Mines

How do you counter mines as Russia?

SavageWorld wrote:
How do you counter mines as Russia?

lol well just a statement but I think that is funny. How do you counter mines as panzer elite? They don't have minesweepers yet they manage to get by.

SavageWorld wrote:
How do you counter mines as Russia?

Conscripts?  ;D

ford_prefect wrote:

SavageWorld wrote:
How do you counter mines as Russia?

lol well just a statement but I think that is funny. How do you counter mines as panzer elite? They don't have minesweepers yet they manage to get by.

What do you think about a kettenkrad?

I would honestly think you would run a cheap conscript into the mine to get rid of it.

The squad sizes are big enough to not get one shotted by a mine, and are probabily dirt cheap to reinforce so it seems like a logical solution to me.

now thats the russian way!

groundfire wrote:
I would honestly think you would run a cheap conscript into the mine to get rid of it.

The squad sizes are big enough to not get one shotted by a mine, and are probabily dirt cheap to reinforce so it seems like a logical solution to me.

we gotz a little Stalin! ;D

PE can detect mines if they get close enough w/ Field craft ability.

Russia will use their infantry legs to detects mines i think.

Michael wrote:
PE can detect mines if they get close enough w/ Field craft ability.

Russia will use their infantry legs to detects mines i think.

ok I like the foot idea though XD much more "exciting"

they have minesweepers cause otherwise tellermines would be wipe out half their armored force. lol they can one shot a M10 so they would certainly make anything smaller than a t-34 useless.

Last edited November 7, 2009 at 6:13 AM by XXXmaxpowerXXX

Hmm teller mines propose an interesting problem. Maybe an upgrade for conscripts (magnetic boots?  :P) that sets off teller mines?

Ok, ok, bad idea was bad, i just want to see what teller mines do to infantry

search on it on youtube... in one video it blew up 3 rifles 2 ranger squads several support weapons and 2 atgs (one which set it off) and they were quite far apart.

How about the sappers shouldent you be able to upgrade the with a mine detector like the British sappers?

Ingenery have a mine detector upgrade.

WartyX wrote:
Ingenery have a mine detector upgrade.

Ok then

Viola, problem solved

Actually, mortar/artillery saturation works well too :)
I heard something about them costing 0 munitions?! :)

Artillery fire doesn't cost anything (from any source), just has a long cool down time. The M-30 howitzer is very inaccurate though, so using it to destroy mines would be a difficult task.

I'm the type of guy who HATES to lose his troops
Even if playing russian. Only exception is zombie troops
(Medic station Volks becoming grenadier), and even then.

I'd rather mines destroy my incoming artillery shells,
than lose troops :p

I really take it to pride, when I've won with a huge lower
death rate compared to my opponent :D

hey, you said we could play soviets whicheverway we want.
ML20/ML30 firebase it is for me, then. Unless I use mine
detectors, but... ... er... Sturmovie... mine detectors...
  no way dude. :)

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... or are you saying I can't use artillery to kill mines?
(The question is not wether or not it's efficient. Only if
I am allowed to do so to save the lives of my truppen) :)
: BTW : PE Grenadier can ALL detect mines at some point.
I forgot what is needed, vet1 or something, but they all
can :) So, yea, PE has an anti minefield unit :)

British recon unit can, too.
Officers could, too, once upon a time. But I don't think
they can anymore. They do have sapper/minedetectors
(Only take those to mine bridges, personally).

Heck, I'd even prefer to ram a tank into that mine with
ready engineer to fix said tank, rather than lose troops.

... Exception...
PE AT Mine... those are bitches :p

Last edited November 8, 2009 at 3:19 AM by Loupblanc

So... you're not going to have lots of Conscripts then. Conscripts excel at dying. ;D

You can use artillery to destroy mines, it just requires a direct hit, which (using Soviet Arty) is hard to get.

- Oh, yes. On that topic. I wrote somewhere else that
conscripts should be, hm, normal health (likes volks?) just
indecisive without a leader (like british truppen). With lack
of rifle skill (as well as 1/2 rifle helping nurf)

Or are they like 1hp each to volks's individual 20 life?
(Exagerating, here. But you get what I mean) :)

... They ARE 0 pop after all.

