--idea for new soviets tanks--

I like to see this sovits tanks in combat:

su 76
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SU-76   

similar marder 3.

t-26
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-26_tank

could replace the t-70 light tank in any doctrine.

Su-76 - why not? Fast, light armoured anti tank vehicle. It should be similiar to PE AT halftrack.

YES! su 76 would be an awsome tank to have in game and the T-26 would be a great replacement (maybe reward unit) for the t 70

another two interesting units.

152mm br-2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/152_mm_gun_M1935_%28Br-2%29

203mm b-4
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/203_mm_howitzer_M1931_%28B-4%29

203mm b-4 is awesome.

Hi,

The su 76 was made by Scruff but dont know if they still have the model though.




Regards
funnyme

funnyme wrote:
Hi,
The su 76 was made by Scruff but dont know if they still have the model though.

Regards
funnyme

+1 to SU-76. If theres a model allready made than why not use it.

-1 to 152mm and 203mm guns. Russians allready have a firebase.

-1 to T-26. It was much more obsolete than a T-70.

A BT-7 tank is a better idea. Stubby 76mm gun and a very high max speed.

Last edited March 1, 2010 at 4:45 PM by Paciat

The SU-76 was going to be used, but due to a serious bug on the model it was pulled in favour of the SU-85. We may see the SU-76 ingame yet.

We have another SU-76 model, Scruff never got around to skinning it but that's not a massive problem.

Actually I have a great idea! Why not a KV-8? The flamethrower tank based off the kv-1 and had a 45mm (very outdated gun but good for light vehicles) on the same axis and then give the ostheer a pIII flampanzer which had a similar set up. Still how hard would it be to code the flames like from the crocodile onto something else and not cause any problems (crashes etc.)

SauerKRAUT wrote:
Actually I have a great idea! Why not a KV-8? The flamethrower tank based off the kv-1 and had a 45mm (very outdated gun but good for light vehicles) on the same axis and then give the ostheer a pIII flampanzer which had a similar set up. Still how hard would it be to code the flames like from the crocodile onto something else and not cause any problems (crashes etc.)

Nice. In 1941 1 of every 10 Soviet tanks kad a flamethrower. Churchill croc is rare so I want to see a KV-8.

Paciat wrote:

SauerKRAUT wrote:
Actually I have a great idea! Why not a KV-8? The flamethrower tank based off the kv-1 and had a 45mm (very outdated gun but good for light vehicles) on the same axis and then give the ostheer a pIII flampanzer which had a similar set up. Still how hard would it be to code the flames like from the crocodile onto something else and not cause any problems (crashes etc.)

Nice. In 1941 1 of every 10 Soviet tanks kad a flamethrower. Churchill croc is rare so I want to see a KV-8.

yea its a awsome idea and a great looking vehicle.
maybe as a reward unit for the T-34?

Maybe as an additional call in with the urban tree along with/or the kv-2? I think the urban tree needs a little sometin sometin, the kv-2 is way to squish as well as unreliable in killing efficiency, flamethrowers are too expensive until late game until you have some upgrades including sturmovie, partisan camo is bugged/cap slow/expensive man power to ability wise. Their nearest counter parts, the Luftwaffe get defenses, infiltrate, and off maps. Also it could instead become an upgrade for a t34 hull gun, dunno if individual upgrade would be right or even doctrinal (Urban?). What do the devs thin?

Other than cosmetic purposes reward units did not replace doctrine units in Tales of valor. This is most likely for balance reasons and I'd advise not replacing doctrine units in this mod for that reason of balance.

like i said it could be something like "Heavy City Combat Group" and give you to get the kv 8 and 2 as 2 separate buttons and costs

How come everyone overlooks the T-28 ? It had flaws but those were fixed in the T-28 M.

I vote for the flying tank Paciat showed us on the first page XD

hi,another idea,add shermans tanks reinforcements.

rather bland don't ya think?

Sounds a little British if you ask me, besides T-34/85 is much better than an American Sherman

IRL but COH thinks otherwise, and the t28 was never really "solved" it had less armor than anything that was considered a tank i can think of produced during the war, 30mm to a Stuart's 50mm 0_0... It would be cool but would die instantaneously and would be a SOB to code. I think a flame tank of some sort is the best idea.

-.- And I thought I was a downer, the T-28's purpose was to be defense breaking,not a battleship, I just needs to be bullet proof and armed, Not shell proof.

T-35, I know the gamer inside every one of you wants to see this.

=) you're right, but not many others realize this, so I made do with T-28

T-35 would be epic.  ;D
Please consider it devs  :D

Shadowmetroid wrote:
T-35 would be epic.  ;D
Please consider it devs  :D

3 Pak shots and "T-35 would be epic" no more.

just for info, the T-35 has been considered already.
but yet it cant be included because of its 5 towers which
are pretty hard to animate.

but still, its an amazing vehicle ;)

and its a pretty fail tank.

Versedhorison wrote:
and its a pretty fail tank.

