Buildable Arty for the Ostheer?

Spieel wrote:
^^ My guess would be he is talking about the luftwaffe's flak 88.
At least that's the only static arty for PE i can think of.

Not exacly artillery though, it plays a AT/AA role in CoH. But I totally agree with you brother

I have never used the artillery base as the British, Americans, or Russians because it is a total waste. One salvo and the base gets crapped on by everything that can lob a round into the fog of war. The Hummel, Katyusha, Priest is the way to go and exactly what I would want to see in the Ostheer.

I see where youre coming from, but if they could make the Field piece have more range than the mobile units, it would kinda even out the match.

Griptonix wrote:
I have never used the artillery base as the British, Americans, or Russians because it is a total waste. One salvo and the base gets crapped on by everything that can lob a round into the fog of war. The Hummel, Katyusha, Priest is the way to go and exactly what I would want to see in the Ostheer.

I've played once with brit, against my friend, and a bit hard, but fun to play. The RCA doctrines have their advantages and disadvantages, like any other doctrine.

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8.8 cm raketenwrefer?
http://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints/weapons/weapons/31036/view/8_8cm_raketenwerfer_43_%28puppchen%29_%2B_fallschirmjager/

http://vincesgallery.smugmug.com/History/empty/1331090_qRzEw#62773616_ybwsf

Last edited September 2, 2010 at 9:44 PM by TheReaper

Griptonix wrote:
I have never used the artillery base as the British, Americans, or Russians because it is a total waste. One salvo and the base gets crapped on by everything that can lob a round into the fog of war. The Hummel, Katyusha, Priest is the way to go and exactly what I would want to see in the Ostheer.

Really?  When utilized by experienced players, the artillery emplacements can be absolutely devastating.  I'm pretty much out of the loop as of new strats and top players, but I remember tons of replays where the Axis would be at the mercy of Allies artillery supremacy.

That being said, I don't think the Axis should have as much access to artillery as the Allies do just because their nature of play is supposed to be different than the Allies.  True, the Americans only have the 105 as artillery, and it's doctrine specific, but that whole dynamic changed when the British arrived.  The Hummel is doctrine specific but besides that the Axis lack in readily available artillery.  The Stuka is great, but that costs munitions so it's on a different level.

Last edited September 3, 2010 at 9:10 PM by Nubrannosaurus

TheReaper wrote:

Griptonix wrote:
I have never used the artillery base as the British, Americans, or Russians because it is a total waste. One salvo and the base gets crapped on by everything that can lob a round into the fog of war. The Hummel, Katyusha, Priest is the way to go and exactly what I would want to see in the Ostheer.

I've played once with brit, against my friend, and a bit hard, but fun to play. The RCA doctrines have their advantages and disadvantages, like any other doctrine.

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8.8 cm raketenwrefer?
http://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints/weapons/weapons/31036/view/8_8cm_raketenwerfer_43_%28puppchen%29_%2B_fallschirmjager/

http://vincesgallery.smugmug.com/History/empty/1331090_qRzEw#62773616_ybwsf

Is that supposed to be a paradropped mini-hopwitzer?

No, Hypersniper the 8.8cm Raktenwerfer is bassicly a Panzerschreck on an artillery carrige, and was used by Falschirmjagers on one of their raids with success, but they were built in small numbers because German High Command realized that a Bazooka like system (aka what the Panzerschreck was based of) would be more effective and mobile.

I agree that they should have buildable arty and have a mobile howitzer thing.

Yes, buildable arty since im bored of those static emplacements the Soviets, British and Americans by Doctrine have!Wespe or Grille would be a great addition! :)

Question is what buildable mobile artillery? leFH18 (18/40) should be in an emplacement, because it was definatly much too heavy to be pushed around.
I suggest 7.5cm leIG 18 or 7.5cm IG 37, since those two weight around 500-600 kilo and therefore could actually be transported by soldiers.

hey Aouch. Check out medium tank discussion.
Since we've been talking so much about Pz3 to StuG3
conversions, I accidentally was looking at some Forgotten
Hope 2 web page that explained that Wespe is a Pz2
conversion. We were discussing about a Puma refit that
didn't include upgrading to a 50mm AT gun. (Going in
a different direction from the Puma+). And this just fits!

How about a Pz2 to Wespe (Priest) conversion
but that fires 3 shots instead of 6?
The Priest is a Sherman conversion for 8pop to 12pop.
The Puma is 4 pop. Let's make Pz2 a 4 pop to 6 pop
Wespe conversion! :D

Mhhh. While I have to say it would make some sense to have Pz2 convert into something like the Pz3, I think here it's much more difficult.

Stug3 and Pz3 are both based on the same chassis, whereas the Pz2 we are going to see in EF is a "Luchs", which looks totally different to the chassis Wespe, Marder etc. are built on.
PzII  Luchs  Wespe  Marder

Also Pz3 and Stug3 are both in some way or the other a "tank" and Stug3 is at least in our suggestion the successor of the Pz3.
The Luchs however is a recon-vehicle early-game and therefore won't be produced ingame in greater amounts like the Pz3, then the Wespe is a mid/late-game-vehicle. At this point you'll barely see Pz2-wrecks laying of over the battlefield. (That's in my opinion the biggest point which speaks against it)
Another thing is that Pz3 and Stug3 are about the same price (Stug3 being a little bit cheaper). Pz2 is lowprice and Wespe should be expensive.

So in the end, I see some problems here. 

Last edited September 12, 2010 at 11:35 PM by Aouch

We're discussing about putting unit conversion at the soul
of OstHeer.