- Could I ask that all soviet tanks have shit optics?
(Especially the ISU152. I can't imagine that tank having
good situationnal awareness, lol). Would give conscripts
something to do because of omniview. And would prevent
the 'all tank rush into enemy territory) thing :)

(God, I wish they'd thrown in random mechanical
failures for the big tanks as a malus). I hate the Pz4/37
swarm into my base tactic, grr

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:) I thought russians were not smart/educated enough
to use mine detectors ;)

(In reference to guide saying they can't pick up items, etc
NOT in reference to actual russian people on forums, or
actual 'then' soviet soldiers). Just poking fun at the in-
game pixel soviets ;)

Last edited November 8, 2009 at 3:52 AM by Loupblanc

Well they cant recrew equipment , however, you can force onto them items  :P

Shoving a minedetector kit down my engineer's throat
doesn't mean he'll know how to use it. Eh. Do they even
know how to use shovels? :) (NYET! THEY ARE GERMAN
SHOVELS, we not use them). ... fine... but... this air
was once breathed in by germans, once upon a time...
(Soviets all turn blue, holding their breath)...
... annnnndd... you guys DO have some tiny bit of
german genes within you, wouldn't that make you...
(They all stare at me with eyes bugging out, concentrate
really hard, and then blink/vanish out of existence) :)

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But... no :) I don't expect to have a lot of conscripts.
Just to the same extent I would use some initial volks.

I'm more of an HMG/Mortar/Sniper/Jeep :
ARTY/ARTY/ARTY TANK/TANK/TANK kinda guy.
Not into infantry blobs. Too easy to mess those up :D

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Sure, might be fun seeing a lot of them being blown up
but... ...
1) Those ARE human beings. don't die for your country,
make other bastard die for his country his my motto.
2) I'd be giving a mega ton of xp to my opponent...
Do I want to do that? Noooo :)
3) On topic of conscripts. 1xp is lowest, is same as
rifleman. Thus if lower life than riflemen, they're
basically free xp for the enemy :p

Which is why I was asking for their life to be higher
but to find other ways of nerfing them
(British slowness until commisar), shit accuracy until they
get commisar(On top of half rifles) etc.

I don't see them being unthusiastic about going at it
without the commisar. They got #@(*#@$ drafted.
They're essentially volkstruppen.

Last edited November 8, 2009 at 4:36 AM by Loupblanc

Loupblanc wrote:

Shoving a minedetector kit down my engineer's throat
doesn't mean he'll know how to use it. Eh. Do they even
know how to use shovels? :) (NYET! THEY ARE GERMAN
SHOVELS, we not use them). ... fine... but... this air
was once breathed in by germans, once upon a time...
(Soviets all turn blue, holding their breath)...
... annnnndd... you guys DO have some tiny bit of
german genes within you, wouldn't that make you...
(They all stare at me with eyes bugging out, concentrate
really hard, and then blink/vanish out of existence) :)

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But... no :) I don't expect to have a lot of conscripts.
Just to the same extent I would use some initial volks.

I'm more of an HMG/Mortar/Sniper/Jeep :
ARTY/ARTY/ARTY TANK/TANK/TANK kinda guy.
Not into infantry blobs. Too easy to mess those up :D

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Sure, might be fun seeing a lot of them being blown up
but... ...
1) Those ARE human beings. don't die for your country,
make other bastard die for his country his my motto.
2) I'd be giving a mega ton of xp to my opponent...
Do I want to do that? Noooo :)
3) On topic of conscripts. 1xp is lowest, is same as
rifleman. Thus if lower life than riflemen, they're
basically free xp for the enemy :p

Which is why I was asking for their life to be higher
but to find other ways of nerfing them
(British slowness until commisar), shit accuracy until they
get commisar(On top of half rifles) etc.

I don't see them being unthusiastic about going at it
without the commisar. They got #@(*#@$ drafted.
They're essentially volkstruppen.

just a question how long did it take you to write all these posts. I mean I last checked i'd say about 3 hours ago and I come back and you have wrote enough to write my college essay ;D

I type at 220wpm. Ive been working, eating, chatting
on MSN/on the phone. I can type up a storm. It's a
topic I feel strongly about, and I've been lurking for
about 2+ years saying almost nothing...

I'm also multilingual ;)

Just in rant-mode, is all, lol :)
My doctor says I have verbal diarrhea :p

Loupblanc wrote:

I type at 220wpm. Ive been working, eating, chatting
on MSN/on the phone. I can type up a storm. It's a
topic I feel strongly about, and I've been lurking for
about 2+ years saying almost nothing...

