Ostheer Update 3: Infanterie Gruppen Post

The Infanterie Gruppen Post

You can recruit infantry support here. The Infanterie Gruppen Post is the backbone of your army; this building allows you to call in your early support units and basic infantry units, such as the Landser.

The Ostheer use a special new way to build their units. The Ostheer is able to switch its unit-pool for different battle-situations. The building units are divided by Light Assault(LA) units and Light Support(LS) units.

That means: each building had at least three units to select from. 1 is always buildable. An upgrade switches which of the other 2 units can currently be built, switching between Pool 1 and Pool 2 - for a price...

The units that belong to LA are the MG-34 Team and the Marksman.

The units that belong to LS are the FlaK 38 Team and the Ofenrohr Truppen.

The Landser is a neutral unit, you can recruit them whatever you choose.

Units deployable:

Landser
Role: Infantry
Weapons: 5xKar98.
Abilities: Sandbags, Grenade.
Upgrades: Feldwebel.
Summary: Early infrantry of the Ostheer... these soldiers armed with Kar98k rifles will serve you faithfully during the match. As they use those bolt rifles they are good firing at long distance, however you can promote one soldier to Sargeant w/StG44 and it's combat effectiveness in medium range will increase. They won't fair well in close combat fights.

This unit can build sandbags from scratch. Throw Grenade ability will be available when Feldwebel upgrade is researched.

Marksman
Abilities: Sneak.
Weapons: StG-44 scoped.
Upgrades: None.
Summary: The marksman wields an StG-44, has similar traits to a normal sniper except that he'll dispatch their enemies from medium/short (not long) distance and has higher rate of fire. Sneak allows the marksman to move cloaked like any other sniper, but while he's hiding he cannot fire. Remember this before engaging.

MG-34 Team
Role: Infantry Support
Weapons: 1xMG34 + 2xKar98.
Abilities: None.
Upgrades: None.
Summary: This support team carries a MG34, set on a tripod and it's crew members wields kar98ks. Ideal for supporting your landsers or/and marksman(or marksmen). Let's welcome those soviets with a rain of lead!

Ofenrohr Truppen
Role: Anti-Tank Support
Weapons:  2x Panzerschreck 43 + 2x Luger Pistole 08
Abilities: Sandbags, Reload Focus.
Upgrades: None.
Summary: Early AT infrantry of the Ostheer, they use the early version, the RPzB 43. Activating Reload Focus makes them shoot with more precision and reduces the reload time but decrease the speed of the unit and makes them more vulnerable to enemy fire. They must be stationary to fire and have the ability to build sandbags as well.

Flugabwehrkanone 38 - FlaK 38
Role: Heavy Anti-Infantry.
Weapons: 2cm Flak 38 + 2x Luger Pistole 08 (4 men in total).
Abilities: Fire Position.
Upgrades: None.
Summary: The FlaK 38 is a light anti-aircraft weapon carried by a 4 man squad, ready to support your troops as anti-infantry support. Fire position grants the weapon more precision while losing mobility... as seen on TV! (Except for the part when it dismembered some soldiers).

Upgrades available:

Light Assault
Summary: Enables the production of Marksmen and MG teams. When you active LA, the FlaK 38 and Ofenrohr Truppen are disabled.

Light Support
Summary: Enables the production of Ofenrohr Truppen and FlaK 38 teams. When you active LS, MG teams and marksmen are disabled.

You can purchase both upgrades whenever you want(as long as you have resources of course), but only one can be active at time.

Merry Christmas!

Last edited December 26, 2010 at 7:15 PM by blackbishop

I can't see any pictures! Great job btw

flak 38 teams... wow Faces of War style :D.

Really nice, now my Christmas presents are complete  ;D

Finally there are Schrecks? I thought you decided to leave them out.

But I didn't understand how the deployable Flak 38 works, is it carried or pushed or pulled?

Last edited December 24, 2010 at 6:23 PM by MaxiKing6

patronsaintescort wrote:
I can't see any pictures! Great job btw

No model was ready to be present at the deadline :(.

