Buildable Arty for the Ostheer?

Poll says it all.

I think it should be an emplacement like the Brits and Soviets, besides, a model for it already exists.
Not understanding why people want another SPG, PE already has a Hummel.

My 'Breach Assault Arty' has 2 Wespe's and a Brummbahr; I think that Call-In would be the best. Not quite as damaging as the Hummel but a tad more mobile. Building it as a static emplacement would take away from the OH's mobility. Anyone agree with me on this last point?

Why not following the soviets example? A buildable static howitzer (with a some restricions of course) and a doctrinal sturmartillerie unit?

Everybody wins

For some reason I really liked the pentagonal German arty emplacements from one of the ToV campaigns. It looked pretty cool.

I would say firebase non-doctrine and wespe call-in in one of the doctrines.

This  :D

http://forums.relicnews.com/showthread.php?t=233281

Either as an emplacement or able to be dragged around like the US one, I wouldn't really mind.

Cheers

I would like to see both LeFH and Wespe in game. One buildable and another doctrine specific call-in.

I prefer this :P

Wow! Sturmtiger rocks! :D

But I like the idea to see an artillery firebase like the USA ToV campaign (It's the same of Blitzkrieg mod) or like the Soviet/British faction.

Sturmtiger is Western Front only pretty much, and would make an excellent replacement unit for the hummel in my opinion.

GodlikeDennis wrote:
Sturmtiger is Western Front only pretty much, and would make an excellent replacement unit for the hummel in my opinion.

yeah it probaly would but PE has allready got the Jagdpanzer IV as a reward unit.. that means the next PE reward unit would have to be buildable and not doctrinal.

another one,grille

hernan wrote:
another one,grille

What are they though besides Marders with a fancy gun and artillery abillity?
Except for the Sturmtiger, that one's cool.

I'd prefer mobile artillery (like the Grille or the Wespe), for obvious practical reasons.

Crew-served infantry weapons and emplacements can't be re-manned. That, plus the Ostheer was all about mobility and tactical flexibility. Mobile arty would make the most sense.  ;)

GodlikeDennis wrote:
For some reason I really liked the pentagonal German arty emplacements from one of the ToV campaigns. It looked pretty cool.

I would say firebase non-doctrine and wespe call-in in one of the doctrines.

Ostheer skouldnt have decrewable weapons. No mortars, no HMGs (LMG 34 squad with no ammo cost would be great), no PAKs. A firebase with stats compareble to 25lbs sould be a great non doctrinal arti.
Wespe is a great idea too. More shells but less damage and range than Hummel.

Last edited August 14, 2010 at 2:18 PM by Paciat

I dont care at all, as long as its obsteer and balanced, throw it i.

I think that Ostheer need  Self-Propelled Arty like Wespe

luz777 wrote:
This  :D

http://forums.relicnews.com/showthread.php?t=233281

Yeah, and horses can pull it. ^ ^

Im still stuck on the idea that there should be a towable arty piece for the ostheer. They had many on the eastern front.  8)

Yea, Wespe would be great.

Seeme wrote:
Yea, Wespe would be great.

+1.

blackbishop wrote:

Seeme wrote:
Yea, Wespe would be great.

+1.

+1

In general each faction should really have access to at least some kind of arty support larger than the standard mortar, the Ostheer should be no exception. 

+1 The wespe would be an increadible addition to any german faction.

Well I'm glad we got that established...

Wespe or Sturmtiger http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wespe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmtiger

Well...again; Sturmtiger had never served at the eastern front - so out of my view this unit wont be part of the Ostheer - like Jagdtiger or Jagdpanther or other weapons which had never saw combat against the red army.

So its wespe!

It should have low amour, right?

Seeme wrote:
So its wespe!

It should have low amour, right?

Havent say that we will use any self propelled gun for the Ostheer. I have just said that Ostheer wont use an unit that had never fought on the eastern front.

Ok. But if you are going to add it, would it have bad amour?

If the Ostheer were to include a buildable artillery piece or a mobile infantry gun such as the 7.5cm leichtes Infanteriegeschütz 18, would there be any problems with recrewing?

Griptonix wrote:
If the Ostheer were to include a buildable artillery piece or a mobile infantry gun such as the 7.5cm leichtes Infanteriegeschütz 18, would there be any problems with recrewing?

The same as the soviets :(.

blackbishop wrote:

Griptonix wrote:
If the Ostheer were to include a buildable artillery piece or a mobile infantry gun such as the 7.5cm leichtes Infanteriegeschütz 18, would there be any problems with recrewing?

The same as the soviets :(.

Well then the Wespe makes more sense than LeFH, though id like to see them both...

Well, as widely used on the eastern front as the wespe was, i dont see why it shouldnt be in the game as a buildable, docrinal,or bonus unit. It should have its place in the game somwhere.

