PE vs Russians

Paciat wrote:

AbhMkh wrote:
why don't you try running the Bergetiger over the Russian infantry??


You see , in the 1.2 patch , the PE can lend lease a nuclear bomb from the Americans , the nuclear bomb will either be mounted on a pz 4 and can be driven straight into the russian base where the panzer-grenadiers can detonate it "For the fatherland !! you vodka drinking swine!!!!!"

or the bomb can be put into a henshel me 91 and driven straight into the russian base building in kamikaze style

Thts it , when there will be no base there wont be infantry or any t-34's or is2's

and hence the panzer elite wins...

PE sucks. ;D
They wont get nothing exept a JagdpanzerIV.

What would you rather have when seeing a T-34.. A Wehrmacht Panzer IV or a PE Jagdpanther? :D

GodlikeDennis wrote:
PE have a massive weakness against vehicles. This is true against all armies and is a deficit in the PE faction design. I personally think marders are absolutely awful so I go T2-4-3 usually, getting AT halfs crossed with shreks in halftracks. It also puts me on an excellent path for Panthers in the long run if I need them.

marders locked down will absolutley destroy russian armor. Its as if they get a special bonus or something? Anyways an unsuspecting is-2 is no match for 2 marders. It will kill him before he even knows where its coming from...........

Ohh really the how about a zis 2 firing on your marders :P , no russian player is foolish enough to send out 600 mp and 120 fuel alone ;)

Marders are terrible in 1v1s. They cost far too much fuel and have too slow a turning rate to be effective. Anyone with a brain can circle your marder and destroy you and they cost too much fuel in a fuel burning faction to be mass produced.

Like every other PE unit they are too specialized meaning you need to have 2-3 units always to do one job...
So you can't have just marder for AT or just grens for AT or just At halftrack. You need to have two of these together at all times to work

Marders and the JagdPanther are fantastic units vs Russian armor, Ive never 1v1 a Russian, but 2v2-4v4 PE Tank Destroyer doc is fantastic, the APS upgrade (from the Doctrine) clearly gives German armor an advantage when they get this. Then once you get 2-3 marders supported by G43s, theres not much that can threaten you...and the BergeTiger driving behind....GG. (Ive been able to get this several times while playing vs Russians, and the Russian players were actually pretty skilled)

For me Luftwaffe with T2-T3 seems best in 1v1, [EF version 1.21]


            Added replay also.

Marders are very effectively countered by , AT guns that is mobile AT guns , the armor on the marder is very in fact it is vulnerable to even the ap rounds fired by 30 cal

& I'm truly delighted when my PE opponent chooses Luftwaffe doctrine , its fun to crush him with so much ease , its the weakest of all PE doctrines and is easily countered by all american doctrines and by british commando and churchill doctrine

There is no weak doctrines, or something like that , All of three PE doctrines are very useful and good , You cant witstand PE's 88 with your damn AT , Luftwaffe totaly dominates especialy then oponent choses armor(Americans), fast churchil can be stopped very easily And perfect use of wirbelwind Really helps destroying enemy infantry ,... Also Falshirmjagers are perfect against special enemy units like Airborne , Rangers , Commandos,....

:) :) :) How many games have you played ???


The PE lf doctrine is generally useful, on smaller maps but i love to earn free vet by killing those poor LGF's with my AC's/rangers/airborne/commandos/churchills and so on , Fjager are useful only against infantry , against armor they are useless as hell

88 is built late in to the game expert players wont even give you an opportunity to build one :P

Look at EXITCIASTEK replays , he usualy does luftwaffe and he is nr.1 PE player.

In my opinion, luftwaffe is actually the best PE doctrine. I usually play scorched though for booby trap fun.

Lf doctrine is good only on 2,4,6 player maps , on8 player and larger 4 and 6 player , I could bet a thousand pounds tht its useless

You kidding? All a luft player has to do is spam Panthers and Falls. Henschel actually gets some use in 4v4s and the Flak is excellent (although an arty target). Who really cares about 4v4s anyway?

luftwaffe is weak in early game tactics , the lgf squads can easily be countered by early game axis infantry , its only a matter of time before u vet up and ....

Who the hell builds LGF for combat???

LHS first for falls is what I'm talkin' bout.

