Ostheer Vehicle Poll

I probably opened a can of worms here, but I am curious and maybe the Devs are too, about who would like to see what. I am just putting generic vehicle types IE: Panzer 4 not Panzer 4 Ausf. F to limit the amount of work i needed to make this list...yes I am slightly lazy... you have 8 choices choose wisely

I am going to everything from light vehicles all the way to heavy vehicles including PaKs and mobile arty (Which by CoH standards are considered vehicles), no flaming, no arguing over what is what and what should be what. Also no saying "Why is such and such vehicle not on here" Why? Here is your answer... its stupid, unfeasible or just down right ridiculous... don't question it.... This is completely statistical to possibly help the admins...If there is a legitimate vehicle that is not on here that you would like to see on here PM me. And I swear to god if you send me something stupid like the Jagdtiger, Sturmtiger, Maus, Ratte or Monster I will openly flame you...

Also I am sorry for those of you who voted already but please vote again... and now you can change your votes :D

there is already a poll like thiss ...

Yes I know I started it... I forgot to check the box that allows people to change votes as I add units to the list... I stated this in the other one AND asked for a Dev Lock

Ferdinand and Elephant should be 1 unit with a cheap (bceouse its a hull MG) upgrade.

Or maybe the upgrade could be tied to the veterancy of the Elefant, with whatever system Ostheer is gonna use for veterancy.

Oh, and since you have AT guns on the list, what about the 7.5-5.5 Pak 41 taper bore gun? Production started in 1942, but was limited to 150 guns because of the shortage of the tungsten that the guns relied on. They were insanely powerful, punching through 171mm of armor at 500 yards. Maybe they could be a unit that costs ammo just to fire its shells, but easily one shots light and medium tanks, and does heavy damage to the likes of the Pershing and IS2.

And what about movable flak weapons, Saving Private Ryan style?

Last edited February 25, 2010 at 1:58 AM by BDNeon

BDNeon wrote:
Oh, and since you have AT guns on the list, what about the 7.5-5.5 Pak 41 taper bore gun? Production started in 1942, but was limited to 150 guns because of the shortage of the tungsten that the guns relied on. They were insanely powerful, punching through 171mm of armor at 500 yards.

I shot kill is sooo not like coh. Even 17lbs needs 4 shots to destroy a PzIV!
A good player moves his tanks after he gets a first hit but taking no hits is imposible.
Whats wrong with normal 7,5 AT guns with AP shells?

Oha o.ô
the Tiger I is even more wanted than the Elenfant/Ferdinand
curious!

Its a must have than  :o

I just wish this would get stickified!

hgghg4 wrote:
I just wish this would get stickified!

+1

though I am assuming this poll is excluding any possible aircraft or will they be added?

This thread is for units that the player will control on the battlefield not Planes or Railway arty...

lol railway artillery... well a man can dream.

the two most i want to see that could be built on the battlefield are:

Panzer 3
Tiger 1

i think it would be fun to be able to make Tiger 1s and have Panzer 3s out in the game now.

-Narizna

Narizna wrote:
the two most i want to see that could be built on the battlefield are:

Panzer 3
Tiger 1

+1
Those are the only non doctrinal tanks I want to see in Ostheer. ;D StugIII and JagdpanzerIV can fill the role of PzIV and Panther.

Quad halftrack can be an Ostheer Puma.

I voted for small tanks because I belive the Germans need some of those

I think Panzer 2 is a must, it is unique and i haven seen before.

I'd like to see a konigstiger with a Henchell turret so it therefore has more health than a porche turreted konigstiger but is more expensive.

when I put KT on the list it wasn't turret specific

I know, either way I'd like to see more king tigers in the game personally though if it were to be in with the ostheer using the other turret is an idea.

in all honesty the KT in the game now is 79 tons of rolling fail

I dont think another KT is needed ingame.
Its just a huge fortress of steel.

i would probably prefer Tiger I's instead, for the reason mobility
and originality of the Wehrmacht.

Last edited March 1, 2010 at 1:03 PM by Venoxxis

guynumber7 wrote:
I think Panzer 2 is a must, it is unique and i haven seen before.

Unikue? It has a Puma/PE AC gun.
Use T-90 if you like midgame MG tanks.

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Venoxxis wrote:
I dont think another KT is needed ingame.
Its just a huge fortress of steel.

i would probably prefer Tiger I's instead, for the reason mobility
and originality of the Wehrmacht.

+1
Or an Elephant.