Now correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Lord Rommel come out with his idea for the Ostheer that included a Flak 30 2cm infantry gun? Wouldn't that get hit with the recrewing bug or is it simply a redesign of a former unit?

Well. Think we discuss here about artillery for the Ostheer ;)

@Griptonix: Jeah. My old concept used a 2cm Flak but this is irrelevant because this is an old concept. When i wrote this concept i wasnt informed about this problem.

All in all i think this recrewing problem is no reason for adding or not adding an artillery gun. There are other ways to reinforce such a gun. Think of the red army! A ZiS anti-tank gun near a foxhole and u can reinforce your gun crew. Think that such a method would work for the Ostheer, too.

Last edited August 25, 2010 at 2:59 PM by Lord Rommel

QuoteAll in all i think this recrewing problem is no reason for adding or not adding an artillery gun. There are other ways to reinforce such a gun. Think of the red army! A ZiS anti-tank gun near a foxhole and u can reinforce your gun crew. Think that such a method would work for the Ostheer, too.

Yeah thats right. So i think that both LeFH and Wespe should get their place ingame. One as buildable emplacement and other as a doctrinal call-in. P.s.: did i saw word foxhole? ...i didnt seen any such structure in EF, maybe there is some new stuff, or is it just another name for Outpost?

flak 30? Is it this gun in Saving Priv Ryan?

Jeah. Foxhole is the outpost. Think that this was the first name for this structure  ;D

@Cephalos:
Jupp. U can see a 2cm Flak 30 in "shaving privat ryan" ( i dont like this damn movie... ).

Lord wrote:
Jeah. Foxhole is the outpost. Think that this was the first name for this structure  ;D

@Cephalos:
Jupp. U can see a 2cm Flak 30 in "shaving privat ryan" ( i dont like this damn movie... ).

"shaving privat ryan" XD
Göbbels would be proud for that film.

Field unit (Like the American Artillery unit) that would be awesome!!!

TheReaper wrote:

Lord wrote:
Jeah. Foxhole is the outpost. Think that this was the first name for this structure  ;D

@Cephalos:
Jupp. U can see a 2cm Flak 30 in "shaving privat ryan" ( i dont like this damn movie... ).

"shaving privat ryan" XD
Göbbels would be proud for that film.

What?!?
If you watched shaving private ryan or basically any world war two movie made recently you would think that the Germans were a bunch of little girls when it came to fighting. There are only a few movies that do the Germans even close to justice. I dont think the  Reich Minister of Propaganda would be very pleased with that movie.

He was being sarcastic...

In my opinion it  should be mobile to counter soviet infantry and katiushas (don't know the spelling).

Nobody seemed to pick up on the fact that Rommel misspelled saving by calling the movie "Shaving Private Ryan". Should've called it "Shaving Ryan's Privates" :).

Jeah. I hate this damn movie and so i call it "Shaving Privat Ryan" xD
When german soldiers would have fought like u can see at this movie the Wehrmacht had never win against poland.

So; Back to mobile artillery!
Ostheer need something to crush down enemy defence by indirect fire. Think that is a fact everyone know.
The main question is the firepower or the power of Ostheer's artillery. Should it be like a standart mortar or would it be possible to implement something stronger without destroying faction balancing.

Lord wrote:
Jeah. I hate this damn movie and so i call it "Shaving Privat Ryan" xD

Or, Shaving Ryans Privates... :-X

well, the Ostheer should get the same as the PE: 1 commander that provide mobile arty, and another 1 that provide static arty,
about the firepower:
depends on what it is, keep it realistic:
a wespe shouldn't have the firepower of a mortar, and a mortar not the firepower of a wespe

Last edited August 30, 2010 at 3:23 PM by FatalFlashBack

Which one provides static artillery???

^^ My guess would be he is talking about the luftwaffe's flak 88.
At least that's the only static arty for PE i can think of.

Griptonix wrote:

TheReaper wrote:

Lord wrote:
Jeah. Foxhole is the outpost. Think that this was the first name for this structure  ;D

@Cephalos:
Jupp. U can see a 2cm Flak 30 in "shaving privat ryan" ( i dont like this damn movie... ).

"shaving privat ryan" XD
Göbbels would be proud for that film.

What?!?
If you watched shaving private ryan or basically any world war two movie made recently you would think that the Germans were a bunch of little girls when it came to fighting. There are only a few movies that do the Germans even close to justice. I dont think the  Reich Minister of Propaganda would be very pleased with that movie.

I haven't got the space to explain basic filmmaking technics here, and nor my english not good enough to do it, so I'm gone sarcastic. Anyway, if you want to see a perfect Göbbels-like propaganda movie, see the "Starship Troopers". ;P

For Ostheer I think they have to have an artillery like the brits, becouse the other german factions don't have. Or make some special ability, make it different to the others in the game. Or infantry get special ability to drop flare to give spot for the artillery.