T-34 Deserve his fame

Watch this documentary where T-34 is considered Nr.ONE tank from history.It was very robust tank with excellent performance in very bad terrain,far superior than any other tanks from history,and even more their number was enormous.

Have fun watching how he go over the german tanks(favorite russian crew tactic) and through the buildings in this video .

Top Ten Tanks- # 1: The T-34

I suggest to be made with much better frontal deflective armor,to cost less fuel,and to move faster in bad terrain than any other tanks.Also if is possible to use tank shock against german tanks,damaging them.It will be excellent if tank shock ability will come from breakthrough doctrine.For balance reason his armor piercing power must be reduced.His tactic would be appropriate from reality...driving with full speed through the enemy,or hitting them from the rear. 

Last edited February 13, 2010 at 9:28 PM by PSIHOPAT

wow

wtf

lol one German tiger use to fc*k 3-4 Russian T34's at a same time :|

That's not a documentary and what these guys say are more or less hyped bullshit.

This is how it went really, just to dismiss these myths.

T34 in 1941 was revolutionary in design because of the sloped armour, great mobility at the time and a powerful AT gun which at that point gave it its reputation. However at that time the soviet army was at its lowest point. The crews weren't trained, the tank tactics were appauling, their numbers were few, they had no radios and a two man turret (with the poor commander was trying to guide the tank,fire the gun and wave hand signals to coordinate with other tanks/infantry). On top of that because it was a newly introduced they didn't have enough ammo or spare parts for them. So their debute in combat was as bad as that of the Panther in Kursk.Its combat record and effectiveness was crap despite its advanced,for that year, design.
When a T34 run over a 37mm AT gun, it wasn't out of 'contempt', but because the gunners couldn't hit for shit or because they had no HE ammo.

By the time most the deficiencies were fixed(42-44), it was heavily outclassed in quality by even the PzIV. Hell, even the PZIII L/M  was better in tank vs tank combat than a T34 and its reputation had totally dropped by that time.
Unlike the german counterparts, it couldn't be upgraded with more armour AND bigger gun because the suspension and design couldn't handle it. It was one OR the other and they went for the gun(44-45) by which time the Panther was the german main battle tank which outclassed it in every respect.

Soviet T34 losses were appauling because of that low quality in crew training and equipment compared to the Germans.

The Germans on the other side had now way of matching the manpower of all the allies+soviets which is why they were making more quality tanks(with the maintenance downside) to compensate for the quantity they faced. Sure they could have built 2 PzIVs for every Panther, but you'd need to find and train and field 10 men instead of 5, fuel and maintain 2 tanks

T34s quality...was its quantity...like everything else in the soviet arsenal at that time. It was ever present and in numbers so became like symbol. They didn't really care about making it that good/durable because statistics showed they would rarely survive their first engagement...
Best tank?...ask the hundreds of thousands of tankers that lost their lives because of that poor quality/armour/gun...no wait they can't speak.

Last edited February 14, 2010 at 11:55 AM by Zerstörer

I have some doubts telling about persons from documentary to be idiots.They are historians(no one is russian),and i think have no interest/profit from telling lies.

Anyway....something is true....and other hard to believe...for some....
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This mod don't represent overwhelming superiority of T-34 in balance between quality,cost and quantity.The germans was shocked when they first encountered this tanks,and their tanks was not so advanced at the beginning of the war.This can be reflected in game with very low production time.

Also what is wrong if T-34 will have tank shock ability?
This ability will make T-34 to drive in enemy tank,damaging them,or destroying their tracks.

Also if my idea is bad,is no other way to reflect something from history ?

Last edited February 14, 2010 at 12:27 PM by PSIHOPAT

I never understand this guy... he's always rabidly pro-russian and doesn't seem to grasp the concept of balance. I'd think he was russian if his sig didn't say Romanian. For that matter, why does he like WWII russians so much anyway? Wasn't his country BITTER ENEMIES with them?