I'm also multilingual ;)

Just in rant-mode, is all, lol :)
My doctor says I have verbal diarrhea :p

I would to if I was your doctor XD

Well, thankfully, you are not my doctor ;)

And it is WRITTEN (essay) not wrote :)

Conscripts need to be weak and easy to kill.
If not, they would be Strelkys.

Do not forget: Conscripts are an 8-man-squad, according to the last info about them cost only 200 mp, have no pop cap and can be "upgunned".
Imagine a massive blob of them.
If they weren't easy to kill, a german HMG would struggle hard with them.

No, by all means, they should be the weakest unit in CoH.
Thus even one sinlge engineer squad can kill them, if cover is used correctly.

Hmmm...
sort of got a point here. But does it have to be in sheer
terms of vulnerability, or in terms of inneffectualness?
The thing is... if killing 1 of them gives 1 xp, then they
give more xp then riflemen (1 per man). And they can
hardly be 0xp per, can they?

On the other hand, they had less military training than
riflemen. Even less than volkstruppen in some cases
(which had some WW1 veterans in their core).

Could I get some numbers?. I know they wore no
body armor.

Michael wrote:
PE can detect mines if they get close enough w/ Field craft ability.

Russia will use their infantry legs to detects mines i think.

as i say before.

! Oh, hey. Thank you. My version of COH does not have that. (French) :p As well as fuel upgrades *USA* NOT saying that riflemen are getting XP bonuses (FUel upgrade 1, 2)
It's NICE to finally know how PE's get their mine detect :)
: Hmm, Ford_Prefect... stop quoting whole pages, only
adding a sentence or two at the bottom, you are doing
way worse than I could ever do. You are merely doing cut/
paste. Not adding original thought :p
: Er... ... no... no, no, no. Engineers should not eat
conscripts for lunch.

so... whats the deal?

Every single Faction can detect mines, or blow it w/ Attack Ground Command.

not need to use Arty or sacrifice Anyone

Loupblanc wrote:

! Oh, hey. Thank you. My version of COH does not have that. (French) :p As well as fuel upgrades *USA* NOT saying that riflemen are getting XP bonuses (FUel upgrade 1, 2)
It's NICE to finally know how PE's get their mine detect :)
: Hmm, Ford_Prefect... stop quoting whole pages, only
adding a sentence or two at the bottom, you are doing
way worse than I could ever do. You are merely doing cut/
paste. Not adding original thought :p
: Er... ... no... no, no, no. Engineers should not eat
conscripts for lunch.

WOW GOOD JOB DUDE YOU GOT 50 POSTS IN 2 DAYS ;D

Well, the deal is that mines aren't so powerful, really, if
you plan accordingly. They kill you if you try to rush things,
and yea, they can really ruin your day if they are run into
at the wrong moment ;)

At worse, everyone needs a vulnerability.
And, hmm, yea, it would certainly be a decent use of
conscripts, I suppose, if you enjoy seeing your own troops
die more than the opponent's :) I bow to that, really,
it's distinctive. Anything different from what has been
done before is a good thing :)

Ford Prefect : dude, you wrote 91% of the posts on
these forums :) You're the master of millions of tiny 1-2
word posts with huge quotes ;) I'm just catching up to
2 year's worth of holding my silence, give me a break here :)

Not looking to replace you, though :) I can promise you that.

"Ford Prefect : dude, you wrote 91% of the posts on
these forums  You're the master of millions of tiny 1-2
word posts with huge quotes  I'm just catching up to
2 year's worth of holding my silence, give me a break here"

A. I do not write 91% of the posts here But trust me one day you will ;D

B. my posts are not (millions of tiny 1-2
word posts with huge quotes)

C. You should rely check facts before using precentages (were not politicans lol ;D)

and D. My posts would be A LOT smaller if I could quote what you are saying so thus you are rely mocking yourself  ;D

Last edited November 9, 2009 at 5:48 AM by ford_prefect

: A) No, I won't. Hopefully, the mod will release soon,
then I'll be busy blowing stuff up. I can't wait :D
: B) From what I've seen so far, yea :) Although,
certain's that not the whole story. Rest assured. Look,
we're both outspoken, passionnate people who care
about what this mod becomes. Care to chat on MSN
so we can toss some ideas around?

We're auto-replyers. So let's spare everyone shall we? ;)

Loupblanc wrote:

: A) No, I won't. Hopefully, the mod will release soon,
then I'll be busy blowing stuff up. I can't wait :D
: B) From what I've seen so far, yea :) Although,
certain's that not the whole story. Rest assured. Look,
we're both outspoken, passionnate people who care
about what this mod becomes. Care to chat on MSN
so we can toss some ideas around?