Not for mid game, as infantry support. In this case it is a pretty win tank.  ;D

Venoxxis wrote:
just for info, the T-35 has been considered already.
but yet it cant be included because of its 5 towers which
are pretty hard to animate.

but still, its an amazing vehicle ;)

But...it is possible to anitmate?

Ost_Front_Soldat wrote:
But...it is possible to anitmate?

I really don't see why not. It'll probably be a headache for the devs, but they could do it. Remember McScruff and the T-34!

Last edited March 12, 2010 at 5:20 PM by Shadowmetroid

I remember Diablo being really skeptical about it being included ever. Which is sad, but who is to say another mod team might make it. N44 is adding the Soviets, althought they are not known for actually creating the models. All I can say is, it would be a great shame if we never see this beats on CoH battlefields.

Last edited March 12, 2010 at 5:32 PM by Ost_Front_Soldat

Eastern Front could be the first COH mod to have tanks with multiple turrets. And you think Relic is watching now...

How about a SU-122 mobile artillery. It was a unit compareble to StuH but it could be an arti as well(mobile fire base). It was a rare gun but why not?

Or maybe BM-31 rocket louncher. It would fire massive and inaccurate 300mm rockets on short distances (like a walking stuka):

Both units could be a more expensive alternative for BM-13.

Paciat wrote:
How about a SU-122 mobile artillery. It was a unit compareble to StuH but it could be an arti as well(mobile fire base). It was a rare gun but why not?

Or maybe BM-31 rocket louncher. It would fire massive and inaccurate 300mm rockets on short distances (like a walking stuka):

Both units could be a more expensive alternative for BM-13.

SU-122 would be nice, although Armoured cars and light tanks should take priority. What about a lend-lease M3 Lee? Lend-leaae M5 halftrack?

What if the SU-122 was a Heavy Armored and slow replacement for the KV2? doesn't have a turret and about the same speed but a little more armor. and maybe an AC of some sort to replace the T90 AA tank

Last edited March 13, 2010 at 8:51 PM by hgghg4

hgghg4 wrote:
What if the ISU-122 was a Heavy Armored and slow replacement for the KV2? doesn't have a turret and about the same speed but a little more armor. and maybe an AC of some sort to replace the T90 AA tank

ISU-122 is too similiar to the ISU-152, which we already have.

Ost_Front_Soldat wrote:
What about a lend-lease M3 Lee? Lend-leaae M5 halftrack?

If soviets had more than 1 fraction Lend lease vechicles would probably be included. Now there are just too much of unused soviet home made tanks.

hgghg4 wrote:
What if the ISU-122 was a Heavy Armored and slow replacement for the KV2? doesn't have a turret and about the same speed but a little more armor. and maybe an AC of some sort to replace the T90 AA tank

It cant be slow(like ISU 152) becouse it was 2 tones lighter than T-34 (same hull). It would be like a StuH. Cromwell speed and armor (harder to hit than T-34 - sherman armor).

The T35 was and always will be a fail tank in real life and in any game. I'm probably gonna add it to my list.

Versedhorison wrote:
The T35 was and always will be a fail tank in real life and in any game. I'm probably gonna add it to my list.

You go and do that.

The SU122 was a good vehicile, fast, but with little armor and a heavy STuh like gun.

and it wasn't anything like the 152.... its barrel was shorter, smaller and was used more as a Mobile Arty Piece then a Tank Killer....

hgghg4 wrote:
and it wasn't anything like the 152.... its barrel was shorter, smaller and was used more as a Mobile Arty Piece then a Tank Killer....

The ISU-122 is NOT to be confused with the SU-122. You posted it as the "ISU-122", which is an ISU-152 with the 122 mm gun M1931/37 (A-19) instead of the ISU-152's 152 mm howitzer-gun M1937 (ML-20). Ok?

oh whoops fixed, thanks for the correction :P I made a mistake  :-\ er rather a tpyo

guynumber7 wrote:
The SU122 was a good vehicile, fast, but with little armor and a heavy STuh like gun.

SU122 had more frontal armor and was 2 tones lighter than T-34. The only problem it had was that there was little room inside and it was bad at fighting tanks.

What would the SU-122 replace anyway?

Shadowmetroid wrote:
What would the SU-122 replace anyway?

B-13 Katiusha or SU-85. If it would be a mobile arti, it would have to cost about 700MP (mere than priest/hommel).

A self-propelled howitzer replacing an self-propelled antitank gun? Think again.

The Geshutzwagon(a self-propelled AT gun) replaced the StuG IV assualt gun. While the StuG IV was also widely regarded as a tank destroyer, in CoH it is not.

Kangaroo APC replaced Cromwell IV medium tank.

Hotchkiss H-35 replaced Panzer IV Ausf.F1(both are infantry support, but very different).

Last edited March 15, 2010 at 1:37 AM by Ost_Front_Soldat

True. Keep in mind, however, that at least one person will cry OP about this.