Ohh really falls too get easily beaten by AC's ,, tommy rangers and snipers and wht not

Of course, those are standard infantry counters. Falls happen to dominate every other infantry though. They excel at long range as well, which makes them more useful than short range troops. Falls will usually beat rangers from ambush as well.

I personally play luftwaffe when i have to defend , for offence i find the armored doctrine more useful whereas i rarely use the scorched earth


Fall are easily suppressed by mg's and you can have bar rifles or tommy rangers to finish them off

That isn't limited falls of course, this happens with any infantry. In fact, falls have a reasonably good chance of beating an MG front on. TD is only useful because the base faction PE has an inherent weakness against vehicles. TD covers this up but isn't anything spectacular on it's own. Scorch requires some micro but when every point on the map is booby trapped, and specifically wired off so he can't avoid it, you can create a steady manpower drain on your opponent for no cost of your own. It also changes his mindset in the battle, which can give you a mental edge (I study psychology).

The fact is, that falls have excellent guns, are cheaper to reinforce than PGs, start with 4 men and have an excellent passive ability in their ambush. They are fantastic troops. You can't just state something like, "Falls lose to tanks, they mustn't be good". You have to use them for their purpose, which they absolutely excel at.

Falls mon ami are like commandos , well against infantry but useless against vehicles , squads like falls and partisans are generally used behind enemy lines for sneaking in and capping ,

Multipurpose infantry like grenadiers , PG , rangers, airborne , strumtruppen can be sent into combat , you will pay heavily for sending out falls aginst mgs or armored units

GodlikeDennis wrote:
Marders are terrible in 1v1s. They cost far too much fuel and have too slow a turning rate to be effective. Anyone with a brain can circle your marder and destroy you and they cost too much fuel in a fuel burning faction to be mass produced.

You just need 2 Marders supporting each other.
If a US player gets BARs and you get 4 man MP44 youll only need 80 Fuel to get the first one while US will need 125 to get an M8.

AbhMkh: Falls have a lower reinforce cost than Pgrens and can replace them as your mainline troops. Who cares if they aren't effective against vehicles, that's what other units are for. You use these to own infantry, and they do that hard. They're much better than both commandos and partisans.

Paciat: Of course you have to have two. But an unlucky occurrence that causes you to lose just one means you lose both. And there goes 80 fuel. They are simply too inefficient for their cost. AT nades need to be buffed somehow in order to make circle strafing marders more difficult when you go T1-T3. If you go T2-T3 you have shreks of course, but shreks in a halftrack are better/cheaper AT than a marder anyway, so you don't need the marder to begin with. Marders are pretty much only useful against the Brits where you can either truck rush him or outrange most of his emplacements.

GodlikeDennis wrote:
Paciat: Of course you have to have two. But an unlucky occurrence that causes you to lose just one means you lose both. And there goes 80 fuel. They are simply too inefficient for their cost. AT nades need to be buffed somehow in order to make circle strafing marders more difficult when you go T1-T3. If you go T2-T3 you have shreks of course, but shreks in a halftrack are better/cheaper AT than a marder anyway, so you don't need the marder to begin with. Marders are pretty much only useful against the Brits where you can either truck rush him or outrange most of his emplacements.

I dont want to make AT nades like stickies becouse then MP44 blobs (3 squads or more) would be OP. Even if Stuart (280MP) would fire its canister shot (75ammo) and killed 6 men (45x6=270MP) than 3 nades (60ammo) would destroy it anyway.
There would be no midgame UK counter to PE MP44 blobs.

Maybe a Marder rotation buff only while locked down would work. +25% is enough to make it rotate as fast as Stugs.

Easy solution....Marders dont have a fast turn rate?? Nonsense, utilize roads, place your Marders on roads and if necessary lure the enemy toward your Marder position, they have a fantastic turn rate if used right.

If the enemy is able to circle you, you are using it wrong.

cover them with shrek squads, teller mines also work wonders
or in a long game, get a AT-HT or in a 2vs2 one player goes T1-T4 and the other goes T2-T3 proplem solved

GodlikeDennis wrote:
Who the hell builds LGF for combat???

LHS first for falls is what I'm talkin' bout.

............I do.........Used for a long range damage on infantry or flank support they can dish out a lot of damage. They are also good for recrewing infantry weapons life MGs, mortars panzershrecks and the like.

Simply use Mp44...defensive vet, AT grens, and Marders ;)

FGermans...cmon now lol. Anyway, that tactic used to work when I was a noob, I dont use it now though