We reflect it quite well...you can fast tech to a T34/76 when there isn't much counter around apart from sherks/paks then you have your shock effect. Its cheap so you can get alot of them unlike the sherman. Its not as good as a WH PzIV , but better vs a PE PzIV vs tanks. T34/85 makes it better than anything other than a Panther/Tiger and still remains cheap.

QuoteAlso what is wrong if T-34 will have tank shock ability?

What,an uber fast tank going around tank shocking infantry...you're having a laugh...and in games terms you aske yourself why does it NEED it...it doesn't

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This ability will make T-34 to drive in enemy tank,damaging them,or destroying their tracks.

Coh ain't grand theft auto. What, have a fast tank going around raming other tanks and immobilizing them?lol. Not to mention a 34ton tank trying to ram a 56 ton tiger...lol
I'm sure you can use the T34 to block a tigers path while you use an SU or other tank to kill it

Dude this suggestions are really poorly thought of and sound random

As far as historians go...well there are shit loads around and they rarely agree with each other. They're worse than people arguing about game balance lol
Just because they get them on television don't mean they're right.

Last edited February 14, 2010 at 12:35 PM by Zerstörer

Ramming tanks is not fantasy.Even if a tank have allot of tons,his tracks are weak.With all respect,but i think you need some historic materials.

And thx very much for speaking me in this way.

I've read bucket loads of research materials and I know more than most.
And I even know the odd story of a KV1 being perforated by 88 shells killing half the crew and the rest bailing out...commander climbs back in and rams the tiger where upon the KV already on fire got the ammo cooked off and exploded....

But you have to understand and separate these stories from what is relevant to balance which is what I'm trying to get you to understand

T-34 is a good tank because it was produced in masses it uses simple engine which was easy to repair (if you had some knowledge about it) and their armor which was angling in front (70mm) Panzer IV had 80mm but vertical it had good canon which was enough for tanks which had lower armor (most German tanks when t34 was introduced) but again fact their were produced in masses was weary important (there are several suggestions that if germans was constraining on Panzer IV and no panthers, tigers and many other experimental and non experimental tanks they could win most battles) and another fact in real war there wasn't so many times when tanks come face to face in few meters but like 100, 200, 300 and more meters so there wasn't a big place for some flanking like in CoH so if the T-34 is the best tank? hmm it depends on how you look on it...

"if the T-34 is the best tank? hmm it depends on how you look on it..."

Yes.

Depends how you look on it.
From the documentary shown by me above,few historians are agree and confirm some things,but we call them idiots.

Following this way,we can say about all history to be a crap,because is written by idiots.

Understanding something or finding the truth is more hard then rejecting something from start.

My idea was to give to T-34 one ability who make them special from others.If is "historical correct is less important"(developer words).Where AT half-track have precise shoot for immobilizing the target,this tank can make this in another way.

I say that because no tank from russia have any ability.This is fair?I think not.It was acceptable for first release,but rejecting all ideas for future is weird.

T-34 falls into the generic coh 'medium tank' class, ie; sherman, pz4, etc. Like the almighty devs said numerous times before , this isnt a mod about historical accuracy 100% nor realism, just to bring the soviets and ostheer into the generic coh world,  with full intent to keep a balance between all other factions. We should be thankful for such a massive effort and undertaking theyre trying to do to keep the balance here.

And for those who complain about historical acuraccy, 'the t-34 spam' ,  having to build a muster tent>weapons support center>and straight to tank hall, thats a better advantage for the soviets than other factions, americans have to build  barracks or wsc , and supply depot to be able to build a  vehicle depot or tank factory, Wehrmacht has it even worse with their advancing to next phase before building the next structure, brits must build lieutenant to call in support truck, then must build a captain to call in  armor truck,  and PE has more  support vehicles  with thin armor , than any real tanks (aside from the late game panther group call in). All in all , soviets have the quickest  building tech of all to get tanks.

Why all other factions have abilities for their vehicle or tanks,and soviets nothing ?

