WW2 Warfare Discussion thread

Thanks. LOL your post count went up ^^

@Fishhunterx:
Regarding equipment left on the field of battle. One traditional method for evalualting victory in a battle has always been "who remains on the field at the end of the conflict. Recovery of equipment and plundering of the field has always been the perogative of the victor.Indeed the whole concept of plunder was a source of wealth for soldiers from times immemorial. Many "won battles" have been lost when the victorious army stopped to plunder the enemy camp rather than destroy the enemy forces.

@ Vast enemy: Thank you for the description of the Czech Hedgehogs. It should be noted that these Tank traps are only used to delay the enemy, not stop them. When backed up by dug-in Infantry, tank guns and artillery they become most potent. One of the reasons why the triple belts of hedgehogs were seemingly ineffective in the Westwall or Siegfried Line defenses was that the supporting equipment, armaments and communications systems built-in to stop the Allies during the thirties had been relocated to the Atlantic wall. Vegetation had not been cleared around defenses so that fields of fire were severely reduced or no longer extent. German troops assigned to the Westwall found the defenses to be ineffective, (particularly for want of communications equipment). Many German accounts cite that the many bunkers that would have been used in support of the hedgehogs, barbed wire, etc. were only usuable as protection from USA artillery strikes and not as a component of a coordinated defensive system.

I found 2 videos with these weird German weapons. Can someone (preferably a historian) confirm these were actually used in the field :P My favorite is the Flying panzerfaust ;D

unusual German WW2 Weapons (Part 1)

Unusual German ww2 weapons (Part 2)

That StG 45 was produced in rare numbers, but never saw combat. It was a "counter- development" to the MP 44, produced by Mauser afaik.

I know that the "Volkssturmgewehr" was produced and used, however I am not sure of these particular designs.

Never heard of the Panzerwurfmine, but I looked it up and there is a wikipedia article claiming it was used by Luftwaffe Ground Forces. It seems it's more or less the warhead of the usual Panzerfaust...

As for the second video, especially this Fallschirmjager rifle is totally new for me. But there's already a thread to the Fliegerfaust i think.

Many of those weapons didnt see action no. Simple because they were prototypes made in few numbers. Well maybe one or another for field testing or some of them for last ditch defensiv arm everybody and defend the fatherland ( volksturm and volkgrenadiers mostly)<3 XD

My ansvers are NOT to be citated as being true because I havent an proffesor title in history or anything. This is only what I have heard and read on various places on the internet and could be completly wrong about everything. But its always something XD

Panzerwurfmine did see action yes. Remember seing an German training film about differant anti tank weapons and it was in it. But it werent so popular because the whole parachute desing of it made it kind of risky because of winds and such :P

Kraummlauf I have no idea if it ever saw battles. But I wouldnt be suprised if it did in small numbers. I heard a rumor that stg44 with just those gizmos were on some elephant tanks for close infantry defensiv from inside the tank. Just twisting it around shooting because the bullet would break because of the odd barrel making it like an auto shotgun lol :P

The mkb42 rifles did see action yes. But not in large numbers.

I am having hard times believing that the Fallschirmjäger bullpup rifle did see action because it was just an prototype. However it looks awesome XD

Volksgewehr 2 and Mg45 I think no. This were made for last defense of Germany but the war was over before they could hit the field.

Walther sturm karbiner 39 I think no. There is only a blue print of it. No actuall picture. PICS OR IT DIDNT HAPPEN :P

The fliegerfaust IMO did see little action in the battle of berlin in 1945. If it was succseful or anything I dont know. I dont even know if they fired it. They probaly used all weapons they could use. But it did particapte in the battle.
Source of this is an photo from the battles of Berlin and you could see one laying on the ground.
(you see it at 2.04)


The deathray pistol. NO XD

Sommarkatze wrote:

The deathray pistol. NO XD

Actually the poster of thses vids said that the death ray article was real. Maybe not the weapon but he said there was an article for this. Probably a hoax but I want one ;D

TY for responding though  :)

The_Czar wrote:
Never heard of the Panzerwurfmine,

I think this is the AT grenade that the PE use isnt it? At least thats what the Icon looks like

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I saw a documentary (serious) on the Death Ray system that Japan was developing to defend the Home Islands. They said they'd use intense microwave beams to kill people aboard landing craft that were headed to shore. Apparently it was rejected because it used a ridiculous amount of power but would've been very effective at stopping amphibious landings.

Yeh there was a two part doco on weird weapons a few years ago. One episode for the allies, one for axis.

Apparently the Japanese high command decided pursuing the death ray concept was more feasible than an atomic program and cancelled the latter.

Hahaha irony!

I saw an article about some giant dish shaped satellite/space station germany was going to build in space that was going to be used as a means to attack from orbit using the sun (hence the name "Sonnengewher"), it was meant to be an intimidation device to force nations into surrendering but I can see the Nazis using it A LOT.


(sorry for the swastika if anyone gets offended)

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National Socialist Hubble telescope of death ;D

I have a Q. You know how the US and Britain gave alot of stuff to SU through lend lease. Did thy ever pay them back or did they just say:

"F@%K you guys, if your not a communist then Im not payng you. Besides, Im about to launch Operation Unthinkable on your ass!" - Joseph Stalin(JK)

Well technically yes, they did. The first Lend-Lease shipments were in fact payed with gold by Stalin himself (we have the order in display at some museum somewhere) And I believe they did pay it all of with gold later on, by the 1950s to be sure. Though I wouldn't have either....

neosdark wrote:
Well technically yes, they did. The first Lend-Lease shipments were in fact payed with gold by Stalin himself (we have the order in display at some museum somewhere) And I believe they did pay it all of with gold later on, by the 1950s to be sure. Though I wouldn't have either....

