Ostheer Update 2: The HQ

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E.g. the "Schutzen War Camp" will be named "Infanterie-Gefechtsstand" - but this would be to heavy for the english version xD

And I thought it will be called Schützenkriegsbaracken or kind of that. Im glad to hear that real german words will represent the ostheer and no strange english-mixture-words. Infanterie-Gefechtsstand sounds much better to those who are german.
While you're at it, could you please tell us all of german building names? If they vary too from the english names. thanks.

I think native names are best suit for that appropriate localization.
I mean you would go crazy of all the russian names in russian language, unless you are well familiar with it.

German alpha names are:
Infanterie-Gefechtsstand
Panzergrenadier-Gefectsstand
Panzer-Gefechtsstand

But this could change ;)

What the hell does "Gefechtssand" mean? It hounds horrible.

A Gefechtsstand is a command post near the front line ;)

Okay now I like it. ;D

Lord wrote:
German alpha names are:
Infanterie-Gefechtsstand
Panzergrenadier-Gefectsstand
Panzer-Gefechtsstand

But this could change ;)

Thank you. But Panzer-Gefechtsstand sounds a bit strange to me.

yeahaa glad cool german names are going ftw!! 8)
i hate the Kriegsbaracken and the Sturm Armory. it is just stupid

Always the same "Gefechtsstand".

What's about "Garnison" in german it's a place where a group of units is gathered.

Panzergrenadier-Garnison

For german people who did not know here's a link:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garnison

for "Panzer-Gefechtsstand" you could use "Panzer-Kommandozentrale" or "Panzer-Kommandoposten"

Last edited December 15, 2010 at 6:27 PM by walki1

Can we give to Landsers MP40 or MP44 or FG42 or Gewehr 43 or MG34 or MG42 or PzShreck or Flamethrower or something new?? And they will have abilities like Pzfaust, or grenade or something new?

walki1 wrote:
Always the same "Gefechtsstand".

What's about "Garnison" in german it's a place where a group of units is gathered.

Panzergrenadier-Garnison

for "Panzer-Gefechtsstand" you could use "Panzer-Kommandozentrale" or "Panzer-Kommandoposten"

+1

Infanteriegefechtsstand
Panzergrendiergarnison
and for my taste
Panzerkampfkommandatur

what about this building names? full of alliterations :P

vadlama wrote:
Can we give to Landsers MP40 or MP44 or FG42 or Gewehr 43 or MG34 or MG42 or PzShreck or Flamethrower or something new?? And they will have abilities like Pzfaust, or grenade or something new?

Other units will fill those roles...

dont want to sound like a bitch but isnt it sort of OP to have advanced repairs from the start? cause you could repair the WEHR bike all over again and US cant do shit....
but then again PE luftwaffe gets it at 1CP so i am not sure.

Good point, advanced repair should be part of it's 10t Crane upgrade.

Just one question. Will the Ostheer be able to build the Schutzen-whatever from the beginning or not? In the second case, what do you do if you lose both your Landser squads? You can't capture anymore, nor build units which can capture.

Yes, the famo will build all your buildings and is built from the HQ. You just have 2 landser squads to start off with in the same way a brit starts with a recon section for your initial capping force.

What GodlikeDennis said. Famo constructs your buildings, Landser are available straight away from the Infanterie Gruppen Post.

BurroDiablo wrote:
Other units will fill those roles...

Only Kar98k? Sounds very simple. Is it this certain 4 man-squad with 2 Landsers wearing helmets and the other 2 only caps, uniform somewhat between green and grey (like the real uniform)?

Looking forward to more information on the other units.  :)

Kar98k to begin with, they have an upgrade where you can promote one to have an (look at next update to see what). Landser's fill the role of early Infantry very much like the Volks, although I would say they are slightly better in combat.

As for their looks, I don't think they are final at the moment. Any suggestions would be good, but post them in the suggestions forums.

Last edited December 16, 2010 at 2:39 PM by Rizz

Actually, for their looks: I saw a specific screenshot, tough I can't find it anymore, and thought that will be the Ost Landsers.

I hope the next update arrives soon, however you shouldn't release it too early to keep people excited. I assume you didn't find some animators yet, did you?
It would be a little bit boring to see all facts about the Ostheer being unrevealed but know at the same time that none of those lovely things will be part of Eastern Front in the near future...  ;)

Hartkeks is still about, he's doing his best to find time to animate. It's a lot to ask one person to do, some of us are going to learn how to get the animations working in game to speed things up.

Also, our Ostheer models this time round are high quality. They'll have more parts attach to them, so juggling the animations for each vehicle is a much larger task than what we did with the Soviets.

Last edited December 16, 2010 at 4:50 PM by BurroDiablo

BurroDiablo wrote:
Hartkeks is still about, he's doing his best to find time to animate. It's a lot to ask one person to do, some of us are going to learn how to get the animations working in game to speed things up.