We're auto-replyers. So let's spare everyone shall we? ;)

I dont have msn but i would be more than happy to stop fluding the fourms we could just use the "personal message"

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(From what I've seen so far, yea)

I did some research for you here are some major posters

1.) TheAllMihtyone-239 posts
2.) wartyX-972 posts
3.) Burro Diablo-825 posts
4.) Willian-618 posts
5.) Nicoamone- 117 posts
6.) vengefulnoob-445 posts
7.) Apex-1202 posts
8.) Dragon93-983 posts
9.) UeArtemin-480 posts
10.) Halftrack-152 posts
11.)lu777-134 posts (we had a good LONG chat about Finland)

sorry if i spelt any of your names wrong and if I messed a couple of ya.

so I dont think im (91%) of the posts nice try though.

Last edited November 9, 2009 at 6:04 AM by ford_prefect

Well, then GET MSN! Or else, I got Yahoo Messenger, AOL-IM, ICQ. I have IRC Chatting client as well. your pick. At worse, there's Xfire. Or, just had a flash idea. Lol, there's
the RELIC in-game chatting channels. How about we settle this like men and fight it out? ;)

Meh 'personnal messages'... like cell phone texts, evil :)

!! Erm, impossible! You don't even appear in the top runners?!! At the rate YOU post? I sense something is wrong in the force... *Eyes you suspiciously*

Hey, Long chat about Finland? I would *REALLY* like if Finnish/Hungarians could get their time in the spotlight. There are already 2 pure German factions out there.
Making a third one is eeeh. I understand the Eastern Front had unique units and is where the Panther/Tigers were born, thus the HUGE importance of Eastern Front :)... But...
Americans have 1 faction only, Soviets 1, British 1... I liked when the British had  scottish/Canadian mentions. Wish they had call-in units (Commonwealth). There won'T be a
stand-alone finnish/hungarian faction. Ostheer is last chance, and yea, it would feel right:)
Yes, DEV have last word. But... I'm pleading, yknow?
(And I am not even finnish, imagine!)

Last edited November 9, 2009 at 6:48 AM by Loupblanc

Dont worry ill take care of this.

No Fins, Hungarian, Slav, Romanian, Greek, Presbyterian and so on and so forth. Ostheer will be German and only German

(Long chat about Finland? I would *REALLY* like if Finnish/Hungarians)

sorry has been discoused about a hunderd times the devs wont give in

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(Erm, impossible! You don't even appear in the top runners?!! At the rate YOU post? I sense something is wrong in the force... *Eyes you suspiciously*)

lol I was trying to be modest.

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(Well, then GET MSN! Or else, I got Yahoo Messenger, AOL-IM, ICQ. I have IRC Chatting client as well. your pick. At worse, there's Xfire. Or, just had a flash idea. Lol, there's
the RELIC in-game chatting channels. How about we settle this like men and fight it out?)

My cp has been randomly crashing in game (fixing it when the mod comes out) also what is Xfire???? I have been tolled to get this before.... Also what is your "COH" name?

Last edited November 9, 2009 at 7:41 AM by ford_prefect

Xfire is great, its a chat program, but catered to gamers. Shows what games my friends are playing and allows me to join their servers etc.

Just for the record it was Flippis who you had the long chat about Finland with. I think I just wondered into the scuffle and told you both to increase the love haha  :P

Also, about the last page of this should be done by PM methinks

Cheers

Last edited November 9, 2009 at 2:29 PM by luz777

@Loupblanc and @ford_prefect:
Please, get both msn, icq, x-fire, whatever. But to discuss what you are going to use, please use PM instead of posting constantly in threads from the General Discussions and Suggestions sections.

It's really annoying to scroll through two entire sites of a thread to find out that there's no single post related to the main topic.

Also, I would appreciate a Mod or Admin moving all the non-topic-relating posts (including this one) into the General section of this forum. I know it's a lot of work, but if somebody has some free-time to spend....  ;D

you guys should get a room, talk too much but no action, i can't imagine you guys trying to flirt whit a woman.

Just Say you love Each Other and at the end of the day, everyone is happy

First of all I will say that it is good that Russia has the opportunity to get mine minesweepers, oterwise they would have a hard time against telle mines and mine spam. To all the sadistically Stalin wannabes, you can still run your men into the mines.  ;)
As for the questions about russian troops giving to many XP to the opponent because of the large squad number, well this is not a problem, this is how the XP system works.

