Help to destroy IS-2s

When I kept playing as the SU I thought it was UP. Now I realize im so wrong. Sure concentrated PAK fire will destroy it but it takes a LOOOOOOOOONG time. They usually are able to back up before getting destroyed and while getting repaired by mechanics. Stugs, Panthers or any tank in that matter (Except the KT of course) is just like free Vet for the IS-2. The best way for me right now is hopefully the IS-2 goes into a mine and 5-6 Panzershreck Grens attack it and rush. I usually lose them all due to the support around it or it escaping with a margin of health. My other tactic is luring the enemy armored force into a trap with 3 AT-guns 4 Grens and 2 Panthers. That is if they are even stupid enough to attack the anti tank trap with just an IS-2 or maybe 2. (no pun intended) They will often flank me with the IS-2s and 3 Guard Squads rushes the AT-Guns and grens. The Panthers and remaining forces will be killed by the IS-2. This is not even counting the ISU-152's power and the firebase. I think my problem is making the SU players take the half of the map while my team takes the other half. Im realizing that the late game of SU is all about steamrolling enemy defenses and breaking through with the RBS and T-34/85s decent mobility/firepower for the price or brute force of arty and tank destroyers and heavy tanks.

if you play as whr vsing the soviets, you can negate the steamrolling of KV-2, IS-2 and IS-3 etc with flaks and well used defensive tactic's

Mmm yeah Flaks...but it would mean I wont get my heavy equipment. I find the Tigers/Stormtroopers necessary.

1 Panter + 1 PAK
or
1-2 PIVs 
8)

But Panther + Pak and a good IS-2 user will just simply go to the side of the AT gun and shoot at the Panther. And it will destroy it after 6 shots. The AT gun will keep repositioning and after the Panther has been dealt with, the IS-2 user will just circle strafe the Pak. Also 2 PZIVs?

Panther is faster than IS2 :)

IS-2s are probably one of the least scary units on the Russian side. Yeah they're devastating to tanks in a slugfest but their lack of speed means they're sitting ducks for Paks, Panthers, 88s, grens, pretty much anything. An IS-2 is incredibly easy to deal with if you play it right and make sure your AT supports each other. T-34s are scarier because they can exploit the smallest gaps and wreak havoc for a pretty low cost comparatively. A dead IS-2 may mean a lost game for the enemy.

I find the AT Guns and Panthers easy to destroy when Im on SU using an IS-2. I just kite the AT gun and shoot at the panther leaving me with half my health or at least 1/3 enough to circle strafe the AT-Gun. Grens with shreks is annoying but I just get my Guards or Strelky. 88 is also like the AT gun but a bit harder but you can do it. I kill IS-2 with 88s and a Panther, it removes me being in PE though.

You are playing against Comp or against real player with some micro skills ?

2 flaks used well will chew through any armour. you can still get flaks with PE but you would have to deselect the Nashorn.
personally i find the Nashorn more usefull because its mobile.

BffWithDEATH wrote:
2 flaks used well will chew through any armour. you can still get flaks with PE but you would have to deselect the Nashorn.
personally i find the Nashorn more usefull because its mobile.

and remeber it can't be decrewed by nasty snipers.

Walki wrote:

BffWithDEATH wrote:
2 flaks used well will chew through any armour. you can still get flaks with PE but you would have to deselect the Nashorn.
personally i find the Nashorn more usefull because its mobile.

and remeber it can't be decrewed by nasty snipers.

The winning vote, when against the soviets. Snipers and Molotov's become the Luftwaffe's worst enemies.

Nashorn dosent help at all. Its very fragile  :(

Wat?

Wekwekboris wrote:
Nashorn dosent help at all. Its very fragile  :(

Like the Hummel.

But considering its range, this is the epitome of tanks that should be kept at maximum distance. The Hummel too!

Hell, with good micro, the Nashorn shouldn't even get scratched. Least of all by slower tanks like the IS-2.

Last edited December 5, 2012 at 11:05 PM by MonolithicBacon

Get some Panzerschreck Grens or storms and vet them,is2 is bad vs infantry.

132 wrote:
Get some Panzerschreck Grens or storms and vet them,is2 is bad vs infantry.

This is what I do but losing 4 Gren squads is not an option. Im currently learning how to micro 2 tanks effectively and simultaneously. 2 Panthers is the best way to go. The players I fight are extremely good at tank micro. They can take down 2 of my Panthers with 1 IS-2. He can take my Nashorn and my AT guns gets killed by the guards/mortars/firebase. I have some improvment by killing IS-2s with 2 Panthers but usually I lose both.

Maybe you need blitzcrieg ability for help ?

