putting a light tank in the ostheer

They should put a light tank in the ostheer such as a Renault or a hotchkiss. This would be used as a fast speed tank that would be capable of taking out the t-80 or lighter Russian tanks (or the English bren gun, or the American half-tracks)

Well i'd say a Light Czech built tank would be more historically appropriate :)

Panzer III got the job.

Apex wrote:
Panzer III got the job.

http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/imgs/panzer-3-pzkpfw-iii_3.jpg this thing? Why its perfect. Great thanks! Also how many minuets into the battle would I be able to see a Panzer three?

Apex wrote:
Panzer III got the job.

"Got" the job, as in your already working on the Ostheer  :D

I'm in favour of having a PZIII in the Ostheer mix, but not as a light tank. Germans didn't have many light tanks with guns capable of easily taking out Soviet light tanks. A Marder II would be a decent choice for a lightish tank, the majority of them saw action on the Eastern Front. Crap armour, 75mm gun... balanced out in the middle if your looking for a tank that can take on the fast Soviet light tanks, but can be beat up pretty bad if engaged itself.

isn't there already a panzer three? Or is that one a panzer four?

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isn't there already a panzer three? Or is that one a panzer four?

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ford_prefect wrote:
isn't there already a panzer three? Or is that one a panzer four?

Also the Marder two was a very weak tank. It would be good but I was hopping for a Renaulnt or Hotchkiss. (the Romanians used Renaulnts I KNOW YOUR NOT ADDING THEM JUST SAYING)
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I'd quite like to see a Panzer II in there somewhere

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PzIIL.Saumur.000a4p5p.jpg

Maybe with the option to upgrade to a Flammpanzer II "Flamingo". Axis need a flametank somewhere  ;D

Good to know the Panzer III has made it in somewhere too.

Scruffs Panzer I model is also looking very nice, hell maybe have all three...

I - early game recon vehicle (granted a fair bit better than a jeep etc, but it could cost more accordingly)
II - light tank effective against weak armour and infantry
III - medium tank, fast and versatile, although not greatly armoured.

Whilst on the subject of tanks, would be very nice to see a StuG III aswell. Realisticly though, theres a lot of German stuff not in CoH yet, so it'll be what balances out best I spose.

Cheers

luz777 wrote:
I'd quite like to see a Panzer II in there somewhere

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PzIIL.Saumur.000a4p5p.jpg

Maybe with the option to upgrade to a Flammpanzer II "Flamingo". Axis need a flametank somewhere  ;D

Good to know the Panzer III has made it in somewhere too.

Scruffs Panzer I model is also looking very nice, hell maybe have all three...

I - early game recon vehicle (granted a fair bit better than a jeep etc, but it could cost more accordingly)
II - light tank effective against weak armour and infantry
III - medium tank, fast and versatile, although not greatly armoured.

Whilst on the subject of tanks, would be very nice to see a StuG III aswell. Realisticly though, theres a lot of German stuff not in CoH yet, so it'll be what balances out best I spose.

Cheers

there was a very VERY small amount of "flamingo" tanks in the war but it would be cool to see them but unrealistic.

Yeah admittedly there werent that many produced.
But that same reasoning doesnt put people off wanting a Jagdtiger in CoH does it  :P

PzKpfW. II and PzKpfW. III are IMO a must have for EF.

But please, no foreign "crap" like french and czech tanks, there were enough real german armour, so let the external tanks stay with PE.

But however, Panzer III shouldn't be available do early in game thus the Ostheer won't be OP vs. western allies.

As a medium tank it should be built as one. Possibly Ausf. J with the 50mm gun, upgrading to the Ausf. N with a 75mm gun. As for the light tank matter, a Panzer II Ausf. C would be great but not very effective against Soviet light Armour (maybe effective against Western Allied Jeeps or Bren Carriers) thats why i'm also in favour of the Marder II.

A Marder II would be more useful come to think of it.
I thought it wasn't possible to have animated crews in new open topped vehicles though?
Not that I'm doubting you guys skillz  :P

luz777 wrote:
Yeah admittedly there werent that many produced.
But that same reasoning doesnt put people off wanting a Jagdtiger in CoH does it  :P

but  with the flame half track there is no point

ford_prefect wrote:

but  with the flame half track there is no point

Thats like saying that theres no point in having Katyushas because of the Calliope  :P

luz777 wrote:

ford_prefect wrote:

but  with the flame half track there is no point

Thats like saying that theres no point in having Katyushas because of the Calliope  :P

touché my friend touché

BurroDiablo wrote:
As for the light tank matter, a Panzer II Ausf. C would be great but not very effective against Soviet light Armour (maybe effective against Western Allied Jeeps or Bren Carriers) thats why i'm also in favour of the Marder II.