I fail to understand the reason.

Because its a different faction it had + and also - its unique in many ways and that it don't have ability that's just like it is we can talk what they could have whole night so...and IS2 had ability to dig in but i think its from doctrine? don't know exactly as i play more against Russians... :)

It is supposed to be unique but is too simple.

Very simple.Having a new faction not mean to reject all what another factions have.

I don't thing so, its not so bad that they don't have abilities, they have cooldown instead of spending munition on grenades for example and no body else is capable of that so they just don't have abilities i think its fair...

PzIV(W), Panther (W&P), Jagdpanther (P), Tiger (W), KT(W) Sherman w/out crab flail (A), Firefly (B) don't have any special abilities.

hgghg4 wrote:
Sherman w/out crab flail (A),

Smoke.

But yes, you do have a point.

thanks i forgot about that :P but a regular sherman no upgrades has no spec ability

Why all military historians and weapon specialists from that documentary consider sherman and panzer IV inferior to T-34 overall looking,in maximum total points ?
Top Ten Tanks- #10: M-4 Sherman

Top Ten Tanks- #6: Mk IV Panzer

Is no way or idea to reflect history in this mod ?

Is really a bad idea to give one ability to T-34 ?

If is... Why ?

I will agree with PSIHOPAT on the fact the T-34 needs to be better. I hate having to wait till I get to the T-34/85 upgrade so they can do damage to a Panzer four/ Panther tank, and might be able to survive. But it does not need shock, the crews where badly trained, and the gunners couldn't hit a broad side of a barn. So I would just like to see the T-34/76 get better armoor to at least have a chance against a Panzer 4.

for two P4s you can get 3 T34/76s pop wise...just flank them instead of taking them head on and focus your fire at one at a time... you might loose 1 T34 but at least you'll kill the P4s

@hgghg4
I suggest you to abandon this useless childish "tactical guide" from almost all your posts,and come with some comments on topic or suggestions,with example from the history,technical details,comparisons,new battle system concept...etc...
All what i saw in your comments is "must be supported","hit from the side or rear","take cover","retreat"...and other very simple and obvious things...

For T-34 i suggest to have very low recruit time,better chances to ricochet incoming shells and little more speed.

Last edited February 15, 2010 at 6:48 PM by PSIHOPAT

T34/76 will remain cheaper and inferior overall to the PzIV/ sherman/hetzer etc. Get used to it. T34 is already alot faster than all other medium tanks(speed 6.5) apart from the cromwell when it has flank speed flank speed.

T34/85 remains at least equal but usually superior to all other vetted tanks apart from Panthers and Tigers.

If you want to deal with Panthers and Tigers, either add SUs to the T34 mix and micro well OR get the IS2 out to deal with them

Last edited February 15, 2010 at 7:11 PM by Zerstörer

And recruitment time ?

This can reflect history =>fast mass production

it is already faster then all other tanks (exception Stug with Officer Supervision) and btw PSIHOPAT this is a TACTICAL GAME not a REALISTIC game..... so TACTICS and SUPPORT are needed... deal with it...

What the....F**K!!!

We play the same game ?

This is strategy game,and reproduce something real(WW2),but tactics are important for bringing victory.

I request you to say no more craps here.
Spare me from your "superior air" of knowledge about tactics and strategy.
You told this things soooooooooo many times...
Strategy is not made with two words,and fixed rules for this things don't worth two cents...
Always is need to create,improve,adapt or combine....
Sometime is need for a good blitz decision,and in other situations is need an entire elaborated plan.

I am enough capable to understand such simple things.
The part where is need time is for knowing absolutely all details about all units,and to create a strategy enough flexible and with maximum efficiency.
Strategy is a long term plan,and tactics bring result in one battle and can force strategic plan to fall,or to need modifications.

Tactics are just moves as a part of strategy.