Where did the Soviets get so much gold from :P?

Oh a couple of places, selling excess Grain that could have been used to feed the Ukrainians during the Famine to the West, Gulags, some other less less interesting places.

neosdark wrote:
some other less less interesting places.

Like inside your house :P? I don't mean your house specifically I mean inside random Soviet houses ;D

Well sometimes, I was referring to pillaging the Germans, but ya that too.

neosdark wrote:
Well sometimes, I was referring to pillaging the Germans, but ya that too.

I didn't think Europe had that much gold to begin with :P. I know there's alot of gold in Africa, hence the gold-salt trade :P. Salty ;D. I think there's a significant amount of gold in South America ???

man they got the gold from the national banks in all the soviet union
they didnt dig it up from the earth like with mines and shit

Well most of the gold in the Soviet Union did in fact come from GULAG miners and actual organized miners (as did a significant amount of our other raw materials) and sold grain. The Soviet National bank had a gold store left over from all this (and in case you guys don't know, Siberia is  a very gold rich zone). I just double checked, in fact Stalin never did pay of all the debt, in fact in the 1980s the debt was pardoned.

Well he was dead by then so........... :P

well Kaiser wilhelm is dead too still germany payed until 2010 for WW1 :D

Pauly3 wrote:
well Kaiser wilhelm is dead too still germany payed until 2010 for WW1 :D

LOL I heard about that on the news :D

but we finished our payments
we dont owe your for WW1 anymore ;D

What about ww2 :3?

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Why is it Sherman tanks have the .50 cal MG behind the tank commander ???. In the pictures I've seen, the MG is at the back of the turret. How is anyone suppose to fire that without stepping outside ???

Here's an example:

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I think its suppost to support the infantry. You cant see really much in a tank. So when the tanks slowly goes forward with the infantry taking cover behind it. Some poor soul from the infantry ( or the tank?) is upp there handling that thing.

A pure guess XD

jup
the game is wrong the gunners where on the back of the tanks most of the time
same with the greyhound

Then how do they use it :3?

They stand back on the tanks back. Making the turret like a wall you stand behind handling the mg ^^

Sherman v Tiger Kellys Heroes

Here is a clip from Kellys heroes. ( One of my favs!) And there you see how they use it ^^

Would be redicilous cause you are more protected while sitting in the tank turret I think.

Ofc Walki! Thats absolutely true. However. The mg is placed in that way so if you are going to sitt in the turret hatch operating it. You are going to have a hard time aiming it . ( Notice that the germans had these mgs in the hatch itself making it possible to move around sitting in the hatch.)

The Sherman otherhand had it in the back or on the side of the hatch. So if the turret doesnt move in that direction it could be hard ^^

Looks like the gunner is pretty exposed :P

you try to take a pop at him while there are 50.cal bullets all around you man, real life is nothing like CoD  ;D

Thats y u ambush him :3

Do those buildings from wehrmacht and PE base on true buildings in real life? Most PE's buildings look like big ass bunkers.
If those base on real buildings, please provide some pictures, I really dont know what keyword I should use in google :P (

How about something along the lines of "German WW2 Barracks" :P. IDK if that works :-\. Or "German WW2 Depot" or even "German WW2 headquaters"

I have tried, nothing special. German barracks actually look alike most other nations' barracks. What I want to know is: those buildings in CoH was inspired from real things or they just come from Relic's creative imagination  :P

you know... paint shells FTW  8)

They're inspired more from bunkers than actual buildings, since units aren't actually constructed on the field obviously. In reality, Germans would use tents the same as US forces in the game I would imagine.

cephalos wrote:
you know... paint shells FTW  8)

I think the Americans should have this abilety ;P <3

And no. I dont think there was any factorys disguised as bunkers producing war material 1 mile from the battlefield XD

During WW2 guns such as the Bren and the MG42 have interchangeable barrels to keep the barrels from over heating :P. Vickers guns implemented water cooling system. Basically, all heavy guns had a system to prevent the guns from getting too hot :P.

But what happens when the barrels gets too hot. What will happen if the gun is literally glowing bright red but you keep firing ??? Does the metal start to warp? Does it affect the bullets? I would imagine it would make them go faster (more heat = more energy = higher velocity)

The barrel could break/crack. :>

I heard stories of machineguns blowing up in peoples faces. But thats probaly more about the cartridge malfunction or something ^^

Sommarkatze wrote:I heard stories of machineguns blowing up in peoples faces.^^

that would really suck

I would imagine 200^o barrel pieces flying in your face would indeed "suck" ^^

Scarface FTW :P. But what about AT guns and Flak 88? what if they're over heated? Can they use snow or water to cool the guns down?

If there is snow or water near you to begin with ;D. Im just curious. Would pouring water on a gun like a Flak 88 cause it to rust ???

if its red hot it will crack and become brittle

if the gun barrel is really hot and you pour water on it, the water will evaporate and go of as steam and hot drops in all directions
very dumb idea i guess

NO the barrel would cool down but it would become weak.

Its not that dumb I guess. After all there are water cooled machine guns. I think the Vickers and .30 cal guns are watr cooled. But not all of them