IS-2 OP!!!

How many T34s were sacrificed? I know about 2-3 Shermans were sacrificed per Tiger...

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Haha no first i lol at you. Only because the Panther had angled armour doesn't mean it was influenced by the T34 at all. Many other tanks had angled armor before the T34 was designed. the Russians didn't invent sloped armour! And the T34 was also NOT the first tank in the world with angled armour on it. many other tanks with angled armor were built when the t34 was not even invented. It's ridiculous how you think the Russians invented everything lol.

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Actually Panthers WERE influenced by the wide tracked, slopped armor design of the T34/76 which where brought on the field in 1940. The T34/85 was brought out somewhere between late 1942 and early 1945 in order to better counter the new Panther and Tiger tanks.

The first Panther was brought out late 1942 while the second variant (Panther Ausf A.) was brought out in mid 1943. I do not claim that Russians make the best stuff as the Panther was arguably the best tank of WW2, but its concept was based off the T34... and please before you try and start a argument know what your talking about :)

Its the fact that russia could build 1000 t34 per month, unlike germany producing super slow

Shadowmetroid wrote:
How many T34s were sacrificed? I know about 2-3 Shermans were sacrificed per Tiger...

lmao hmm let's see...the T34 had to come close as 300-100 meters just to be able to penetrate the side/read armor of the Tiger, while the 88mm gun could kill the T34 at 2 miles away! so yeah, more than thousand T34s were sacrificed of course.

look up the 503rd Heavy tank battalion claimed 1,700 tank kills on the eastern front for only 252 own Tigers destroyed.

and the 502nd Heavy Tank battalion reported a total of 1,400 tank kills for only 107 own losses. and the list goes on...

hgghg4 wrote:
Actually Panthers WERE influenced by the wide tracked, slopped armor design of the T34/76 which where brought on the field in 1940.

Again, (I must have stated this at least 10 times now) Only the Panther's hull design is based on the T34, but armor isn't everything on a tank. the t34 wasnt engineered at all  and had no mechanics in it while the panther was extremely well and complex engineered with a mechanized turret. tankers in the T34s had to use handwheels to control the turret and main gun. While Panther crews only needed to use some controllers and the mechanics did all the work. The Panther was like a modern high-tech tank compared to russian tanks at that time. also the Russians copied the german cupola and mounted it on their own tanks. After 1944 all T34s were upgraded with a big cupola on the top of the turret for the commander.

hgghg4 wrote:
The T34/85 was brought out somewhere between late 1942 and early 1945.

not 42, it saw first action in 1944 during the final battles.... a very short combat time before the war ended. Even the IS-2 was first employed (1943)

Last edited January 25, 2010 at 1:42 AM by BlackDahliaMurder

Shadowmetroid wrote:
How many T34s were sacrificed? I know about 2-3 Shermans were sacrificed per Tiger...

Think 9 or 10 shermans per Tiger...
In a single battle a Tiger was hit some 250 times, it took out like 30 tanks and THEN drove 40 miles back to base for repairs. Tiger vs. sherman is a joke.


Anyway, right now the IS-2 is by no means OP. I have about as much trouble killing it as I do killing panthers. Its HARD, but not impossible. You just need some AT weapons and hit its flanks.

Its just different from the normal "whatever its a tank just shoot it" of the axis, in that you need to try and hit its side and rear armour.

My current record for fastest killing of an IS-2 is ONE shot.


Ok, fine, it was on a bride and the shot was from a hummell... Still, 1-shot kill.

BlackDahliaMurder wrote:

lmao hmm let's see...the T34 had to come close as 300-100 meters just to be able to penetrate the side/read armor of the Tiger, while the 88mm gun could kill the T34 at 2 miles away! so yeah, more than thousand T34s were sacrificed of course.

No one is disputing the face that the T-34 suffered at the hand of the Tigers, but your distances are slightly off...

BlackDahliaMurder wrote:


Again, (I must have stated this at least 10 times now) Only the Panther's hull design is based on the T34, but armor isn't everything on a tank. the t34 wasnt engineered at all  and had no mechanics in it while the panther was extremely well and complex engineered with a mechanized turret. tankers in the T34s had to use handwheels to control the turret and main gun. While Panther crews only needed to use some controllers and the mechanics did all the work. The Panther was like a modern high-tech tank compared to russian tanks at that time. also the Russians copied the german cupola and mounted it on their own tanks. After 1944 all T34s were upgraded with a big cupola on the top of the turret for the commander.

Like you are proving my statement, I said that the T-34 INFLUENCED which means it provided IDEAS... the germans did try and do an exact copy but they decided it was too unreliable because of that hand crank system... so they improved... but the Panther was still INFLUENCED (look up the meaning you'll be surprised) by the T-34

BlackDahliaMurder wrote:

not 42, it saw first action in 1944 during the final battles.... a very short combat time before the war ended. Even the IS-2 was first employed (1943)

Do you even read? I said somewhere between late 1942 and early 1945 which means that I did not know the exact date off the top of my head and was somewhere in that time frame... but thank you for correcting an already correct statement... you are almost as bad as InsiderTrooper...almost... at least your not confusing reality with a game  :-\

Anyway, is this thread about the T34 now?
IS-2 got nerfed in the patch, didnt it?

Last edited January 25, 2010 at 5:01 AM by jhc660

I have been playing a couple of 1 v 1s and the IS-2 seems to come out ridiculously early. 

I play PE and nothing touches it.  Hetzer rounds bounce off as do Marder rounds.  I have not lived long enough to try Panthers vs IS-2. 

It wouldn't be so bad if the tank was actually slow like a KT.  You could move around and set up flank shots where its difficult to pull it out but the tank just zips around like any other tank.

If he makes a mistake, its quickly pulls back and you can't finish the job.

I don't mind such a unit but it does seem to come out way too quick.  Especially when I am dumping a lot of resources to fight off the early game mob.

hgghg4 wrote:
No one is disputing the face that the T-34 suffered at the hand of the Tigers, but your distances are slightly off...

*sigh* what are you trying to disprove? my penetartion figures were very exact. look it up, in 1943 the F-34 tank gun (used in the T34/76) could only penetrate 62mm armor at 500m distance which is clearly not enough to penetrate any of the Tiger's armor! Tiger had 80-100mm armor on all sides. Only at 100-200m distance the F-34 could penetrate 89mm armor only with Armour-piercing (AP) munition. so yeah, once again you just failed at being a wannabe smart@$s.  :)

The Panther influenced more tanks in the world than the T34 did. you don't believe me? just an example, the first tank with a night vision device (called vampyre) was the panther Ausf. G in 1945... and guess what.... all modern tanks today have a night vision device, even the Russians.  Does that mean that all MBTs that were designed after WW2 were influenced by the Panther only because it was the first tank with this device? because that's exactly what you say.


Or another example the Panzer IV was the first tank in the world with "spaced armor" (better known as Panzerschürze) which was later adopted by the Russians called "cage armor". So does that also mean all russian tranks in 1945 were influenced by the german Panzer IV only because they now used tank skirts like the Panzer IV did first?

Last edited January 25, 2010 at 6:22 AM by BlackDahliaMurder

guys the point is that the IS2 needs its pop increased to 14 and its maximum health decreased by 5-10% to make it a balanced unit in coh. thats all.

Guys nobody cares which tank influenced which cuz none of that matters in game. This is the balance forum not the historical discussion forum.

And please stop with the idiotic assertions that no one figured out that sloped/curved armor is better than vertical armor until 1940. 

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