Last edited February 16, 2010 at 1:51 AM by PSIHOPAT

I never put up an "air of superiority" you just think I have that

I suggest to be made two versions of T-34, available all the time,with upgrade for each of them.
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Upgrade for T-34 will be T34/76B



1942 - Soviet T-34/76B Medium Tank
Armament:            1 - 76.2mm F-34 L/30.5 gun
                                1 - 7.62mm MG coaxial
                                1- 7.62mm MG in hull
Engine:                  V2-34, V-12, diesel, 500 hp
Speed:                  34 mph
Range:                  280 miles with auxiliary tanks
Crew:                    4
Weight:                  32 tons



The T-34 went through many continuous design modifications. This model (nomenclature is Western not Soviet) was an improvement with a more powerful 76.2mm gun, heavier armor and a cast turret. Over 5000 produced. About 1/4 of the fuel was carried in external tanks which could be jettisoned giving the tank a remarkable 280-mile range. The broad tracks and double road wheels with coil spring suspension allowed the T-34 to travel where opponents floundered. Two man turret with no cupola for commander and hand traverse mechanism were deficiencies.
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Upgrade for T-34/85 will be T-34/85-II

1947 - Soviet T-34/85-II



Gun:          1- 85 mm ZIS S-53
                    2 - 7.62 mm MG
Engine:      V block 12cyl diesel 500 hp
Speed:      32 mph
Range:      280 miles
Crew          4
Wt:              approx. 34.4 tons



The T-34 was the most important tank of WWII. It had the longest career of any AFV in history. This is one of the last variants. Produced in Poland and Czechoslovakia,  many for export to the Middle East. Replaced by development of the T-44 post war.

Last edited February 16, 2010 at 12:34 PM by PSIHOPAT

First of all, calm down and don't flame each other. No keyboard fights around here.

Once again I have to point out that we are well aware of all the tanks and history which concerns them very well.  Animating and throwing tanks left/right/center is incredibly difficult, time consuming, and a freaking headache for balance trying to cram in all sorts. Ain't gonna happen

If you play comp stomping alone, you're unlikely to ever realize this, but you need specific roles for units that do not overlap each other.

In other words...these ain't gonna happen. Sorry

I kind of agree that there should be an indiviual upgrade for the T34, that would cost ammo and modernize it. The t34 that orgionally builds would be a m1941, but it can be upgraded to m43 before the 85mm upgrade, maybe, just throwing ideas around. Upgrading to m1943 would actually make the T34 be able to hit something and have a little more armor.

T34/85 II-1947, no for obvious reasons. Midas well have the T44/100 or T44/122.

However, i think it would be a good idea to put the standard T44/85, as it did see service. It would be a more heavily armored T34/85. Myabe as an expensive individual upgrade on T34/85's?

Last edited February 16, 2010 at 10:11 PM by guynumber7

In regards to that 'countdown' its a piece of crap it is totally wrong.

Secondly most people will agree that overall the panther was the best tank of the war followed by the Sherman and T34.

Finally the T34 is fine as is. You can tech to it fast, it has a fast as build time and well its fast. Also generally only the mediocre to okay tanks have abilities, the T34 doesn't need any.

Zerstörer wrote:
If you want to deal with Panthers and Tigers, either add SUs to the T34 mix and micro well OR get the IS2 out to deal with them

I am not trying to start anything but...At 1.04 Soviets have no counter for tigers or panthers, my IS 2's get killed by panzer IV's my SU-85-100's are killed easily and my AT infantry are mowed down, hah the only way I managed to kill a panther was after the main dispute when I sent the sniper Ace to hunt it down and kill it gradually with AT grenades.

for panthers and tigers try 2 SU100s supported by 3-4 T-34/76 or /85 (which ever is available) or 2 IS-2s you'll do some real damage, or just get a shit ton of PTRD squads and rush the tank and throw nades on it... that always work  :'( my poor tanks :'(

IS2's getting kileld by panzer 4's...WHAT AM I READING

PzIVs will take down an IS if you allow them to flank it....just like they would with a Pershing. though IS has enough mobility to keep that from happening. Its because of the sheer mount of shots they can pump out and it has decent penetration.