There are so many posts like "I want a KT, only better"
or I want a 6 man MP44 squad
or I want a howitser that can direct fire and bombard. >:(

For all of those who think like that:
play Battle of the Bulge mod.

Last edited March 1, 2010 at 1:19 PM by Paciat

QuoteIn German service the panzer 38(t) was used as a substitute for the Panzer III.

maybe the Panzer 38(t) should be a reward vehicle for Panzer III its upon the player what he choose... :)

Panzer 38 t as reward unit for an Panzer III  ???

I thinks that isnt a good idea:
Panzer 38 t is a light tank and
the Panzer III is a medium tank.
The Panzer 38 t had reached his
maximal potential ( in 1938! ) with its 3,7cm KwK.
The Panzer III was upgraded till 1943
with better armor and new main weapon.
Panzer 38 t could deal with light soviet tanks
and was a good recon tank but in comparison
with Panzer III of the year 1942 ( 5cm KwK )
he cant fight any longer at the battlefield in
first front line.

Here are my choices and the reasoning behind them,

Panzer3, Good support tank, fast, cheapish, not so good vs. other tanks, maybe a upgrade with side armor,

Panther, it’s the Eastern Front deal with it, Jk perhaps a upgrade with side armor and top MG,

Ferdinand, why? Each axis army has their own super heavy tank, Wher has King Tiger, PE has the Jagdpanther, the Ostheer should have their own, and like the armies it would be one time call-in, k?

Marder 2, maybe a little cheaper than the 3rd version, like wise weaker in terms of damage, health and sight radius,

StuG 3, widely used, good main gun & front armor, upgrades with side armor and Mg, perhaps an armor piecing ability like American AT gun,

Jagdpanzer, Unique unit, better than the StuG 3 in terms of both damage and armor, perhaps a call-in unit like the Hetzer,     

Wespe, Think Hummel but smaller and weaker, in terms of damage, armor, and range, in would be a call-in unit, like the Katyusha,

10.5cm Howitzer, this unit would be literally an exact copy of the American 105 Howitzer, 3 men, very vulnerable, easy to capture, has great range and accuracy, now to make it different than its American counterpart, it could have better accuracy than the 105 but not fire as many shells,   

FriendlyFire wrote:
Here are my choices and the reasoning behind them,

Panzer3, Good support tank, fast, cheapish, not so good vs. other tanks, maybe a upgrade with side armor,

Panther, it’s the Eastern Front deal with it, Jk perhaps a upgrade with side armor and top MG,

Ferdinand, why? Each axis army has their own super heavy tank, Wher has King Tiger, PE has the Jagdpanther, the Ostheer should have their own, and like the armies it would be one time call-in, k?

Marder 2, maybe a little cheaper than the 3rd version, like wise weaker in terms of damage, health and sight radius,

StuG 3, widely used, good main gun & front armor, upgrades with side armor and Mg, perhaps an armor piecing ability like American AT gun,

Jagdpanzer, Unique unit, better than the StuG 3 in terms of both damage and armor, perhaps a call-in unit like the Hetzer,     

Wespe, Think Hummel but smaller and weaker, in terms of damage, armor, and range, in would be a call-in unit, like the Katyusha,

10.5cm Howitzer, this unit would be literally an exact copy of the American 105 Howitzer, 3 men, very vulnerable, easy to capture, has great range and accuracy, now to make it different than its American counterpart, it could have better accuracy than the 105 but not fire as many shells, 

PzIII, panther, Ferdinand, Marder, StugIII, Jagdpanzer. There probably will be a buildable Tiger I too. Thats a lot of medium/heavy armor.
If youll have a Jagdpanzer and Ferdinand in an armor doctrine it will look like a PE tank hunter tactic.

The topic is "How should look Ostheer in order to be original..."
My answer is:
1. No Panthers or PzIV.
2. PzIII, StugIII and JagdpanzerIV will take the role of
medium tanks.
3. Buildeble Tiger I(One on the field limit) 750MP/180fuel. It will need to work with a doctrinal Ferdinand, JagdpanzerIVs or PzIII rearshooting to defeat a IS-2 spam.

Wespe is a 10.5cm mobile Howitzer. Thereis no need for a static one.
But a 7.5cm light non-doctrinal Howitzer that can move like a nebelwerfer is a good idea.

Last edited March 1, 2010 at 8:34 PM by Paciat

hgghg4 wrote:
in all honesty the KT in the game now is 79 tons of rolling fail

In ways yes though It's still useful in other ways. Plus I like it lots personally. Also it's 69 tons.