MaxiKing6 wrote:
Really nice, now my Christmas presents are complete  ;D

Finally there are Schrecks? I thought you decided to leave them out.

But I didn't understand how the deployable Flak 38 works, is it carried or pushed or pulled?

I thought so, but was mistaken, at least not normal shrecks but the earlier model.
It will work as the PaK 40 and similar AT teams.

blackbishop wrote:

MaxiKing6 wrote:
But I didn't understand how the deployable Flak 38 works, is it carried or pushed or pulled?

It will work as the PaK 40 and similar AT teams.

You mean PAK38 right?  :P Thanks for the explanation.

Last edited December 24, 2010 at 7:34 PM by blackbishop

MaxiKing6 wrote:

blackbishop wrote:

MaxiKing6 wrote:
But I didn't understand how the deployable Flak 38 works, is it carried or pushed or pulled?

It will work as the PaK 40 and similar AT teams.

You mean PAK38 right?  :P Thanks for the explanation.

Yeah, I meant PaK 38 :).

or maybe the PaK40 is going to be included ::) ?

cephalos wrote:
or maybe the PaK40 is going to be included ::) ?

That was my first thought, too..
I bet it will be in the next update.

A pak40 emplacment would be nice like the british 17 punder :D.

Congratulation, you are in the top 5 of MOTY  :D

will be there any changes in the 2 Infanterie Gruppen Post? I mean if you choose LA, then you see a flag, and when you choose LS then you see a radar or something, so we see what we can "summon" without clicking on it. btw nice update, and merry christmas to you guys

Just a question, if you build 2 Infanterie Gruppen Post, both have the same upgrade ? Or each Infanterie Gruppen Post has a different upgrade ?

Sounds very good, however, if it is at all possible, I would like you to reconsider the StG44 scoped. This weapon was never used. It was only tested once and then discarded for being bad at what it was supposed to do.
However, I suppose you still want this kind of "close range sniper" in? In that case, I would suggest the K98k ZF41:



With over 10 000 produced, this was the most numerous German sniper rifle. The scope only had a magnification of 1.5x, so it wasn't as effective as a long range sniper rifle, but it was perfect for a marksman to support his squad. Since the K98k model already exists, this should be possible to create, right?

Other than that, I really like how you included some older weapons into the game. It makes you feel like you command a veteran force of "front swine" ;) the new way of buying troops also sounds very interesting and will make for some complicated tactical decisions.

probably too late but in will craigs book of stalingrad iread of a group of veteran german soldiers that fought in ww1 an now they are fighting in ww2 i dont know but...


good job and merry Christmas 

nico97one wrote:
Just a question, if you build 2 Infanterie Gruppen Post, both have the same upgrade ? Or each Infanterie Gruppen Post has a different upgrade ?

They count as global upgrades. Meaning if you activate it in one IGP, all IGP will have it activated. However all IGP must have the same one active, you can't have one IGP with Pool 1 and one with Pool 2.

@Ts4EVER:
I had different information about the StG 44 with Scope (MP43/1).
My information says that this gun was used at the front line.
E.g. the Panzer-Lehr-Div. had used a small number of this
weapons during normandy battles and when such a field unit
had used scoped StG 44 why not eastern front units?

Last edited December 24, 2010 at 11:30 PM by Lord Rommel

Thanks for this Xmas present.  ;D ;D

It's AWESOME. :D :D

Lord wrote:
@Ts4EVER:
I had different information about the StG 44 with Scope (MP43/1).
My information says that this gun was used at the front line.
E.g. the Panzer-Lehr-Div. had used a small number of this
weapons during normandy battles and when such a field unit
had used scoped StG 44 why not eastern front units?

really? I never heard that. Where is that info from, cause FH2 would be very interested in that ;)

Ts4EVER wrote:

Lord wrote:
@Ts4EVER:
I had different information about the StG 44 with Scope (MP43/1).
My information says that this gun was used at the front line.
E.g. the Panzer-Lehr-Div. had used a small number of this
weapons during normandy battles and when such a field unit
had used scoped StG 44 why not eastern front units?

really? I never heard that. Where is that info from, cause FH2 would be very interested in that ;)

Almost 500,000 StG 44 was built during WW2 (43-45). I'm sure that a fairly large amount of these were equipped with some kind of scope.