PzIII becomes StuGIII.
PzII will be in-game. Wespe TOO is added.
Wespe *IS* a PzII conversion.

Yup. PzIII and StuGIII are about same price
(StuGIII is actually cheaper)

PzII is cheap.
I never said PzII had to be cheap.
Make it an expensive conversion.
Make the technology upgrade expensive.
Put a cap on it.
Make Wespe 1/2 Priests
(3 shots instead of 6).

  I think they should be buildable as well as convertable.
The real issue is how important we want them to be
Artillery-wise.

Well, if we consider the Wasp's Inportence INRL, Then..

A: Should be a Nerfed Hummel, Weaker than the current mobile arty (Hummel & Priest)
B: Most of your points.
C: Put a cap of 2.
D: Give quite long range
E: Damnage of  a 25-Pounder
F: Give it the 88mm Arty, not the 150mm.

Eh. Actually, I was hoping for it to NOT be part of a doctrine.
I'd like to use it as a kind of Stuka-HT. As for the damage/range/
etc. That's easy.
Priest is 105mm.
Howitzer is 105mm.
Wespe is 105mm.

Give it a cap of 2, 3 or 4. Depending. Maybe 2, but with doctrine
allowing to make more? (And to shoot more shots?) +1 to 4.

Have it fire 3 times to the Priest's/Howi's 6.
Same range, same damage.

Priest is Sherman (8pop) to (12pop) Priest.
Howi is 12 pop.

Make the PzII (4pop) and the Wespe (6pop)
to a logical conclusion of 3 shots per salvoe.

I'd like either Wesp, Nebelwerfer Halftracks or buildable emplacments. I'm not too picky really.

I'd like Wespe and Gustav ;)
- Nebelwerfer half Track?? What's that?
- Buildable emplacements would be nice, too.

Loupblanc wrote:
[...]Nebelwerfer half Track?? What's that?[...]

guess he' refering the "panzerwerfer 42"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerwerfer

Ghost wrote:

Loupblanc wrote:
[...]Nebelwerfer half Track?? What's that?[...]

guess he' refering the "panzerwerfer 42"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerwerfer

Yes I was, thank you.

panzerwerfer 42 "maultier" in game :P,is a good option.

Looks neat :P

Looks great :)

As for the PanzerWerfer? woah, it looks great.
It's in Codename Panzer, Man of War, it'd be nice for it to be in
COH_EF_OstHeer. I'd like to see Wespe more, though. Much more
of them built during the war ;)

Perhaps both? One buildable (Wespe)
and one doctrinal (PanzerWerfer) ? It certainly looks doctrinal.

Wespe, Grille, Panzerwerfer.. i like 'em all tbh. :P

I'd like a truck/trailer with a moveable PAK88...
The Germans had one in WW2/East.
Did wonders to blow up soviet tanks en masse.

Loupblanc wrote:

I'd like a truck/trailer with a moveable PAK88...
The Germans had one in WW2/East.
Did wonders to blow up soviet tanks en masse.

That might be hard to code, think I saw somewhere that animating a trailer might be
troublesome. (think it was in a discussion for a towed pak) btw I think balance wise it
could cause some problems as well.

Paciat wrote:

GodlikeDennis wrote:
For some reason I really liked the pentagonal German arty emplacements from one of the ToV campaigns. It looked pretty cool.

I would say firebase non-doctrine and wespe call-in in one of the doctrines.

Ostheer skouldnt have decrewable weapons. No mortars, no HMGs (LMG 34 squad with no ammo cost would be great), no PAKs. A firebase with stats compareble to 25lbs sould be a great non doctrinal arti.
Wespe is a great idea too. More shells but less damage and range than Hummel.

Why no Hmgs the Heavy mg 42 is only used in the whermacht and is such a crucial unit for the axis. Im sure that the eastern axis forces used mortars, ats and hmgs alot anyway.

Wehrmacht does have an Artillery Cannon, but it's not available in game, you can spawn and use it in cheatmod though. Perhaps you could allow the Ostheer to build that?

Fementedbeancurd wrote:
Why no Hmgs the Heavy mg 42 is only used in the whermacht and is such a crucial unit for the axis. Im sure that the eastern axis forces used mortars, ats and hmgs alot anyway.

Recrew bug.

I thought Relic was helping them with that?

When has Relic ever delivered?

I don't think they actually said they were going to either, or even acknowledged that they received the dev's help list.

I think he might be refering to the RSO...a Pak40 75mm, or PaK 43 88mm on the chasis of a Halftrack or Opel Blitz.

GodlikeDennis wrote:
When has Relic ever delivered?

I don't think they actually said they were going to either, or even acknowledged that they received the dev's help list.

Yes, actually you are pretty close to what actually happened.

They asked for a list and after devs gave it, absolute silence... The only thing we can do is wait and not giving up our hopes.

blackbishop wrote:

GodlikeDennis wrote:
When has Relic ever delivered?

I don't think they actually said they were going to either, or even acknowledged that they received the dev's help list.

Yes, actually you are pretty close to what actually happened.

They asked for a list and after devs gave it, absolute silence... The only thing we can do is wait and not giving up our hopes.

Without hope..... what will we have left? ;)

You know what I wanna see?  Thor Artillery.  ;D  As an end tree tech.  Like the man said, PE already have the Hummel, let's build us an extreme artillery battery like the arty equivalent of the Jagdtiger.  Something outrageous to smash the entrenched Russian defenses!

WW2 - German heavy artillery: Schwerer-Gustav 800mm (1942)

http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/ttt08/new-german-heavy-artillery.html

I wonder how many times the Gustav has been brought up and shut down in these forums now...

obvious troll is obvious