You will gain experiences (xp) points when you build structures, kill or lose units during the game. Research, building regular units will not give you xp.

Build Multiplier: 0.083
Kill Multiplier: 0.055
Loss Multiplier: 0.0275

For example, a sniper cost 340 manpower, when he is killed.
340x0.055=18.7xp 19xp is gained by your opponent.
340x0.02754=9.3636xp 9xp is gained by you.

Just to clarify, the raw xp value is rewarded, only the onscreen text is rounded to the whole number.

luz777 wrote:
Just for the record it was Flippis who you had the long chat about Finland with. I think I just wondered into the scuffle and told you both to increase the love haha  :P

Also, about the last page of this should be done by PM methinks

Cheers

yeah there were alot of people at that debate (you all ganged up on me!!!!!!!!)

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(To all the sadistically Stalin wannabes, you can still run your men into the mines. :))

great thanks! ;D
I can't wait to throw 50 conscripts into a minfield to make way for the t-34's

Last edited November 10, 2009 at 12:24 AM by ford_prefect

The sad thing is, that's pretty much exactly what did happen.
Men were considered a lot more disposable than tanks...
The Soviets responded that it was warranted considering the
need for wartime expediency and the typically low battlefield   
life of their tanks. They were right, but... god damn!

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Voop_Bakon : But... ... the Presbyterians need to be in :p Wouldn't be eastern front without them being in-game. We must do something! :p

Ford_Prefect : Finns/Hungarians. TOTALLY a shame. Germans being pure in the West, I understand.  Italians were busy down south. But the EAST? The east was truly a joint action.

The two principal belligerent powers were Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. The Soviet-Finnish Continuation War may be considered the northern flank of the Eastern Front. In addition, the joint German-Finnish operations across the northernmost Finnish-Soviet border and in the Murmansk
region are also considered part of the Eastern Front.

At least, I am not asking for the finns to have their own faction :)

Call-ins would be perfect in this case.
Yes, there's nothing I like more than beating a dead horse. They don't fight back :p

Just kidding.

!!! Fix your game! So I can blow you up repeatedly for my amusement!! :)

SavageWorld:
XP Mechanics. Actually, I was worried about the gigatons of soviet conscripts giving out too
many XP to the opposing axis. Thank you much for the explanation, it is much appreciated :)

Last edited November 10, 2009 at 7:27 AM by Loupblanc

(Ford_Prefect : Finns/Hungarians. TOTALLY a shame. Germans being pure in the West, I understand.  Italians were busy down south. But the EAST? The east was truly a joint action.)

hey I wanted Romanians so don't blame me I'm not a dev. If you want to learn more about that whole "other axis country" thing look down the forum. I think it may be on pg.1 or 2 or even 3.
Don't blame me and don't start another of these debates (these can go up to 50 posts or more)

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Its on pg.2 of eastern front mod general discussion

Last edited November 10, 2009 at 1:35 PM by ford_prefect

Logic is then that is what the DEVs wanted all along ;)
Another pure German faction :) That's why they made
the soviets. Not out of interest, but so they would have
an excuse to put more germans.

Which is why they're against more finnish/hungarians.
It goes against that whole idea.

Logical, yes?

Note that quite a few of the DEVs are german :)

It is odd, though. Hmm, The west was mostly german
with a tiny bit of Italian help, Africa, the same. German
core, with a lot more (innefectual) italians. Italian campaign
also has italians of course, with the Germans being the
core.

But in the East... you had a LOT more countries helping out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Front_%28World_War_II%29

Rumania, Bulgaria, Finland, the Czhech republic, Italy, Hungaria, Slovakia (and perhaps more) Norway ! :D were
a part of the conflict. Enough pure german factions
already. USA has only 1, isn't it time to allow other
factions a peek? Although, yes. Germans should definitively
be the core of the East Front. Don't see finnish, etc
having their own faction :) But call-ins would be quite
suitable :)

Someone made a Ostheer suggestion where Army group
north would have Finnish call-ins and Army group south
would have Hungarian call-ins, for example. What is wrong
with that?

Otherwise, it gives the impression that it was the whole
world against germany, and germany alone.

Please?

Last edited November 11, 2009 at 9:02 PM by Loupblanc

I don't have any power in making this and I think the reason the devs are not responding is that it has been said 50 million times want to hear it "no" (that is a quote from a dev)