USSR OP vs Wehr

Joshua9 wrote:
I'm glad i'm not the only one that thinks that at gun is scary. Range seemed crazy to me, but I just kept wondering if I was imagining it and he was using the observation ability.

I like that it comes cheap, but it should be cheap quality, a stopgap against light vehicles in conjunction with ingenery mines, as a trade off for going snipers...a mild compliment in late game to everything else russia is fielding.  Poor accuracy at long range would be suitable in my opinion.  There is an upgrade after all, that could make it a more viable weapon.  Right now every game I find myself asking my friend if he got that upgrade...answer is always no.

It could definitely just be balanced with cost, but Russia has more anti vehicle capablity than any other faction.  Su-85's are very powerful if the player goes light tanks, if he wants an infantry option, for my money, I would take tank hunters over shrekked grens any day(they seem like perpetually firedup airborne teams), if he wants a tank battle, he has upgraded t34's and the IS-2's, to say nothing of doctirnal compliments.

another thing I didn't mention about the t-90 is that it will kill a puma that isn't upgunned.  Not overly fast, and I don't think its neccesarily game breaking, but every other vehicle in that upgrade will kill a puma.  It would be nice, though perhaps a loss of some continuity, if the puma didn't have to worry about a fast t-90 as much as a fast t-70.  T-90's have a powerful anti infantry role, and given the backup within their tier, are not left to twist in the wind against vehicles.  For balance, I don't overly like that a puma will have to make a retreat against these, get some repair, and a gun upgrade, and then make it back on the field just in time to deal with the vehcile's support.

1) Yes the AT gun needs some cost increase and some range nerf(its fot +5 compared to the US AT gun which isn't a huge difference unless you were facing a vet2+ AT gun, upgraded with unvetted pumas) because these were in line with the previous handicap.
Damage wise, no. It is inbetween the US AT gun and the pak without camo or AT rounds.
2)The T90 does practically the same damage to a Puma as a Puma 20mm does to an m8-Far from crazy
3)Soviets have about the same AT power as WH...for obvious reason

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I would take tank hunters over shrekked grens any day

Put mildly, that's crazy talk

I probably have to defer to you overall on that point, but from my experience I don't know...

given AT grenades and AT mines tank hunters get, and very effective anti vehicle weapons, not to mention the kind of damage they do to buildings, they seem quite well positioned as some of the best AT in the game, if they are still less general purpose and less resiliant than grenadiers.  These guys are not slow, and don't seem to have the same aiming pause issues that shrek units have. 

as to the AT gun stats, very interesting that they are between the other 2 AT guns in standard damage output, which doesn't seem that harsh.  Maybe it is all about the range.

yeah, my point about the t-90's damage to pumas wasn't so much that it was ridiculous as it just made everything in that light vehicle cue a capable counter to pumas.  Granted, and upgraded puma will beat one 1 on 1, for the loss of anti-infantry ability. 

Last edited February 3, 2011 at 10:44 PM by Joshua9

That's the whole point of upgrading pumas. When you do so, they beat all the other light vehicles. If not, they don't even scratch them. If you don't want to sacrifice AI power, build a Stug (lol) or geschutzwagon or get stormtroopers.

well yeah, I know that, but I think I was just having some real bad games where russia had an edge on me and not only had some hard hitting infantry on the field but t-90's pretty early.  After playing some more games last night, it seems like upgrading pumas when russia techs first to light vehicles is a no brainer, and that rushing and swarming a couple of those and a stug(lol) around the first su-85 is a capable way of dealing with its superior firepower.

Tank hunters are still a pain, but nebels help(obviously I've been using a lot of t-3), and yes, they don't scale like grens, so i'll come down off that rant and just say that their AT grenades still do too much damage to buildings in my opinion.