could not give them. I suppose they took what they could find.

we should probably rename this thread to /K/

Why /K/ ???. What does that stand for ???

yeah im not following that one either

/k/ is 4chan's imageboard for discussing all types of weaponry, from tanks to guns and knives. but i was just joking.

Well this was a discussion on WW2 guns and their uses and production supplies so I believe it fits the context :P. But I appreciate the joke :D

BTW I was watch a clip from the show "Band Of Brothers" and a Sherman one shotted a Jagdpanther (or SuG III,no sure) Could this really happen in RL ???

i doubt it.

But since it is a TV miniseries, Why not ;D

If I remeber that episode right ( Its both a stug and a jagdpanther I think?) The sherman could yes penentrate it. Because they are like.. 100 meters away from each other? And they are coming from the side of them. Not sure about the Jagdpanther though.

Last edited January 24, 2012 at 11:21 AM by Sommarkatze

a 75mm sherman was able to penetrate the stug IV at short range, while the 76mm could penetrate it at about normal range

75mm is incapable of penetrating the front armor of the jagdpanther at any range, but can penetrate the side armor easily at most ranges

here is a picture of a stug that was destroyed from the front by a 75mm sherman

caption: "Troops examine a knocked-out German StuG III assault gun near Cassino, 18 May 1944. Two 75mm AP rounds from a Sherman tank have neatly penetrated its front armour."

Last edited January 24, 2012 at 2:23 PM by robotnik

No in Band Of brothers a group of Shermans from 2nd armor came in to help the airborne troops. They had 75mm guns IIRC. They fired once and the StuG III exploded. Not aure about the Jagdpanther :-\

the round could have hit the ammunition, explosions are not as common as one thinks, usually it just sets a tank on fire

an interesting thing about the german panther tank is that in combat sherman's would fire at it at point blank range and it would do nothing.{spelling and not always but more often than a tank commander would like.}

conscript900 wrote:
an interesting thing about the german panther tank is that in combat sherman's would fire at it at point blank range and it would do nothing.{spelling and not always but more often than a tank commander would like.}

In the words of the COH panther crew: "Krup steel and Porshe engines! Who can defeat us?", "German Steel!"

Can I ask was the FG42 and effective weapon? Not in COh I mean in RL ::). Did it have high recoil like games suggest ???

Trannyhunterx wrote:

conscript900 wrote:
an interesting thing about the german panther tank is that in combat sherman's would fire at it at point blank range and it would do nothing.{spelling and not always but more often than a tank commander would like.}

In the words of the COH panther crew: "Krup steel and Porshe engines! Who can defeat us?", "German Steel!"

Can I ask was the FG42 and effective weapon? Not in COh I mean in RL ::). Did it have high recoil like games suggest ???

if memory serves right it was effective for its compatibility and was used often by the falschimjager.

It never got used in paradrops.

Tankbuster wrote:
It never got used in paradrops.

surprising it was built for them.

The recoil was insane at full automatic. But with the bipod it was a good universal rifle that the paratroopers liked. However it was expensive to make.

conscript900 wrote:

Tankbuster wrote:
It never got used in paradrops.

surprising it was built for them.

After taking massive losses in Crete the Germans decided against future Airborne assaults... Fallschirmjäger were basically organised into elite motorised infantry divisions afterwards, in mid 1944 they stopped receiving Paratroop training altogether. FG42 was used during the successful glider mission to save Mussolini in 1943, and was probably used in the failed attempt to capture Tito in 1944... even though it was designed to be a handy Paratrooper weapon, it didn't get used much in Paradrops... by the time it was issued, Fallschirmjäger's paradropping days were over.

Did the FG42 have the same stopping power as a Kar98? StG44? Im just curious which is better :P

And can I ask whether or not the M1903 Springfield has greater distance than the M1 Garand. For some reason, the idea of putting a scope on a Garand came to me ;D

^ from personal experience, i can say that they both perform similarly at range

Also its funny how the FG42 looks almost exactly like the american M1941 Johnson machine gun. they were both designed for similar purposes but neither design influenced the other

robotnik wrote:
^ from personal experience, i can say that they both perform similarly at range

If they have the same range then why wasn't a scope placed on a M1 Garand ???. Its semi auto which is neat and instead of loading it bullet by bullet, you stick a clip in there. And I read that US snipers really disliked the M1903 sniper variant and often used the enemies :P

Trannyhunterx wrote:

robotnik wrote:
^ from personal experience, i can say that they both perform similarly at range

If they have the same range then why wasn't a scope placed on a M1 Garand ???. Its semi auto which is neat and instead of loading it bullet by bullet, you stick a clip in there. And I read that US snipers really disliked the M1903 sniper variant and often used the enemies :P

it was used in the pacific. IIRC

I think it was used on all fronts :P. But does someone know the answer to my question ???

well you did ask if it was used ;D

In ww2 M1 garands with scopes were really really rare.However If we are going to out of the box straight rule box history I can surely think that some handy soldiers modified their M1 garands in the field and put captured scopes on them etc. What makes it easier to kill people, makes it easier to survive.

However in Korea and Vietnam they were much more common . ( Not standard rifle common but like, sniper rifle common XD)

Anybody know if the SS fallschirmjägers got their hands on fg42s btw? I know they used a various kind of equipment and uniforms but the fg42?
And I think that the Kar98 and Fg42 do have the same stoppingpower. Not identical but nearby each other. The stg44 uses a differant caliber however so I dont think so ^^

There was a Fallschirm-Panzer Division, did they have airborne tanks? ???

Dann88 wrote:
There was a Fallschirm-Panzer Division, did they have airborne tanks? ???

i dont think so, america tried to develop a airborne tank though!

America succeeded with the M22 Locust. They replaced Tetrarchs towards the end of the war.

Dann88 wrote:
There was a Fallschirm-Panzer Division, did they have airborne tanks? ???

No, but they would have had cars, trucks and halftracks :P

Was there really a tank glider or is that purely for COH gameplay ???

Of course, it's not something Relic just made up ;D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Aircraft_Hamilcar

The russian did have an litteraly flying tank XD

I need some help guys! I wounder about the Royal thai army during ww2. Like the ordinary soldier, the infantry. What kind of uniform did he wear? I know they had Adrian helmets but the uniform? Pictures would be lovely! Thanks! <3

loved the pic, sorry, i cant help you.