T-34 Deserve his fame

I disagree with cost changes to the factory, if russiansget tanks too fast it won't be fair, their first tank is 30 fuel, and is quite good against light tanks, and the T-34 is cheap aswell, there will be no hope for the Germans if the prices go down that much.

comrade2012 wrote:
yes, I know thats bad.....but if the pop cap was only four, and the fuel was reduced to 45 or 50, you could make a lot of them, and that would make up for it.

Ok, even if we dont change the armor, we still need to lower the fuel cost of the T-34 and the fuel cost of the tank factory... I'm sorry, but 115 fuel for a russian factory is just too much.

As it is, the Soviet armies are ALREADY OPd late game.

Basically you want it MORE POWERFUL?
You pay more for quality. I totally disagree with lowering prices. By mid to late game fuel accumulates with lack of tank productions, giving players a large surplus, most likely in the 200s. I think I can spare the fuel.

And the pop cap? The last thing Wher players need is a T-34/85 spam with 25 tanks across a border.

+1 to Cranialwizard's comments.  The sound I dread is the ominous clicking of that first T-34 when I still can't build AT yet !

There needs to be that cost of fuel for the building and the tank since the germans use a lot of fuel staging up...let alone the building.

Last edited April 13, 2010 at 9:52 AM by stryker

If you were to change ANYTHING about the T-34, change nothing.

By the time you see a T-34, you KNOW a IS-2 or SU-85(100) is coming.
Making the T-34 available faster just makes ANY german player easier to beat. As it is, a Easy Soviet is more like a Hard Brit. They get their tanks out before much else. Sure you see a conscript spam, but lowering building and tank prices just makes you MORE screwed.

I mean I've played Hard Soviets and lost because within 10 minutes of a game I hear a T-34 coming, and then another 3 minutes later I see 4 of them headed for me with a IS-2 at the base. (Sniper acting as spy, killing weaker squads when they come back). Just decreasing the cap makes it 8 T-34s, and gives MORE room for bigger things like IS-2.

If I were to ever agree to decreasing price, I would drastically increase the cap. If I agreed to lowering cap, drastically increase the price. Those are the only two options I would present. If you lower both, all german players will eventually be T-34'd spammed. I mean heck, it IS the #1 tank ;)

Me personally? I like the price and pop where it is  :D

Cranialwizard wrote:
Beat the M1 Abrams! Go Russia!

Uh no that's wishful thinking at best. T34 could not hold up against a maintained M1 on any level field of fight.

Historians would generally argue this point to death but I tend to sway to the other side of the table that believe that the T34 was credited with its title only because it was the sole contributor to the Germans response in making the Panther.  ;)

Yes yes, the M1 Abrams IS more advanced than the T-34.

Reminder:
30 MILLION dollars to make one.
Minimum Production
F***in Gas Guzzler.
It's 2010.

Okay.

T-34:
Huge production, minimum cost
Extremely quick for low gas usage
Advanced armor for it's time.
1940's.

It deserves MUCH more than the M1 could accomplish because it was so far back in time, 60 years nearly. Hell, with all of the U.S's modern military tech, why wouldn't we TRY AND FIND A WAY TO STOP EXTREME GAS USAGE. :D

whenever I've played on Eastern Front the Germans get tanks just about the same time as the Russians, if not earlier.. Anybody that is carefull with their spending can get a Stug or a Marder right quickly. You can get a Stug or Marder in at least 10 mins. Also the stug and Marder are both cheaper than the T-34. I know that the Stug and the Marder arent exactly "tanks" but they are still armor, and if used correctly can easily knock out a T-34.

In my opinion, the fuel of the T-34 should be lowered.

The T-34 is perfectly set in my opinion.

comrade2012 wrote:
whenever I've played on Eastern Front the Germans get tanks just about the same time as the Russians, if not earlier..

Haven't we all? :D God I love the mod.
I feel that changing the T-34 would drastically increase or decrease difficulty for either side. I mean if you think about it, lowering the fuel brings the T-34 out EARLIER than most other factions.

By the time a player has his kreig barracks he's not necessarily worried with PaK38s. He's concentrating on getting the F***in conscripts AWAY from his borders with Grenadiers and Mortars. By the time the T-34 comes flying in it'll be too later. DECREASING it's fuel would make it EVEN Earlier.

The t34 would be good if you could actually hit something with it :\

Cranialwizard wrote:
The T-34 is perfectly set in my opinion.

This is right what i think. The T-34 makes big fun, and comes out of the tank hall very early.
Even the non upgraded one is pretty deadly. Also, its a great inf. & tankkiller.

The upgraded one is just a punch for every kind of infantry. It kinds some ass. It hits snipers almost perfectly.

Also, paks became very less effective against the t-34.


As we got the t-34 right at the moment, its surly the most userfull tank of all.
And there is no reason to doubt that if you ever played with it.

T-34 shouldn't get destroyed by a pak and not a stug though, they have the EXACT same gun,Is there any way to fix that?

Well, I dont know exactly what you mean, but I do believe that both the Stug and the Pak should do about the same amount of damage to a T-34

They don't Stug shots often bounce off, pak shots never bounce off even at max range front armor.

PaK shots VERY RARELY bounce off of armor. I've seen it happen to heavier armor like Pershings and IS-2. Under VERY rare conditions does this happen.