Rizz wrote:

Ts4EVER wrote:

Lord wrote:
@Ts4EVER:
I had different information about the StG 44 with Scope (MP43/1).
My information says that this gun was used at the front line.
E.g. the Panzer-Lehr-Div. had used a small number of this
weapons during normandy battles and when such a field unit
had used scoped StG 44 why not eastern front units?

really? I never heard that. Where is that info from, cause FH2 would be very interested in that ;)

Almost 500,000 StG 44 was built during WW2 (43-45). I'm sure that a fairly large amount of these were equipped with some kind of scope.

Afaik the only evidence of a scope mount is this picture:



This was taken on a firing range during testing. After that the project was halted. I think some of the MK42(W) prototypes were fitted with the 1.5x scope and used in the field, but don't quote me on that.

On top of that, only the early MP43/1 version had a scope rail, once mass production started, the rail was deleted. That also hints at a discontinuation of scope use.

On axis history I found this:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=71&t=105617&start=0

QuoteThere was No sniper version of the MP.43/1 MP.43 MP.44 StG.44 series. It had been hoped that it would be possible to issue them with scopes and have a sniper version but trials showed that the mount was unstable and shot dispersion was too high.

It was also found that 8mm kurz did not have enough range for a sniper role and that the profile of the MP.43/1 was too high.

So for me that sounds like the K98k ZF41 is the better option tbh.

Last edited December 25, 2010 at 1:43 AM by Ts4EVER

Well all the other games have scopes on their stg44's  ::)

this is cool  ;D though a few things

*whats the reason behind landseer only being able to build sand bags and not barbed wire as well?

*Stg44 scoped is awasome

*Imo the support option seems better because you get both an anti tank squad and an anti infantry squad whereas witht the assault option you only get anti infanty options.

I look foward to seeing pics at some point.

pics dont open!!  :'( :'( :'(

delmar77 wrote:
pics dont open!!  :'( :'( :'(

There aren't pics yet :-[.

it said that the granade abilety ís only avaible until the feldwebel uppgrade, does this mean wha I think it means? that you have to make a  choise of getting better midrange firepower or tossing granades?

The only evidence you need:

http://forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/template/showscreenshot.php?imagename=Sturmgewehr%2044%20%28ZF%29/big.jpg&type=weaponfh2

Awesome guys!!!! Thank you!!!! :D

Nice to see some ideas, which were thrown into the ostheer thread 1/2 year ago.

hope to see some models soon  :P



Regards,

-V-

good ideas, definitly
but poorly I cannot see the pictures :(

Sorry. We had no pics at the moment.
We hope to present u pics later.

TheAllMihtyOne wrote:
it said that the granade abilety ís only avaible until the feldwebel uppgrade, does this mean wha I think it means? that you have to make a  choise of getting better midrange firepower or tossing granades?

Typo in the text, should be that grenades are available AFTER the upgrade :>

revoluzer wrote:
The only evidence you need:

http://forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/template/showscreenshot.php?imagename=Sturmgewehr%2044%20%28ZF%29/big.jpg&type=weaponfh2

;D

Nice one, but this weapon was more or less included as an easter egg kit (same as the German shotgun) and many mappers don't even use it because of it being historically inaccurate-#.

about stg 44/43 with scope:
i did some research and still can't say if it was used or not. there are some sources that say it was and others that say it wasn't.

but i think it's a cool idea and something new making the ostheer sniper unique (though i was hoping for the scoped k98 to be part of the ostheer, maybe as a reward unit or upgrade for elite infantry).