I think Panzer-Spähwagen II aka PzKpfW. II Ausf. L "Luchs" would be better. It's an armored light recon vehicle armed with a MG34 and a 2cm KwK38. Fits better into the CoH-concept (Puma, M17 etc.).
Marder II should be more alongside withe the Marder I and Marder III, a tankdestroyer mentioned to take out even heavy tanks like Shermans and T34.
Therefore it would be a bit too OP in early-mid game.

Why do the Ostheer even needs a counter-part to the soviet light armor? Just make their infantry superior to all the other factions. Expensive units with upgrades and so on, thus they aren't OP in early game, but are going to become a real pain in the *** for allies in late-game.

Not really, Its worse off than a StuG, maybe even the H39 Marder I too. You maybe right about the gun though, a 75mm gun isn't necessary early on. A 47mm Panzerjager I may fit better... shit armour, resonable gun, decent range.

I was thinking of the Luchs too as an AP tank, but I would have preferred an earlier, more numerous version that we could use in the future campaign. We could probably have both tbh, Luchs could be a reward replacement or something.

For an Anti-Personnel unit I'd go with a Panzer I or II (with upgrade to "Flammingo". After using one in Men of War I'm determined that CoH needs one too haha)
The Luchs would be a nice reward unit too.

A Panzerjager I does fit the bill as an early game tank destroyer quite nicely. Just make it vulnerable to infantry too what with the fairly exposed main gun.

Also, I'd say the StuG III really does need to be in there somewhere. T2 unit.

Seems like the Ostheer vehicles are going to get the proper span from early to late war. Nice.  :)

Cheers

For all the people who do not know the tanks were talking about here

this is a Luchas tank http://www.achtungpanzer.com/images/luchs_1.jpg

and the Panzerjager http://www.afrikakorps.org/_photos/PanzerjagerI/PanzerjagerITTTPipe.jpg (cuter smaller friendlier version of the marder ;D)

BurroDiablo wrote:
Not really, Its worse off than a StuG, maybe even the H39 Marder I too. You maybe right about the gun though, a 75mm gun isn't necessary early on. A 47mm Panzerjager I may fit better... shit armour, resonable gun, decent range.

I don't think the Marder II was worse than a Marder I or III.
Look up the thickness of the armor and you'll find out that all three had around 10-20mm armor plates in front of the "turret".
They all used the 7.5cm PaK 40...
Therefore I think the Marder II should be the standard self-propelled anti-tank-gun of the Ostheer, similiar to already existing Marder I and III.
(Maybe IRL the StuG was better, but in vCoH the StuG IV is a lousy tank, therefore the StuG III, which will hopefully be part of the Ostheer, shouldn't be noticeable better.)

As for the PzKpfW. II, I've to agree with you: The Ausf. C would fit in much better, not to mention that it was the C-variant on which the Marder II was built up, thus only one modell has do be done from scratch and the other one just needs a new turret attached.

But please, no Panzerjäger I. That thingy first looks incredibly ugly and second it would be quite useless in mid-late game considering CoH focuses on heavier tanks in this stage.

Look at Lord Rommels proposal, he solved it very nicely.

Aouch wrote:

BurroDiablo wrote:
Not really, Its worse off than a StuG, maybe even the H39 Marder I too. You maybe right about the gun though, a 75mm gun isn't necessary early on. A 47mm Panzerjager I may fit better... shit armour, resonable gun, decent range.

I don't think the Marder II was worse than a Marder I or III.
Look up the thickness of the armor and you'll find out that all three had around 10-20mm armor plates in front of the "turret".
They all used the 7.5cm PaK 40...
Therefore I think the Marder II should be the standard self-propelled anti-tank-gun of the Ostheer, similiar to already existing Marder I and III.
(Maybe IRL the StuG was better, but in vCoH the StuG IV is a lousy tank, therefore the StuG III, which will hopefully be part of the Ostheer, shouldn't be noticeable better.)

As for the PzKpfW. II, I've to agree with you: The Ausf. C would fit in much better, not to mention that it was the C-variant on which the Marder II was built up, thus only one modell has do be done from scratch and the other one just needs a new turret attached.

But please, no Panzerjäger I. That thingy first looks incredibly ugly and second it would be quite useless in mid-late game considering CoH focuses on heavier tanks in this stage.

Look at Lord Rommels proposal, he solved it very nicely.

damm that must have TAKEN A LONG time

ford_prefect wrote:

Apex wrote:
Panzer III got the job.

http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/imgs/panzer-3-pzkpfw-iii_3.jpg this thing? Why its perfect. Great thanks! Also how many minuets into the battle would I be able to see a Panzer three?

Woah, check out the pea shooter on that bad boy! What is that anyways? 50mm cannon? By the sounds of it, it'll be a slightly up-armored Puma.