Also, our Ostheer models this time round are high quality. They'll have more parts attach to them, so juggling the animations for each vehicle is a much larger task than what we did with the Soviets.

On the Moddb, there is a mod Modern Combat, for Company of Heroes, will be awesome. But what I want to say, there's a near 3x2h video for download to how to animate-create-extend models, I thought I look into it but in the first 5 mins I got a headace. All respect anyone who can do these things, I cannot. :)

I wonder if there are any ostheer vet infantry squads that use MP40s only or mixed up with K98ks? COH seems to down play the significance of MP40s. even though they are easy 2 use, MP40s were not only given to 'newbie' grunts, but even elite infantry like the waffen SS and falscimjager used them before StG44 was available. In fact,during the early stages of WW2,infantry combat was based around the MP40 squads providing cover 4 riflemen

+1
i think the mp40 is underused in CoH and it was very common at the eastern front.
besides it is just a cool gun
there is nothing more "nazi-german" than the mp40 and the stahlhelm
so they are nice icons

I have just 1 more question (I think) about Landsers. Can they repair? I mean bridges especially, cuz I love the maps with bridges, but if only the haltrack can repair, then you should enable to have 2 of them.

You should wait for the next ostheer announcement to answer that question ;).

vadlama wrote:
I have just 1 more question (I think) about Landsers. Can they repair? I mean bridges especially, cuz I love the maps with bridges, but if only the haltrack can repair, then you should enable to have 2 of them.

No. They cant repair. Please wait for the next updates. Speculations wont help here ^^

Let me guess - Sturmpioniere?

khaitheman222 wrote:
I wonder if there are any ostheer vet infantry squads that use MP40s only or mixed up with K98ks? COH seems to down play the significance of MP40s. even though they are easy 2 use, MP40s were not only given to 'newbie' grunts, but even elite infantry like the waffen SS and falscimjager used them before StG44 was available. In fact,during the early stages of WW2,infantry combat was based around the MP40 squads providing cover 4 riflemen

I agree. I don't know if they were as widely distributed as you think but I do think the fact that they are automatic should give them a bit more supressing fire in the ostheer.

Griptonix wrote:

khaitheman222 wrote:
I wonder if there are any ostheer vet infantry squads that use MP40s only or mixed up with K98ks? COH seems to down play the significance of MP40s. even though they are easy 2 use, MP40s were not only given to 'newbie' grunts, but even elite infantry like the waffen SS and falscimjager used them before StG44 was available. In fact,during the early stages of WW2,infantry combat was based around the MP40 squads providing cover 4 riflemen

I agree. I don't know if they were as widely distributed as you think but I do think the fact that they are automatic should give them a bit more supressing fire   ??? in the ostheer.

Read some books, man - MP 40 are nothing ever close to PPSh in means of accuracy, reliability, rate of fire, you name it!  :-*

IJoe wrote:

Griptonix wrote:

khaitheman222 wrote:
I wonder if there are any ostheer vet infantry squads that use MP40s only or mixed up with K98ks? COH seems to down play the significance of MP40s. even though they are easy 2 use, MP40s were not only given to 'newbie' grunts, but even elite infantry like the waffen SS and falscimjager used them before StG44 was available. In fact,during the early stages of WW2,infantry combat was based around the MP40 squads providing cover 4 riflemen

I agree. I don't know if they were as widely distributed as you think but I do think the fact that they are automatic should give them a bit more supressing fire   ??? in the ostheer.

Read some books, man - MP 40 are nothing ever close to PPSh in means of accuracy, reliability, rate of fire, you name it!  :-*

He never stated that the MP 40 is better than the PPSH, he simply asked if the MP 40 could be a bit more used in the Ostheer. Accurate or not, if an MP40 starts firing at you, you'll hit the floor, either dead, wounded, or trying to prevent the former two.

IJoe wrote:

Griptonix wrote:

khaitheman222 wrote:
I wonder if there are any ostheer vet infantry squads that use MP40s only or mixed up with K98ks? COH seems to down play the significance of MP40s. even though they are easy 2 use, MP40s were not only given to 'newbie' grunts, but even elite infantry like the waffen SS and falscimjager used them before StG44 was available. In fact,during the early stages of WW2,infantry combat was based around the MP40 squads providing cover 4 riflemen

I agree. I don't know if they were as widely distributed as you think but I do think the fact that they are automatic should give them a bit more supressing fire   ??? in the ostheer.