Personally i don't like the Scoped STG44 either, not that im a sucker for historical accuracy but this just feels wrong to me. And does the Ostheer really need a sniper unit?

Apart from that looks interesting can't wait to see the flak38.

Well. Thats the point ;)
The StG-44 "sniper" isnt a real sniper.
He hadnt the range of all the other CoH snipers so he would lose all 1-vs-1 situations with enemy snipers on high range.
This "sniper" is more an "anti infantry specialist"; When u dont watch your soliers he will wipe out your soldiers in a short time.
So out of my view a new kind of unit and hopefully a cool unit on the battlefield (it is one of my most favourite units during the first Ostheer alpha games with Dragon ^^).

Last edited December 25, 2010 at 7:00 PM by Lord Rommel

The Ostheer Marksman is a highly unique and fun unit in the current alpha-build, because he puts a different spin on the familiar sniper unit. He needs an automatic weapon due to his quick-firing medium-range abilities, so we felt that the StG44 was the best choice, whether it was common or not.

I think we have the K98 sniper rifle reserved for another unit ;)

WartyX wrote:
The Ostheer Marksman is a highly unique and fun unit in the current alpha-build, because he puts a different spin on the familiar sniper unit. He needs an automatic weapon due to his quick-firing medium-range abilities, so we felt that the StG44 was the best choice, whether it was common or not.

Sure but arent there enough different spins out there for the Sniper unit allready? To me a sniper in medium range = dead sniper.
But since you guys are telling me it works very well in the alpha im gonna trust you blindly and wait n see for myself.

I think the "semi-sniper" is a really good idea, but the MG42 ... I dont know, the wehrmacht already have them. What will be the difference between the 2 of them? Only the MP40/K98k, or something else?

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vadlama wrote:
I think the "semi-sniper" is a really good idea, but the MG42 ... I dont know, the wehrmacht already have them. What will be the difference between the 2 of them? Only the MP40/K98k, or something else?

SRY ... FAIL, Ostheer have MG34 teams ...

Last edited December 26, 2010 at 12:04 AM by vadlama

vadlama wrote:
I think the "semi-sniper" is a really good idea, but the MG42 ... I dont know, the wehrmacht already have them. What will be the difference between the 2 of them? Only the MP40/K98k, or something else?

Ostheer will have a MG34 rather then a MG42 that Wehrmacht has. Details on what differs is to early to tell, since it will change based on balance.

Wow, thanks for this update!  :)

I like the idea of the mid-range sniper unit, however I don't like the scoped StG44. Actually, I don't like the StG44 at all, Feldwebel wielding a MP40 would be way cooler and (probably) more authentic.  ;)

I suppose the MG34 being more like the US-MG: Accurate and deadly, but not as much suppression as the MG42. So it won't be just a "skin" for Wehr-MG-team.

Everyone keeps on tagging this StG44 unit as a sniper when it obviously isnt medium ranged sniped whatever its not just think of it as like... a solo knights cross holder BUT with the damage of a sniper.

and lower ROF

And, which is even more important, he's not immune to one-hit sniper kill.  ;D

Raider217 wrote:
Everyone keeps on tagging this StG44 unit as a sniper when it obviously isnt medium ranged sniped whatever its not just think of it as like... a solo knights cross holder BUT with the damage of a sniper.

He is not that tough ::).

blackbishop wrote:

Raider217 wrote:
Everyone keeps on tagging this StG44 unit as a sniper when it obviously isnt medium ranged sniped whatever its not just think of it as like... a solo knights cross holder BUT with the damage of a sniper.

He is not that tough ::).

Yeah he doesnt have elite armour etc etc but you wouldnt exactly send a lone rifle squad or consripts after either of them would you

wait...so when do we get the new patch and infantry

KILLTEK wrote:
wait...so when do we get the new patch and infantry

Wrong thread this is for Ostheer update not patch 1.30

i meant for the ostheer and stuff  :P

KILLTEK wrote:
i meant for the ostheer and stuff  :P

When it's done!