I don't see the Panzer 38t replacing a panzer III.

we where both wrong 75 tons


http://www.lonesentry.com/tm_tigertank/index.html

Yeah but PZ2 gun would  be better vs armor then puma gun, and it would be a fast TANK versus a fast armored car.

i also kind of think Panzer 1 could be in as an early game call im, it has has 2 mg's which do heavy damage and supression, and is mostly immune to bullets, but a single hand grenade would totally blow it up.

sorry I'm getting metric and imperial measurements of weight mixed up. It's 69 Tonnes so yea 75 tons.  ::)

Alot of the suggestions and concerns are about tanks what about the smaller vehicles like the Kubelwagen, Sdkfz 10 as the prime transport, Sdkfz 4 as rocket artillery or Sdkfz 232 (early version of the Puma) the ostheer cant just be tanks

Raider217 wrote:
Alot of the suggestions and concerns are about tanks what about the smaller vehicles like the Kubelwagen, Sdkfz 10 as the prime transport, Sdkfz 4 as rocket artillery or Sdkfz 232 (early version of the Puma) the ostheer cant just be tanks

+1 Kubelwagen
It will probably be in the game.

Every army needs an AA-gun. Even Pumas and PE AC shoot planes.
I want a Quad halftrack to be in the game. 360MP/40fuel.

For the Flak Halftrack I would say 240 MP and 30 Fuel, between the PE halftracks

It should have a single, slower firing 3.7cm Flak 36, which would also be pretty good aganist armored cars too imo, but it should be more expensive f it has that.

but its effectiveness against inf would be lowered Dramaticly

Maybe to a bit below ostwind level cause it has a flak 36.

oh crud i just realized flak 36 isint origional lol.

lol, it would be better against aircraft but if we use the FlaK Halftrack I think it should be very effective against infantry

Well the Quad.50 is'nt that good vs infantry unless they are low health and are standing right next to it, why should this one be any better?

Wat?

The quad 50 cal is great against enemy infantry. Only problem is by that time enemy infantry usually have panzershreks by then.

Get two together and they decimate infantry and have a faster suppression rate then the MG42 combined together I believe and they do a ton of damage, I decimated a blob of vet 3 grens the other day with three of them... and once they get vet 2 they are nasty effective

Anyone here think about a flammenwerfer halftrack for the early to midgame blob control? Ostheer needs that to beat the Red Tide.  :)

Last edited March 12, 2010 at 5:12 PM by Shadowmetroid

Wehrmacht already have that.

How about Lion tank call in ? It's Slightly smaller than the King tiger but still heavily armored.

No, it never made it past the design phase and was canceled for the Maus. And what did I say? NO FREAKING UNITS THAT NEVER MADE IT TO THE FRONT LINES OF BATTLE. Seriously is it that hard to understand? BTW when it comes to WW2 Weaponry there ain't much I haven't heard of, the Lowe Tank was the first I never heard of... why? Cause it never made if off the paper and by 1942 it was torn up and burnt as kindling in Hitler's  fireplace!

Versedhorison wrote:
Wehrmacht already have that.

So?

Ost_Front_Soldat wrote:

Versedhorison wrote:
Wehrmacht already have that.

So?

Exactly. It's not like it has to be exclusive to wehr. Panther isn't. Flak 88 isn't.

Last edited March 13, 2010 at 6:58 AM by Shadowmetroid

Shadowmetroid wrote:

Ost_Front_Soldat wrote:

Versedhorison wrote:
Wehrmacht already have that.

So?

Exactly. It's not like it has to be exclusive to wehr. Panther isn't. Flak 88 isn't.

PE and Wehr share some units, like Flak 88, Panthers, Panzer IV; both are unique factions besides that. I don't know why someone would sacrifice those to make "unique" the ostheer, and this is for any unit that could fit in the ostheer that belongs to relic's german armies, not just for the Panzer IV or V.

Panzer IV which have PE is a bit different from that which use Wehrmacht...

GamblerSK wrote:
Panzer IV which have PE is a bit different from that which use Wehrmacht...

Indeed, but is used as an argument to dispose it (that wehr have it).

Do not argue about the uses of vehicles in OTHER factions in this thread, it is for Vehicle suggestions for Ostheer ONLY

My point stands that Ostheer need an anti-infantry blob/anti-garrison vehicle. Flammenwerfer half track fits the role.