Read some books, man - MP 40 are nothing ever close to PPSh in means of accuracy, reliability, rate of fire, you name it!  :-*

Nowhere is the PPSH mentioned....No one is saying it isn't a phenominal sub-machine gun. Germans picked it up and used it frequently because when they needed them there were always plenty of them on the ground  :P

No need to be an ass. What I meant is that MP 40 can't be made even more effective, than it is right now, for that would look plain stupid if it overpowers PPSh. Obvious, isn't it? Just takes a little thinking - try it for a change. ::)

Remember that Oshteer is still in Alpha... some changes could happen ;)

IJoe wrote:
No need to be an ass. What I meant is that MP 40 can't be made even more effective, than it is right now, for that would look plain stupid if it overpowers PPSh. Obvious, isn't it? Just takes a little thinking - try it for a change. ::)

Just takes a sense of humor - try picking up on the blatant sarcasm for a change ;)

Griptonix wrote:

IJoe wrote:
No need to be an ass. What I meant is that MP 40 can't be made even more effective, than it is right now, for that would look plain stupid if it overpowers PPSh. Obvious, isn't it? Just takes a little thinking - try it for a change. ::)

Just takes a sense of humor - try picking up on the blatant sarcasm for a change ;)

Gosh, you're so resourceful! But what was the point of your sarcasm, may I ask? Mine, at least, had one. 8)

Are you serious? I said that the Germans often picked up the ppsh because they thought as I do that it was a phenominal sub-machine gun. Then I added that when someone wanted a ppsh there were often plenty lying on the ground, because you do know that the soviets took a large number of casualties on the eastern front right and often when someone dies on the field of battle, they tend to drop the gun that they were using when they were alive. Honestly, this is insulting to anyones intelligence to have to go through this much trouble to explain a simple concept.

Griptonix wrote:
Are you serious? I said that the Germans often picked up the ppsh because they thought as I do that it was a phenominal sub-machine gun. Then I added that when someone wanted a ppsh there were often plenty lying on the ground, because you do know that the soviets took a large number of casualties on the eastern front right and often when someone dies on the field of battle, they tend to drop the gun that they were using when they were alive. Honestly, this is insulting to anyones intelligence to have to go through this much trouble to explain a simple concept.

Of course it is. Well, isn't it?
The point of my first sarcastic notice that PPSh is way better than MP 40 was to outline that improving the battle performance of the letter would be ridiculous.
The point of my second sarcastic notice was to make you understand the point of the first one.
The point of yours, as I concluded from your broad explanation, was a silly description of war realm, and an offending one. As if I were to say: "Hell, those germans burn like candles every time katiusha (aka Stalin's organ) fires at them" (by the way, I heard such a description of that by the one, who actually saw it with his own eyes). However, I didn't bring myself that low.

Cheers!

EDIT: Sorry, you're right, Blackbishop. No more mucking here will be performed by me on that matter.  :-[

Last edited December 28, 2010 at 6:51 PM by IJoe

Could you stop arguing about that in this topic? You can open a new one in the correct section or just use pm instead of going off-topic.

IJoe, what are talking about mate? He simply said they were more widespread than CoH represents so the Ostheer should have more troops using MP40s. He didn't suggest that they increase the combat effectiveness of them, or that they're better than PPShs. Obviously the Soviets did have many of them on the ground because Soviet industry allowed whole battalions to be equipped with it. By all accounts, the Soviets took huge casualties on the Eastern front, as did the Germans, and there were loads of them to be found.

There was nothing inflammatory about what he said.

GodlikeDennis wrote:
IJoe, what are talking about mate? He simply said they were more widespread than CoH represents so the Ostheer should have more troops using MP40s. He didn't suggest that they increase the combat effectiveness of them, or that they're better than PPShs. Obviously the Soviets did have many of them on the ground because Soviet industry allowed whole battalions to be equipped with it. By all accounts, the Soviets took huge casualties on the Eastern front, as did the Germans, and there were loads of them to be found.

There was nothing inflammatory about what he said.

OK, I admit I was wrong, and strew ashes over my overheated head. I bring him my sincere apologies, and promise you all, I'll try to be more patient and attentive, while reading others' posts.

IJoe wrote:
OK, I admit I was wrong, and strew ashes over my overheated head. I bring him my sincere apologies, and promise you all, I'll try to be more patient and attentive, while reading others' posts.

Good then lets make like a Banana and MOVE ON. Oh and back to OT

Sorry guys, i didnt think my post would cause all these ruckus...
@GodlikeDennis yes that was wat i was trying to say,thx.
besides, iagree that the MP40 did not have the stopping power 0f the PPSH or the "Chicago typewriter" AKA thopmson smg, but it was definately acurrate even though it quote:"could only fire in fully automatic" as compared to the SMGs of WW2. heres a vid..
sten vs mp40
Once again, i apologize 4 creating such a misunderstanding
cheers and happy new year frm Singapore!:):)

Last edited January 3, 2011 at 8:51 AM by khaitheman222

when will the ostheer released? if it released, do i have to download again the said patch or I just have to update the ostheer from the eastern front that i had. please emai8l the answer at [email redacted] thanks. I like the modd and thank you that there will be an eastern front in company of heroes and I totally enjoy it.

its done when its done.