Your main tank late game should always be the T34/85 ,which can handle/beat any panzer apart from a Panther.
Its fast enough to even circle strafe a Tiger. It can also take alot of shrek shots if you keep the front armour towards them so it can stay around and support infantry esily. The only small problem is the Pak due to its bug, it will always cause 400 hpts of damage (against ANY tank regardless of armour) in a small amount of time. And we can't keep on piling hitpoints just to counteract that as it unbalances everything else.

An SU in the back is always a great help because it will always penetrate and do good damage vs any german tank.

IS-2, you should only really build to counter Panthers 1v1 as it will constantly kill it. Also try keeping the Panther in long range cause that's where you have the biggest advantage

Last edited February 21, 2010 at 9:36 AM by Zerstörer

I'll keep that in mind thanks.

Another documentary about tanks and...T-34,of course.

Tanks Steel Tiger Tank 3/5

I'm trying to decide wheather the T-34 is UP or OP now.....

in my mind all russian tanks have an awfull ability called mechanics ... quick repair - reconstructing in ... on a hard fight german kill tanks ok ... but free to built back !!! the PE berg is a big target and  never spam

if german owns the fight they destroy or ammo-steal the tank body ... but t-34 repaired under fire by 4 guys ... staline is jealous !!!

i don't say it is unbalance
i say T-34 has simplicity and speed, that fits me
(to my mine, technically T-34 was better than sherman, but in CoH the price means something more for US

t-34 was called the best tank of Sceond WW because Soviets won.

Firepower? They hadn't radio com-links, the 76,2mm cannon was good at the beginning. And of course this "perfect" soviet aiming systems.
Armour? What did they call armour? Of course at the beginning of war it was hard to beat t-34's frontal armour, but since appearing pzIVF1 it wasn't so hard to destroy t-34 from 1000-1500 meters. Tigers were shooting and destroying t-34 from 3000m.
Fear Factor? Well,it works if there were dozens od t-34s charging, but half of them would be just shoot off before they would even think of engaging German tanks. Tiger had the fear factor, but not t-34,for God's Sake!

Only thing with I would agree was mobility. It was realy one of biggest t-34 advantages, however it was often used to run away or just rushing straight to enemy lines.

@vietlord, on the contrary, I have seen Bergetigers spammed early game, they are extremely irritating and nearly unstoppable when three start repairing each other at the same time -.-

Beat the M1 Abrams! Go Russia!

Last edited April 11, 2010 at 8:36 PM by Cranialwizard

Hear, Hear! Down with the gas guzzling monstrosity!

I dont think we should make the T-34 any better, just cheaper. i would make it 4 or 5 pop cap instead of 6 or 7. and lower the fuel to 50. However, If you were to cut the price down that low, you would have to make the tank worse. The armor should be cut down a little (like the hellcat armor). the gun shouldnt be changed though, its good enough.

and yes, the tank was revolutinary. However, its armor was crap. It may have been sloped, but it was still thin.

Hellcat armor ,are you serious! That thing pops like a baloon!,every German AT weapon could penetrate it,it is not the same as T-34, sorry if I sound accusing, or harsh but I am just having a o.O moment.

Akalonor wrote:
Hellcat armor ,are you serious! That thing pops like a baloon!,every German AT weapon could penetrate it,it is not the same as T-34, sorry if I sound accusing, or harsh but I am just having a o.O moment.

Bahaha Hellcats XD

Sorry, but the superior armor of the T-34 should NOT change.

yes, I know thats bad.....but if the pop cap was only four, and the fuel was reduced to 45 or 50, you could make a lot of them, and that would make up for it.

Ok, even if we dont change the armor, we still need to lower the fuel cost of the T-34 and the fuel cost of the tank factory... I'm sorry, but 115 fuel for a russian factory is just too much.