AT guns are exactly that. Anti-Tank.

They generally do more damage if used correctly.

In an example, if you camo 2 PaK's and wait for a unsuspecting Sherman, within 4 hits, just 4 hits, it'll be a goner.(Even when targeting front armor)

StuGs don't have that much of an effect, this is why you should use them in groups.

StuG's are also very WEAK in the fact that it's a self propelled gun. It has no movable turret to aim in different directions. Therefore, as soon as a T-34 hits the ground, players who desperately need a StuG GONE, they can command their T-34 to do circles around the StuG, and most of the time the StuG will die because it is trying to follow it's target (:<

You did not get the point.

I got the point:

The PaK and the StuG have the same main weapon. But the PaK will destroy the T-34 more often than the StuG.

The PaK normally will be able to destroy a T-34 on the sole fact that it is camo-ed, countering is more difficult.

Noo, Pak-38 (what the Wehr has) had a 50mm cannon, StuG was 75mm. It seems much worse that the Pak is the uber-killing cybernetic death machine from hell that it seems to be in CoH...

In reality, Pak-38 faired very well against tanks like the T-34, even with its sloped armour... so you can kind of compare that to Sherman too. Anything over a T-34 though, it had a tougher time... fuck penetrating IS-2's. The StuG has the advantage of being armoured however, it was a decent enough tank killer in reality, but in a balanced (hahaaaahaha) game like CoH it wouldn't bode well to have made the StuG as effective as the Pak since the Pak can't take the same amount of punishment as the StuG.
Also, i'll add that the StuG is only Tier 3, it is the Wehr's earliest tank, so you can't expect it to be too powerful.

ahk I've played BK too much, they have WM 75mm pak, confused me for a second.

That's a Pak40. 'Pak' is just the term for towed AT guns.
Pak38-50mm,Pak40-75mm,Pak43-88mm.
The abilities of the AT guns, in game terms, are largely irrelevant to real life. 

Pak38 is just bugged cause it gets 3 bonus shots instead of 1 bonus shot, which means the first 3 shots never bounce off anything. The rest work as normal aftre it decloaks and do bounce off as regularly as the 57mm

Which makes it even more deadly in numbers.

Most of my tanks are dead in those first three shots.

Akalonor wrote:
Most of my tanks are dead in those first three shots.

Depends mostly on how they are positioned. A smart Wehr  player would place them on the flanks, and command them to open fire when the tank is aligned with both of them.

If they are aiming at your front then you've got a serious problem. Make sure when you back your tank up it doesn't turn around, it just goes in reverse.

AT guns are really annoying, but they arent unstopable, you just have to be patient. Its easy to take them out with infantry, (snipers and flamers are the best). However, if you cant get your infantry close enough, then you should use a mortar. When your PE the incendiary rounds work great. Ostwinds and any kind of Flakpanzer are great too.

Never send in tanks alone!! Tanks are close to useless without any support units.

someone need to know that the stugs destroyed the most tanks in the war, not the tigers panthers..., so stugs can't kill a T34? ridiculous.

Trying not to be too offensive, but honestly guys, most of you sound like you understand nothing about balance. The t34 comes early and is very cheap for a medium tank. Add the fact that once it gets and upgrade it becomes arguably the best cost/effectivenes tank in the game. Does anyone here have at least lvl 8 in 1v1 automatch?

Well, there were more Stugs than Tigers and Panthers so that probably contributed to their high amount of kills. Also, Stugs were Assault guns, and "tank Hunters", so thats probably why they killed more tanks.

Made that video yesterday...

Was walking with my girlfriend near "Panorama of Stalingrad Battle" museum, and there were 2 T-34's and 1 T-34-85, all of them in good conditions...

On that video, T-34-85 starting its engine...

Sry for quality, I've made it with cellphone :(
T-34-85 Za Stalina Still on charge.3gp

thats awsome. :o

What I would do to ride in a Tiger ::)

Before it broke down, hehe

Bovington museum..I think its the only Tiger1 in the world that's fully operational . You can see it in the Tankfest

I just spent Over half an hour watching tankfest videos because of you and that Tiger video.....

Hahaha

It'd be cool to see some of those in real life. A lot of them were exterminated and none exist, so now we have to rely on black and white photos. Did the Germans color all tanks Brownish?

Not all video from WW 2 are black & white .

If you listen closly the video says the Tiger was an older model that didn't recieve any camo yet.

Most videos are in black and white.

So they WERE camoed? With green and brown?

Depends, would you want Green and Brown Camo on a Tank in the Africa desert?

Mainly in Europe. I suppose in Africa you'd need tan.

Russia White?

*Shrug*

An Arctic approach, Black and White, would be good in the snow. It might have been White and Brown though. No idea.

Russian tanks on the eastern front started out with Panzer Grey. By the time Kursk came around the germans painted their tanks with a yellowish Khaki base coat and green camo. North africa was khaki and brown

the best camo scheme ever was the battle of the bulge camo. It was a yellowish khaki base coat with green and brown camo, but it also had khaki, green, and brown triangles all over it. it kinda looks like autumn leaves.

Hmmm, intresting color schemes. Sounds like a job for...


THE MODS :D
DUN DUN...
(Kidding just. You guys do great job!)

I think that making all the Ostheer tanks Panzer Grey would be cool. It would give them a very "Nazi" look.