Infantry Only Mode

I would like to see some infantry vs infantry battles happen in EF.  The Wehrmacht ai just destroy the soviets with their unlimited resources that make them able to steamroll their opponent with their Tanks and vehicles (stugs,pumas, etc) that just easily get replaced and becomes more easily produced than killed.

Trench warfare, mortars, artillery going off, and infantry getting cut down by 1 MG position.

We're WW1 now. Sounds fun though.

Am not sure that inf only will get accepted by other devs, there is already one discussion about making one here
http://www.easternfront.org/forums/index.php?topic=8058.msg118859#msg118859

It is in my plans and one day i will make one as long as it is balanced and fun to play. Since am kinda busy lately i have a lot of started unfinished projects that need to be finished. Am always open for discussion about it.
IMO name for inf only is kinda too used in other mods i suggest that we make some new name for that mode like infantry warfare or something, also maybe some game mode with vehicles only :P.

jojorabbit wrote:
Am not sure that inf only will get accepted by other devs, there is already one discussion about making one here
http://www.easternfront.org/forums/index.php?topic=8058.msg118859#msg118859

It is in my plans and one day i will make one as long as it is balanced and fun to play. Since am kinda busy lately i have a lot of started unfinished projects that need to be finished. Am always open for discussion about it.
IMO name for inf only is kinda too used in other mods i suggest that we make some new name for that mode like infantry warfare or something, also maybe some game mode with vehicles only :P.

Vehicles only? That'd be great, I can picture an actual [EF] Kursk battle taking place.

Yeah infantry would been awesome, but then i think you Developers needs to increase Wehrmacht & Panzer Elites infantry squads sizes since they are very small vs Soviet's mass forces

saprize21 wrote:
Yeah infantry would been awesome, but then i think you Developers needs to increase Wehrmacht & Panzer Elites infantry squads sizes since they are very small vs Soviet's mass forces

It states no matter what you guys say or what, but the devs won't change anything existing in vCoH/OF/ToV unless its a bug (in other words you can't change the Wehr/PE/Brit/US faction in any other way although you can give them reward units and fix bugs they have).  Even if Wehr/PE has bigger squad sizes, it would be too powerful and very inaccurate historically, infantry battles are very balanced IMO

132 wrote:

saprize21 wrote:
Yeah infantry would been awesome, but then i think you Developers needs to increase Wehrmacht & Panzer Elites infantry squads sizes since they are very small vs Soviet's mass forces

It states no matter what you guys say or what, but the devs won't change anything existing in vCoH/OF/ToV unless its a bug (in other words you can't change the Wehr/PE/Brit/US faction in any other way although you can give them reward units and fix bugs they have).  Even if Wehr/PE has bigger squad sizes, it would be too powerful and very inaccurate historically, infantry battles are very balanced IMO

I dont understand that part.

saprize21 wrote:

132 wrote:

saprize21 wrote:
Yeah infantry would been awesome, but then i think you Developers needs to increase Wehrmacht & Panzer Elites infantry squads sizes since they are very small vs Soviet's mass forces

It states no matter what you guys say or what, but the devs won't change anything existing in vCoH/OF/ToV unless its a bug (in other words you can't change the Wehr/PE/Brit/US faction in any other way although you can give them reward units and fix bugs they have).  Even if Wehr/PE has bigger squad sizes, it would be too powerful and very inaccurate historically, infantry battles are very balanced IMO

I dont understand that part.

Actually - At the beginning of the invasion of the Soviet Union the Germans had somewhere around a million more soldiers on the frontline than the Soviets did. The scales later shifted in the Soviet's favor when it came to numbers (and then later everything changed in the Soviet's favour). CoH is a strange mix of very many periods of the war, and somewhat tries to have a good mix of all the periods, thus making smaller German squads "more historically accurate" as they were outnumbered in the long run.

A few fun facts about WW2:
At a point, the Soviets had 1 artillery gun for every 1.5 metres on the entire Eastern Front.
There were more Soviet soldiers attacking Berlin than there ever were Germans on the entire Eastern Front.

From a development perspective, wouldn't it be really hard to make a infantry only game? Some factions like the PE would be seriously hindered only having pGrens as their only non doctrinal infantry.

PGs are pretty good infantry tbh.  They are much better than  US infantry (riflemen/flame engineers) when used correctly and become more deadly with their G43 and offensive vet.  BARs/flamer squads charging?  No problem lets use slow combined with the fire grenades and that would really help vet the PGs even faster!  Of course, both OF factions would suffer really badly from snipers, PE being the worst.  But atleast they got flanking StG44 squads right?

132 wrote:
PGs are pretty good infantry tbh.  They are much better than  US infantry (riflemen/flame engineers) when used correctly and become more deadly with their G43 and offensive vet.  BARs/flamer squads charging?  No problem lets use slow combined with the fire grenades and that would really help vet the PGs even faster!  Of course, both OF factions would suffer really badly from snipers, PE being the worst.  But atleast they got flanking StG44 squads right?

Oh I like pGs, but they'll really struggle with weapons teams in general. It's like they'll be half a team without them when it's only infantry on the field. The brits can call in commandoes at least, which make a pretty fine mess of things once they get a couple lieutenants backing them up.

I was thinking about a little different infantry only mode, not like on other mods where they only remove vehicles. Like for since PE dont have sniper give them one, similar to wehr sniper. My idea was to take all infantry units from game and then each faction has 1-2 units that other factions cant have, like amer only have rifleman, but all have snipers etc so it is more balanced and you need to play more tactically.

Lets say we put all infantry from game into one hat and then each faction gets same number of different squads or other idea to make more infantry units for factions that are low in infantry like PE only PGs, give them sniper and some other 5-6 squad unit like volks. Also to make new commander trees for infantry only some kinda stupid CT stuff like all inf 10%hp or something so we can remove tank destroyer and some other that are vehicle oriented.

I was thinking about each faction has hq and only one-two buildable buildings, also for some infantry you will need to pay fuel so that fuel points don't became useless.

I did not figured out the whole idea but i will :P.

A little about vehicle only mode, i would give all vehicles capture ability, just lv would capture faster then mv and hv. Also each side will have only 1 light vehicle like jeep, motorbike or something similar, so you would need to capture points with vehicles, i need to think more about this one :P.

Any comments, critics, suggestions??

It sounds like fun! :) Give the PE buildable Fallschirmjagers as elite infantry :D It would be awesumsace.

The Luftwaffe guys would probably fill the "volksgrenadier" role quite nicely.

What about emplacements though? Would they fit in, in such a mode? Things like the flak38 would be a true beast in such a mode, probably too much.