Sounds like your enemy is using combined arms :), you should provide a replay for us to watch.

Last edited December 7, 2012 at 1:23 AM by 132

Wekwekboris wrote:
This is what I do but losing 4 Gren squads is not an option. Im currently learning how to micro 2 tanks effectively and simultaneously. 2 Panthers is the best way to go. The players I fight are extremely good at tank micro. They can take down 2 of my Panthers with 1 IS-2. He can take my Nashorn and my AT guns gets killed by the guards/mortars/firebase. I have some improvment by killing IS-2s with 2 Panthers but usually I lose both.

Don't put too much effort into microing 2 tanks at once.  IMO with tank micro, just master control grouping, and also how to backpedal if needed and it'll be enough.

With tanks (and CoH in general), its more about deciding whether to engage or not that matters most.  Think of it like a Texas Holdem game, where the good tank commanders usually decide to either fold or just go all in.  If you add in infantry with your tank charges, you got yourself a full house instead of just a pair of kings (just tanks).  Try not to do half-ass tank charges (call and then fold) too much.  When its time to show hand, if you have a stronger hand than him, you'll win 90% of the time, provided you're not a total noob with the units.

That's my own personal CoH philosophy in general.  It's important to know that what I call "Decisive Battle Doctrine" is just my own personal playstyle, and there's plenty more ways to play CoH.  I'm just trying to give some suggestions here  I never lose at the casino btw.  ;)

Last edited December 9, 2012 at 2:21 AM by Yauz

Gotten better vs my friend. Can get his IS-2s no prob. Other people though, they can still sidestep my AT defense with thier IS-2 and constantly babysit it to destroy my 2 Panthers.  >:( Mines are okay but I need to finish him off. When I detrack the IS-2 he goes Katyushas on me. Another player suprised me with 2 T-34/85s

Yauz wrote:

Wekwekboris wrote:
This is what I do but losing 4 Gren squads is not an option. Im currently learning how to micro 2 tanks effectively and simultaneously. 2 Panthers is the best way to go. The players I fight are extremely good at tank micro. They can take down 2 of my Panthers with 1 IS-2. He can take my Nashorn and my AT guns gets killed by the guards/mortars/firebase. I have some improvment by killing IS-2s with 2 Panthers but usually I lose both.

Don't put too much effort into microing 2 tanks at once.  IMO with tank micro, just master control grouping, and also how to backpedal if needed and it'll be enough.

With tanks (and CoH in general), its more about deciding whether to engage or not that matters most.  Think of it like a Texas Holdem game, where the good tank commanders usually decide to either fold or just go all in.  If you add in infantry with your tank charges, you got yourself a full house instead of just a pair of kings (just tanks).  Try not to do half-ass tank charges (call and then fold) too much.  When its time to show hand, if you have a stronger hand than him, you'll win 90% of the time, provided you're not a total noob with the units.

That's my own personal CoH philosophy in general.  It's important to know that what I call "Decisive Battle Doctrine" is just my own personal playstyle, and there's plenty more ways to play CoH.  I'm just trying to give some suggestions here  I never lose at the casino btw.  ;)

Godlike Dennis.


*cough

Huh?

What Yauz says about committing your tanks is true. Either go in or don't. If you go in a bit and back out he will know where your tanks are and they will take unnecessary damage. Reversing tanks properly is an essential skill for when you need it. Not sure if I agree about group micro though. :P

Last edited December 9, 2012 at 3:45 PM by GodlikeDennis

GodlikeDennis wrote:
Huh?

What Yauz says about committing your tanks is true. Either go in or don't. If you go in a bit and back out he will know where your tanks are and they will take unnecessary damage. Reversing tanks properly is an essential skill for when you need it. Not sure if I agree about group micro though. :P

Yea I'm not a fan of grouping tanks, increases the vulnerability that you lose one if not necessary and you lose the ability to flank.

I like to think I have decent tank micro and have a better opportunity with them than with infantry sometimes.

Used a P4 in a team game yesterday to block an escaping IS-3 :D

I'm glad the Tiger Ace got buffed (thank god it was now beast) once you get it, they counter IS2s and even the IS3 pretty well especially if you spam their 'Ace Shot' ability you can kite them even then.

132 wrote:
I'm glad the Tiger Ace got buffed (thank god it was now beast) once you get it, they counter IS2s and even the IS3 pretty well especially if you spam their 'Ace Shot' ability you can kite them even then.

Yeah, Tiger ace is good now. IS-2 is broken though. My opponents right now just makes 4 T-34/85s and kites the Tiger Ace to oblivion. 2 Sturmovie s with assault gear took down gren squads -_- Im just gonna go play Soviets. Im not really that good with Wehr  :P