ef battles

I am curious as to who would win battles

1. Sturmtruppen vs Russian guards
2. Strelky vs volks
3. Strelky vs grenadiers
4. Ingenery vs pioneers
5. T34 76m vs panzer IV
6. T34 76m vs stug
7. Strelky vs Brit tommies
8. Partisans vs grens

Last edited September 26, 2012 at 7:04 PM by 132

in EF mod or real life?

In CoH

1-guards
2-strelky
3-depends
4-depends (range, cover)
5- depends, t34 faster, p4 better armour + gun
6- t-34 will flank that stug like a joke, but if they stay still, stug
7- depends
8- partisans if grens are un-upgraded at short range.

other than that, refer to devs and better players.

All your couples has the same answer IMO:

- DEPENDS

;)

Desert_Fox wrote:
DEPENDS

This. What are the conditions? What is the range? Who has vet? Who has upgrades? Who has already taken dmg? Who got the first shot in? What type of cover does each unit have? You need to be more specific.

Bread wrote:

Desert_Fox wrote:
DEPENDS

This. What are the conditions? What is the range? Who has vet? Who has upgrades? Who has already taken dmg? Who got the first shot in? What type of cover does each unit have? You need to be more specific.

Based on vanilla units(no vet no upgrades no abilities used).  Assuming equal cover I want to know who each wins close ranged and who long range.

Then in that case this is who I believe would win:
1.Guard
2.Strelky although it depends
3.Equal
4.Equal, depends who gets first shots in, depends on range
5.Equal, Panzer IV probably win unless T-34 circles, then probably T-34
6.Equal, same situation as Panzer IV.
7.I have no idea but probably Tommies
8.Equal, depends on range

Again the fighting conditions and micro matter alot.

Instead of "Where is Maus" threads, I think this type of thread has popped up even more often than any.

Guys. Seriously. Don't try to match up units in 1v1 scenarios or ask questions on who would win out-right. These questions are difficult to answer as there are way too many dependencies involved. (Veterancy, Cover, Moving Accuracy, Upgrades, Passive Abilities, Active abilities, Doctrinal Abilities, Vehicle Cover, Penetration, Armor bonuses to infantry, rear shots, individual micro...etc etc)

When you post these matchups, you're going to get a "Depends" as your answer. Some matchups can be easy to speculate like M10 VS KT. Yay KT wins. But what if the KT hits 2 mines in a row and is immobilized without support?

This game has way too many variables to be asking what automatically always wins against what. The game doesn't always work like this.

The only two I could weigh in on is #2 and #6. Strelky are supposed to be able to defeat Volks grenadiers without veterancy or upgrades attached to either of them. I've seen Volks in superior cover beat (Charging or not) strelky. Vet Volks with MP40s also do well against Strelky because they have the passive heal.

When you're talking Tank VS Assault Gun it's silly to compare. Tanks will typically win due to circling unless the WH player went T2-T3 for support.

#7 is malarkey.

Cranialwizard wrote:
Instead of "Where is Maus" threads, I think this type of thread has popped up even more often than any.

Guys. Seriously. Don't try to match up units in 1v1 scenarios or ask questions on who would win out-right. These questions are difficult to answer as there are way too many dependencies involved. (Veterancy, Cover, Moving Accuracy, Upgrades, Passive Abilities, Active abilities, Doctrinal Abilities, Vehicle Cover, Penetration, Armor bonuses to infantry, rear shots, individual micro...etc etc)

When you post these matchups, you're going to get a "Depends" as your answer. Some matchups can be easy to speculate like M10 VS KT. Yay KT wins. But what if the KT hits 2 mines in a row and is immobilized without support?

This game has way too many variables to be asking what automatically always wins against what. The game doesn't always work like this.

The only two I could weigh in on is #2 and #6. Strelky are supposed to be able to defeat Volks grenadiers without veterancy or upgrades attached to either of them. I've seen Volks in superior cover beat (Charging or not) strelky. Vet Volks with MP40s also do well against Strelky because they have the passive heal.

When you're talking Tank VS Assault Gun it's silly to compare. Tanks will typically win due to circling unless the WH player went T2-T3 for support.

#7 is malarkey.

QFT

and +1 for the word malarkey.

Shenanigans, the lot of it.

^{I just wanted to say a silly word too.}

Cranialwizard wrote:
Instead of "Where is Maus" threads, I think this type of thread has popped up even more often than any.
#7 is malarkey.

Tommies in heavy cover with Lootinent.

Jeez the guy just asked a simple question and you guys aren't helping him at all. At least try to help him  ::). Or give him advice

Cranialwizard wrote:
Strelky are supposed to be able to defeat Volks

For example why? IMO it is because Strelky come at a later tier and thus must obviously perform better. Otherwise why would u buy them? Also they have more rifles and men and have better vet (vet 1+2 for volks is semi trash). However Grens come out around the same time Strelky do and thus both are somewhat on par with each other. Both also have similar upgrades.

And he said equal cover and no upgrades so you guys talking about a MP40 volk squad = Strelky squad doesn't help.

Last edited September 27, 2012 at 10:19 PM by Bread Fish